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    4000 BC. It is a time of man like all others but behold now there is great shared knowledge of the Goddess. For there was God and the Goddess.

    Later her name will be know as Athena and she is the Goddess of civilization. She is a great virgin mother. She is strong, compassionate, and wise. She comes to people in many ways but never as Athena. For to bare witness to a god of such magnitude would surely be too much for the human mind. Instead she comes in the forms of creatures and in the shape of other humans. She is among many gods of humans but they are not the only gods.

    For there are many gods among mankind but all the gods are gods no less. To be worshiped and loved and feared. For to anger them was to summon wrath. So that no human ever wage war in their names. No human ever use their names in vain. For they were the gods. A terrible and wicked furry was laid upon any humans who might use the name of the gods to smite thee. They were sacred and even though not all humans used the same names.. as people met they would listen to the stories of your gods and try to figure out which one of their gods you were referring to. If they couldn't relate that god.. than you had introduced them to a new god. Which was a rare event as there have always been several gods.

    But never the less.. there was no war to be had in the name of any god. For history had shown, or rather fable, that the gods would be angry if you went to war in their names. That if you were not true in your intention.. they would punish you. An example of this.. is Troy. After Troy fell a woman runs to Athena's "temple" but she is dragged away. Athena and her temple are sacred and to defile anyone in anyway in her temple.. was to provoke a terrible wrath. Athena goes to Poseidon and ordered the destruction of the Greek as they were at see and so it was. The Greeks died.. thousands of them lost and those who survived knew why. They had all know what they did was a sin against Athena.

    Later in history, we have the Romans. The Romans, eventually, believe themselves to be the supreme race that will lead all other races. They maintained the Gods of Greece under new name and for 1000s of human years.. no holy war has happened.

    Then comes the Jews and their "1 god above all others" theory. Even the Jews acknowledge the Greek gods but the Jews believe their god is the one true god. That has no real affect on the Romans. Each culture they have harvested had their own gods. It is true of the Earth that there are many gods and it is better not to anger the gods for they will smite you. The gods, like humans, were capable of terrible wrath but also mercy and compassion. They had many human attributes of nobility.

    Then come the Christians. The Christians declare there to only be one true od. That all other gods are hereby considered "pagan". The Jews are deeply offended. Not only them but also the Muslims are also offended. For they have some of the same characters in their Koran that the Bible possesses. Not only that but the Christians, openly defy, the gods of Rome. Nero, Caesar of Rome, and a rather vial man himself, decides to punish the Christians and holocausts them for defy the natural order of man.

    But the Christians, are a religion of vikings and as time progresses Christianity begins spreading among the Anglo and Euros. Christianity takes a step most other faiths would never do. Christianity.. declares war on all other religions. In mans history it was common to war but never in the name of a god. The Christians declared all wars in the name of the Jewish god. This caused religious wars. Suddenly the Christians were sweeping through the known world, wiping out all text of other religions. Just as Hitler destroyed all conflicting knowledge.. so did the Christians. They declared all other faiths PAGAN! A derogatory word Christians use to negatively label anything that is not Christianity and conflicts with such.

    The Christian wrath was terrible. Most of European history, which was held through their gods, was destroyed. The Christians roamed the Earth, destroying all other faiths in an attempt to control the world. But the Christians were not unchallenged. For the Muslims would not submit to their devilish ways. The Muslims knew that the Christians were not a true faith. They were a mixture of the Muslim faith and Roman faith and Jewish faith. The Muslims would fight and never lose this war. Even long after the fall of Rome.. their gods remained.

    The Christians eventually gained enough power to make war on this world. But still.. they could not win their crusades against the Muslims. For even the Christian God would never allow the destruction of his own Bible and people and even though they fought one another.. both the Muslims and Christians shared a common faith.. Other faiths, like the Mayans faith, weren't so lucky. Most faiths were completely wiped out. For others only fragments remain. But the sad thing is.. these faiths were not just faiths but also represented the cultures of the world and their history. All that wisdom and knowledge.. is lost.

    All cultures of man are the same. In all conditions.. humans always end up dividing into different classes and social structures. From 4000BC to 2010AD we have not changed. Our technology and ability to destroy has evolved but our compassion is no more than it was 6000 years ago.

    To this day the Christians still fight to unite the world under their one faith. To this day the Christians still seek to destroy all other faiths. So the Muslims fight as the Norse gods fought.. a hopeless battle to preserve their way of life and as the Norse gods know.. so do the Muslims... that their destruction is inevitable. That one day they will fall under the feet of their enemies. But still, with great valor, they fight a losing battle. The gods and heroes of Norse mythology knew one day a battle would come that they could not win. Just as the Muslims now see that a night will come where no day will follow.

    But they stand and fight. Not for money.. not for greed.. they fight to preserve their faith. Their way of life against an enemy who will one day kill them all. But even with that knowledge.. they stand their ground.. never defeated.. never beaten.

