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    Is this a stereotype? Has anyone ever seen such an event take place?


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    some bullsh#T


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    damn some people............
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    I know it sickened me, even this woman was saying:

    Do not sin, and then to make war. Clear violations of one of the beattitudes and given her size she must have missed gluttony off her list. A walked hypocrite, and an absolute evil woman for brainwashing those poor children, makes me want to do something about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantime
    I know it sickened me, even this woman was saying:

    Do not sin, and then to make war. Clear violations of one of the beattitudes and given her size she must have missed gluttony off her list. A walked hypocrite, and an absolute evil woman for brainwashing those poor children, makes me want to do something about it.
    Her preaching is no different from "so called" Islamic militias using religion as an excuse, our descendants will be in wonder how we can be so low in 21rst century expression. To an extent religious societies aren't as enlightened as they claim to be what a FREAK SHOW!
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    After watching similar vids it makes me realize how religion could possibly be the biggest thorn on humanity.
    here'sa another moron http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwcEi...eature=related
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    I'd say the social impact on children after exposure to extreme religious beliefs. Possibly the closest would be:

    The scientific study behind psychopathological oriented religious extremism induced child abuse. The study behind the causes of such cases in where children are exposed to dangerous psychological influences and indirect abuse of that child's belief systems and personal freedoms which then inturn have an adverse affect on the child, causing social and psychological struggles as the child matures and enters adulthood.

    With the most probable outcome either becoming what they were exposed to, or having social phobias or worse, developing psychosis.


    I wanted to share this video as I was curious as to if people have actually seen this kind of event in real life, and can shed some light on what causes these people to have such events in where children are exposed to such psychological abuse. Also if one has experienced being on either end of the spectrum of the video. If one wishes to see the scientific angle then please take the first three paragraphs of my post.
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    Yea... I couldn't watch the whole thing.
    Science? How about chemistry, the chemistry involved in the explosive vest that one of those children might wear into a Planned Parenthood clinic when they go off to "Die for Jesus" as they were indoctrinated to.
    A sane adult would remind children that Harry Potter is, after all, just a story. And not reinforce a theory of literal sorcery with the admonition that "All sorcerers must die!".
    Growing up, I was exposed to American Christianity, Quaker actually, and I never heard no crazy talk like that. I remember my grandfather saying that he went to a service once where the people spoke in tongues, and he said "I don't think those people were normal".
    I hope that video clip doesn't portray the norm for religion in America, the little I watched is straight inexcusable insanity.
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    My link shows more scary stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiguelSR1
    My link shows more scary stuff.
    I don't know, none of the children were crying in your link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil
    Quote Originally Posted by MiguelSR1
    My link shows more scary stuff.
    I don't know, none of the children were crying in your link.
    I know, what the dude says sounds scary when taught to 5 year olds.
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    Something similar happens to millions of children and their parents in the US every week as part of regular services.
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    Something similar happens to millions of children and their parents in the US every week as part of regular services.
    I wouldn't say millions...

    Maybe not even a million. Who knows? Only certain religions and sects practice these kinds of things.

    Anyway, on the "science", in my uneducated opinion, it is something of a mass hysteria. You get a sense of belonging and community and a part in something more, just to the extreme.

    Also, although in my short existence I haven't experienced anything close to brainwashing, in St. Peters at the end of the Easter vigil everyone was shouting and clapping for the converts and the pope. Some nuns were screaming "papa" , and a bunch of women got up on chairs etc, and there was a slight feeling of hysteria/that shiver-down-your-spine, for the reasons (I think) mentioned above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    Only certain religions and sects practice these kinds of things.
    You might be surprised. Perhaps not at the extreme levels shown in the video, but as I noted above, often simple medical care is withheld due to beliefs or preferences for faith healing. It has been an exception which generally protects these abusive parents from charges due solely to their "religious freedom." In fact, it's so common that the state of Oregon recently passed a law on this front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    Something similar happens to millions of children and their parents in the US every week as part of regular services.
    I wouldn't say millions...
    You're right, I should have said tens of millions. Seriously I've seen similar levels of craziness in my own former Catholic church and while attending various Baptist and other Protestant services from time to time over the course of my military career. It was much the same in Iraq except it was Islamic. Many of us don't realize or recognize the nuttiness in our own churches but readily see it in another's church. Religious services use the whole arsenal of emotionalism as ties to bind their own communities--what's happening in the vid only looks crazy if you're not a member.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inow
    often simple medical care is withheld due to beliefs or preferences for faith healing. It has been an exception which generally protects these abusive parents from charges due solely to their "religious freedom." In fact, it's so common that the state of Oregon recently passed a law on this front.

    http://www.registerguard.com/web/new...faith.html.csp
    Lol, Harold will love that. America follows China's lead (see Falun Gong).

