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    If we start to examine the basic views of the New Age movement and the Oriental religions, it is good to start from reincarnation. This doctrine is namely in the background of almost all teachings of the New age movement and it is also the basic belief of the Oriental religions like Hinduism and Buddhism. About its commonness has been estimated, that about 25 % of people in the western countries believes in it, but in India and other countries of Asia, where the origin of this doctrine are, the percentage is naturally much bigger. Mainly in India and other countries of Asia they have taught this doctrine already for at least 2000 years, and obviously it was accepted generally about 300 years before Christ, not just before Him.

    When it is a question of reincarnation, it in any case is based on the fact, that our life is believed to be a continuous circulation so that each person is born on the earth again and again and again, and gets a new incarnation always according to how he has lived in his former life. All bad things that happen to us today are only the result of earlier events, and we must now reap what we have sown earlier. Only if we experience enlightenment and at the same time are freed from the circulation and achieve moksha, this circulation does not continue eternally. (However, in the western view achieving moksha is not very important. Instead, in the western world reincarnation is seen in positive light, mainly as a possibility to develop and grow spiritually. It doesn't have the similar negative nuance to it.)

    But what can we think about reincarnation; is it really true or not, and is it worth believing in? We try answer this in this article.


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    Is it true?

    No.

    Just because a great number of people "believe" in something does not give it any discernable merit.
    Most people in the US believe that we live in a democracy. Does that make it true?
    Nope.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CaveatLector
    Is it true?

    No.

    Just because a great number of people "believe" in something does not give it any discernable merit.
    Most people in the US believe that we live in a democracy. Does that make it true?
    Nope.
    You answered very cleaverly and wisely
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    Also what possibly reason would there be for reincarnation???
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    CaveatLector ure right, exept that oof americans, they might not have the ebst democrazy there is but its still a democrazy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    CaveatLector ure right, exept that oof americans, they might not have the ebst democrazy there is but its still a democrazy
    You misunderstand my point, which, to be honest, was part of my intention.

    America is NOT a democracy. A democracy, in its original form, defines majority rule/Mob rule. America is a nation of LAW, under a constitutional republic.
    I love my country, but you must admit that collective apathy runs rampant concerning basic terms describing this country's current or historical events and definitions. We live in a society of glorified ignorance; more correctly, we live in a world of glorified stupidity (ignorance can be fixed).
    Take a holiday for example.
    Why else would we still celebrate Columbus Day in the US? Columbus was a murdering lout. We should light his tomb on fire and, as a nation, refuse to urinate on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaveatLector
    Why else would we still celebrate Columbus Day in the US? Columbus was a murdering lout. We should light his tomb on fire and, as a nation, refuse to urinate on it.
    On top of which (your comments, not his tomb) he didn't discover America: he never saw the mainland; the Vikings, possibly the Chinese, may be the Celts, and even perhaps the Phoenecians had all been there first. (Not to mention the multiple waves of people who are now called Native Americans.)

    Now I've forgottent the original question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by CaveatLector
    Why else would we still celebrate Columbus Day in the US? Columbus was a murdering lout. We should light his tomb on fire and, as a nation, refuse to urinate on it.
    On top of which (your comments, not his tomb) he didn't discover America: he never saw the mainland; the Vikings, possibly the Chinese, may be the Celts, and even perhaps the Phoenecians had all been there first. (Not to mention the multiple waves of people who are now called Native Americans.)

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    Precisely.
    This should be common knowledge. The fact that he had the additional attribute of being a genocidal maniac is a long way off from reaching mainstream America.

    Nearly ever holiday in America is a frelling LIE.

    Now I've forgottent the original question
    So have I, but my faith reassures me that there wasn't one to begin with, so we're safe I think.
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    First I would ask PetriFB why he has repeated the same post at the start of a new thread instead of simply adding to the old thread. Are you trying to get discussion here or just shove your message down people's throat. Anyway here is my post again, to give you another chance to respond to it.

    In my simplest and most straightforward subjective consideration of reincarnation, I am simply inclined to say that it does not agree with my experience of reality. From a more objective perspective, I must think about what reincarnation really means. This sounds like a new baby is born into the world and some old spirit with "karma" (which sounds to me like the burden of its own sins) attaches itself to this baby to influence its choices and fate.

    At worst (complete domination by this spirit), this sounds like possession, and as a religious doctrine it sounds like (from the Christian point of view) the practice and promise of demons. Although from the Buddhist perspective it is not so much a promise as a hopeless cycle that one should try to escape, and I could not agee more. I cannot see what the point of such endless repetition would be. The idea of old spirits in newborn babies not only disgusts me but crushes all hope one could feel for a new generation. I think that it is one of the blessings of death that human evil must eventually die.

    In a milder (less intrusive) form it sounds like the doctrine of the moonies which believes that the spirits of ones ancestors come to their living descendents in the hope of redeeming themselves in the influence they can bring to bear on them. Thus the moonies try to link Christian doctrine, reincarnation and the kind eastern spiritualism that blames many chronic illnesses on the burden and influence of less wholesome ancestors. There is some similarities with another kind "new age" belief or spiritualism (e.g. encountered in "Seth Speaks") where spirits form groups of some sort. In other words, the spirit of the baby does develop it own unique identity but is attached to and influenced by a group of older spirits representing past life times.

    This milder form of reincarnation sounds more reasonable to some degree although I have no experience that validates it for me. I believe in taking responsibility for my own choices and not in finding excuses in some imagined spritual influences. I believe in accepting the experiences of life (good and bad) as a gift from God to learn and grow from and not looking for magical or spritual cures. But this is my approach to life and I have no inclination toward making other people see or live their life in the same way. So I don't feel a great deal of skepticism about the possibility of this type of spiritual activity, but I also don't believe in pursuing this possibility in my own life.
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    i concure on taht its stupidity and ignorance. But still there is somekinda democrazy in taht country and i still say its better than nothing
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    No democracy.

    Constitutional Republic.

    Democracy is majority rule, which is dangerous, lawless, and primative.
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    Back to the original question.

    My understanding of quantum physics is that our entire reality is based on randomness. If this were true we would not exist. But then there is the fact that through observation we create order and our reality is simply based on our perception of it. The point of this is: is it possible we have in fact created our science. Meaning is it possible that, while we think we are discovering how our world works through science, we are acctualy creating a science to explain what we already know at some unconcious level about our world.

    As far as i can tell reincarnation is as possible as opening a door or going for a jog, and in many ways it even makes alot of sense.
    Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only realize the truth. There is no spoon. Then you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself. -Spoon Boy
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    Reincarnation is the perfect example of religious wishfull thinking. Sure I'd like to live another time, so why not believe I will? Makes dying a lot easier.

    Anyway, how is this reincarnation supposed to work? Does god simply insert your "soul" into a new egg when it gets hit by a sperm cell? Wouldn't you get enormous waiting lines, when population growth slows down? Just calculate how many people have lived in the past (including those who didn't survive infancy), how are they all supposed to get a new body?
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