    Sadly no matter the mythology I read.. I don't really see any good gods that would want mankind to destroy itself as it is. The gods have truly abandoned not you.. but your way of life.


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    Actually, the propensity for genocide seems to effect a variety of groups regardless of religious affiliation.

    I think the Japanese were quite good at this in the early part of the 20th Century.

    To try to pin this on a particular ideology that is different from yours is probably part of the mentality of dehumanizing another group that is a symptom of whatever drives one group to kill another.

    Hopefully we will figure it out before we exterminate each other.


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    What kind of idocy is the OP on this thread?

    Catalyst puts his own flame out by this:

    Later in history, we have the Romans. The Romans, eventually, believe themselves to be the supreme race that will lead all other races. They maintained the Gods of Greece under new name and for 1000s of human years.. no holy war has happened.
    First of all, the Roman Republic and Roman Empire combine to survive just barely one thousand years, not "1000s." I am unaware any any information that says the Romans adopted Greek Gods merely by renaming them. While the two civilizations and many similar Gods, they also had many different God and even the Gods they had in common often had different attributes.

    Then Catalyst catastrophically castrates himself with this:

    Then comes the Jews and their "1 god above all others" theory. Even the Jews acknowledge the Greek gods but the Jews believe their god is the one true god. That has no real affect on the Romans.
    Uhhh, know you not that the Jews were a semitic people who existed long before any form of Roman government existed? The Roman Republic seems to have formed perhaps 500 or so BC. Jews were around some 4,000 years BC.

    And then:

    The Christians declare there to only be one true od. That all other gods are hereby considered "pagan". The Jews are deeply offended.
    Well, actually, both Jews and Christians had the same God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who is sometimes referred to as Yahweh or Jehovah. Jews were not offended by the fact that the Christians had one God, but by the fact that Christians claimed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah and that one had to know Jesus in order to know God.

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    But the Christians, are a religion of vikings and as time progresses Christianity begins spreading among the Anglo and Euros. Christianity takes a step most other faiths would never do. Christianity.. declares war on all other religions.
    I have no idea where you are getting that load of BS from. Christians were not Vikings. Vikings practices a vastly different Norse religion. Perhaps you could tell us what "war" on what other religion was declared by Christianity.

    Actually, it is today atheists such as Richard Dawkins and his minions who have delcared war on all religions. And, as the world goes down today, the only religion which has declared war on others is Islam whose followers do such things as blow up airplanes and trains with innocent men, women and children aboard or fly airplanes into skyscrapers to show their disrespect for those who believe differently from Islam, no matter what they believe.

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    The Christians declared all wars in the name of the Jewish god. This caused religious wars. Suddenly the Christians were sweeping through the known world, wiping out all text of other religions. Just as Hitler destroyed all conflicting knowledge.. so did the Christians. They declared all other faiths PAGAN! A derogatory word Christians use to negatively label anything that is not Christianity and conflicts with such.
    Well, here again Catalyst has access to a different history book than the rest of us have. You would need to cite some instances of when Christians destroyed the literature of knowledge of some other civilization.

    The final four or five paragraphs indicate the Muslim teaching to which Catalyst has fallen prey. If the word Islam were substituted for Christianity and the word Muslim for Christian throughout this section of the post, we would have a more accurate picture of the religious intolerance that Catalyst attempts to describe.

    That is one of the problems with the internet. Stupid people like this are allowed to spread their ignorance and intolerance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    What kind of idocy is the OP on this thread?
    It could, perhaps, be the reason why no one of any rational bent bothered to reply. Then you had to go and ruin it :-)
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    Oops! The first of the post was so insidious and pernisious that I started writing and by the time I got to the end I found he was just some Muslim (perhaps terrorist material) radical, I hated to waste my eloquent prose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    Oops! The first of the post was so insidious and pernisious that I started writing and by the time I got to the end I found he was just some Muslim (perhaps terrorist material) radical, I hated to waste my eloquent prose.
    LOL...

    I don't think he's Muslim. Or stupid. I think its just a young person trying to sort it all out.
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    Just two points I have an issue with Dayton:

    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    The Roman Republic seems to have formed perhaps 500 or so BC. Jews were around some 4,000 years BC.
    Are you positive The Jewish faith has been around since 4,000 BC? I could swear the oldest copy of Genesis we have knowledge of is dated to around 1600 BC. Isn't the Jewish faith based on the teachings of the old testament and the Torah, which aren't older than 2,000 BC each (I don't know where the Torah falls).