    I think these Christian faith healers should appeal to the Chinese government for support. Then China could threaten sanctions for human rights abuses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    Lol, Harold will love that. America follows China's lead (see Falun Gong).
    Can you clarify your position? Are you saying it's funny that these children suffer and die unnecessarily, and that the US is behaving like some distorted myopic version you have in your mind of communist china for trying to prevent it? I am unsure how to interpret your response. Please elaborate.



    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/21/us/21faith.html?_r=1
    Kara Neumann, 11, had grown so weak that she could not walk or speak. Her parents, who believe that God alone has the ability to heal the sick, prayed for her recovery but did not take her to a doctor.

    After an aunt from California called the sheriff’s department here, frantically pleading that the sick child be rescued, an ambulance arrived at the Neumann’s rural home on the outskirts of Wausau and rushed Kara to the hospital. She was pronounced dead on arrival.

    The county coroner ruled that she had died from diabetic ketoacidosis resulting from undiagnosed and untreated juvenile diabetes. The condition occurs when the body fails to produce insulin, which leads to severe dehydration and impairment of muscle, lung and heart function.

    <...>

    About a month after Kara’s death last March, the Marathon County state attorney, Jill Falstad, brought charges of reckless endangerment against her parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann. Despite the Neumanns’ claim that the charges violated their constitutional right to religious freedom, Judge Vincent Howard of Marathon County Circuit Court ordered Ms. Neumann to stand trial on May 14, and Mr. Neumann on June 23. If convicted, each faces up to 25 years in prison.

    “The free exercise clause of the First Amendment protects religious belief,” the judge wrote in his ruling, “but not necessarily conduct.”

    Wisconsin law, he noted, exempts a parent or guardian who treats a child with only prayer from being criminally charged with neglecting child welfare laws, but only “as long as a condition is not life threatening.” Kara’s parents, Judge Howard wrote, “were very well aware of her deteriorating medical condition.”


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    It’s chilling: this report in the January 20 New York Times details the death of an 11-year-old girl, Kara Neumann, who died from diabetes because her parents refused medical care, believing that prayer would heal her. They are going on trial next week.

    But what is even more chilling are these two facts (verbatim from the article):
    1. About 300 children have died in the United States in the last 25 years after medical care was withheld on religious grounds, said Rita Swan, executive director of Children’s Health Care Is a Legal Duty, a group based in Iowa that advocates punishment for parents who do not seek medical help when their children need it.

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      Criminal codes in 30 states, including Wisconsin, provide some form of protection for practitioners of faith healing in cases of child neglect and other matters, protection that Ms. Swan’s group opposes. (See Wendell’s comment below for an explanation of how this works in Tennessee.)

    I’m not sure exactly what “forms of protection” are involved here, but any protection is too much. So it’s ok to kill your kid by withholding treatment, but not through more intentional abuse? One child dead is too many; three hundred is a national tragedy. (The Times describes several other horrifying cases.) This would not have happened in a secular society, for there would be no reason to withhold medical care.

    http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle.../44568447.html
    Daniel Hauser has what doctors consider one of the most curable types of cancer, Hodgkin's lymphoma.

    But the 13-year-old from Sleepy Eye, Minn. and his parents don't want him to have chemotherapy and radiation, the standard treatments. For the past three months, they have ignored the advice of his cancer specialists and turned to natural therapies, such as herbs and vitamins, instead.

    Now they are going to court to defend their decision.

    <...>

    Daniel, one of eight children, has asserted that treatment would violate his religious beliefs. The teenager filed an affidavit saying that he is a medicine man and church elder in the Nemenhah, an American Indian religious organization that his parents joined 18 years ago (though they don't claim to be Indians).

    "I am opposed to chemotherapy because it is self-destructive and poisonous," he told the court. "I want to live a virtuous life, in the eyes of my creator, not just a long life." He also filed a "spiritual path declaration" that said: "I am a medicine man. Some times we teach, and some times we perform. Now, I am doing both. I will lead by example."

    http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey...640.xml&coll=1
    Over three months in 2006, as her five children grew more emaciated and listless by the day, Estelle Walker made no move to find a job, no effort to scrounge up a meal, her kids told a jury yesterday.

    "We were supposed to wait for God to provide," said Walker's oldest daughter, now 21. "And that's what we did."

    At one point, the daughter said, she and her siblings went 11 days without food. When police were at last summoned to the Sussex County cabin by neighbors, investigators found the children so malnourished they had difficulty talking.

    <...>

    The invocation of God has been a theme throughout the trial's first three days. Before the jury entered the courtroom yesterday, public defender Ronald Nicola told Judge N. Peter Conforti that Walker had been refusing to take an active role in her defense.

    "She says, "God is my defense,' Nicola told the judge.

    Let me also make it clear here... I want people to bear responsibility for their actions, not their beliefs. Would people like this still exist if there were no religion? Sure. Would they have such an easy justification and rationale for letting their children get so sick and death ridden if there were not these religious wishy-washy "faith is a strength, not a weakness" beliefs to which so many people cling so profoundly? I should like to think not.

    Religion makes it far too easy to justify and rationalize such unreasonable acts. I would even argue that... despite the fact that stupid people will always exist... we'd likely see far fewer of these types of preventable issues if religion were not around making them think it was okay to act in the manner they do. Without religion, the justification/rationalization would have to be found elsewhere, and those rationalizations found elsewhere would not carry with them the weight of society's acceptance, support, and encouragement.



    Anyway, more on the thread topic here:

    http://www.yoism.org/?q=node/235
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X043xVrQBr8




    But wait... There's more... 13 Creepiest Christian education videos for kids: http://www.ranker.com/list/the-13-cr...rtby=&sortdir=
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    Can you imagine if an islam version of this video was released a good number of Christians would cry foul and demand intervention.
    just wondering
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox
    Religious services use the whole arsenal of emotionalism as ties to bind their own communities--what's happening in the vid only looks crazy if you're not a member.
    The stuff in the video is nothing I didn't see growing up. A little bit more "reverent", and less excited, but the same basic idea. I agree with Lynx. It's just a way to emotionalize the religious experience. They tap pretty much any heart string you have.

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    often simple medical care is withheld due to beliefs or preferences for faith healing. It has been an exception which generally protects these abusive parents from charges due solely to their "religious freedom." In fact, it's so common that the state of Oregon recently passed a law on this front.

    http://www.registerguard.com/web/new...faith.html.csp
    Lol, Harold will love that. America follows China's lead (see Falun Gong).

    I think these Christian faith healers should appeal to the Chinese government for support. Then China could threaten sanctions for human rights abuses.
    Front page news yesterday in the Oregonian (I'll type it from my copy I have here)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kojax's Copy of The Oregonian June 8, 2011

    Verdict Stuns Parents who Withheld Care

    OREGON CITY- A Clackamas County jury spent one hour deliberating Tuesday before unanimously finding an Oregon City couple guilty of felony criminal mistreatment for treating their infant daughter with faith healing rather than taking her to a doctor.

    Timothy and Rebecca Wyland face up to five years in prison but are likely to receive probation and possibly some time in jail. They will be sentenced Jun 24.
    The daughter had a growth over her left eye that would have lead to blindness or the loss of that eye if she hadn't been taken into custody by the state.

    ...

    The case is the latest involving members of Oregon City's Followers of Christ Church, which considers medical treatment a rejection of religious faith. The Wylands are the third church couple to be prosecuted over the past two years for failing to provide medical treatment to their children. In two previous cases, the children died. In the Wyland case, 18 month old Alayna has improved under court-ordered medical care.

    The swift and unanimous verdict stunned the Wylands, their attorneys and about 20 church members in attendance.
    My perspective is that I think Alayna should be allowed to grow to the age of 18 with all her body parts intact and then decide if she wants to be reliant on faith healing for the rest of her life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inow
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    Lol, Harold will love that. America follows China's lead (see Falun Gong).
    Can you clarify your position? Are you saying it's funny that these children suffer and die unnecessarily, and that the US is behaving like some distorted myopic version you have in your mind of communist china for trying to prevent it? I am unsure how to interpret your response. Please elaborate.
    My position is nonpartisan. Governments of China and the USA have this problem where they're required by their own laws to protect public health and welfare, and religious freedom... then faith-healing cults tell grandma she may quit her heart medication and be well again if she does these ritual prayers or exercises. Puts governments in a painful situation.

    Foreign partisans love it, because either way the government simply appears to be wronging its own citizens.

    I singled out Harold because I guess (being partisan) he'd enjoyed China's anguish over the Falun Gong problem. Now his own government has the same (albeit smaller) dilemma, and chooses the same path.
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