    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    Actually, it is today atheists such as Richard Dawkins and his minions who have delcared war on all religions. And, as the world goes down today, the only religion which has declared war on others is Islam whose followers do such things as blow up airplanes and trains with innocent men, women and children aboard or fly airplanes into skyscrapers to show their disrespect for those who believe differently from Islam, no matter what they believe.
    While I don't disagree with your assessment of Dawkins, I do disagree with your assessments of Islam as a faith. Never, has Islam declared war on any religion, civilization, or other entity. It is extremist practitioners of the religion that declare war in the name of their faith, in disagreement with the majority of practitioners of the Faith, and the same can be said of certain moments in Christian history, along with virtually every other society
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    Arcane said:

    I do disagree with your assessments of Islam as a faith. Never, has Islam declared war on any religion, civilization, or other entity. It is extremist practitioners of the religion that declare war in the name of their faith, in disagreement with the majority of practitioners of the Faith, and the same can be said of certain moments in Christian history, along with virtually every other society
    Well, when "the majority of current Islam practitioners" become more active at repudiating the actions of the minority extremists I will be more inclined to think of them as a peaceloving people. Implicit silence seems to amout to little more than tacit approval.

    No one responded to the OP of this thread falsely claiming Christian genocide and Skinwalker said it was because the regular posters were "smarter" than that. Or was it because they are afraid to respond to radical Muslims who distort the truth.

    I concede you are correct in your claim that many other religions and societies have been cowed others submission by an extremist minority whether you are thinking of Hitler or the suppressive communist regimes of Stalin and Mao. But you say it as though the current Muslim terrorist groups are justified by the past actions of others. However, we cannot correct the past, we can only work with the here and now at which time Christians are not murdering and terrorizing others. Well, unless you think that evangelization relating to impending judgment is terrorism on the level of 9-11.

    Yet, Christians seem to come under the greatest criticism here while the discrimination against and the slaughter of 1,000s of Christians in Darfor and other places has been virtually ignored and no one seems all that concerned about the threat of the supressive sexist and intolerant world of Islam. I am sort of aware of Muslim "law" on homosexuality and gay marriage and a claim of tolerance, but it is my understanding that social repercussion in strict Muslim societies is far more harsh that the law itself.

    I am not here to say that Christianity has been without it's faults, but I can say that few of us would be able to say publicly in a Muslim world what we say with impunity in our free Western civilization which is a direct result of Christian influence. I don't mind that atheists do not believe there is a God, but it would not hurt if they were a little more cognizant of the current threat to their lifestyles and freedoms. Do you really think you could go to a Muslim country and profess your disbelief from the rooftops?

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    Oops on me. Arcane is approximately correct in his estimation as to how long Judaism has been around. Most Bibles date the giving of the 10 Commandment at around 1500 BC although some think scholars have the date of the Exodus perhaps 200 years later than it took place. That would make inow's date of some 1600 years smack dab in the middle of the range.
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    I'm not condoning, but neither am I condemning. I personally don't believe that any group that professes to do an action, of any kind, in the name of any deity is actually doing the action for their deity. I don't believe it is their faith that causes the Islamic extremists to terrorize the world, I believe it is their hatred of the west and of what's different. Likewise with all such groups throughout history. I don't believe the Christian Crusades were done, honestly, in the name of the lord, but rather in the name of power and hatred of the differing opinions of those they sought to confront.

    Terrorist groups are the same as the mainstream conqueror, just to a different degree. Terrorists only wish to incite fear, and not go the extra step and take power. They do essentially the same things, just on a different level. Conquerors will go in and dominate a region by destroying it's army/capitol, and then capturing control while it's not set in stone. Terrorist kill civilians and those not related to the control of the society for the purpose of inciting fear in the remaining members in the society.

    Religion serves as self-justification and nothing more, don't fool yourself into thinking that the people behind the terrorism ACTUALLY believe that they are killing for their god. The suicide bomber likely does believe it's for his religion and his god, but the one's who told him to go and blow his ass to hell, definitely did not.
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    Arcane, I just don't know that we can fully understand the motives of people who claim to act in the name of a religion, especially when someone does something so stupid as a suicide act that takes the life of innocent people. Often there are multiple motivations involved.

    I have no idea what self serving interest is being fulfilled in terrorist acts. It is difficult to suspect that the terrorist in the 9-11 attack had any other motive than to strike out in the name of Allah and the hatred they had developed for the politics, morality and religion of the West. Perhaps they did not actually represent the wishes of all of Islam, but that appears to have been their motives.

    While you do not say it directly, there are political and moral aspects of their motivation, too. However, it is the religious leaders who seem to foment this unrest and convince these people that it is in the best interests of Allah and Islam that they undertake these actions

    Christian nutcakes who bomb abortion clinics or murder abortionist do not represent the community thinking of Christians, but they do think they are doing something in the name of God. So I do agree that these kinds of actions do not represent the totality of the thinking within a specific religion.

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    Terrorists only wish to incite fear, and not go the extra step and take power.
    Maybe not directly, when they understand they will not be around after a suicide mission, but is the direct intent of those egging them on for Islam to control the world by whatever means they can employ. Islam conquered the entirety of North Africa mostly by the "convert or die" evangelism.

    While Islam rules most of North Africa today, the remnants of the indiginous people are Muslim only in name, do not like Arabs, and generally do not practice Islam although they observe the rules.

    I do not quite agree with your final statement. I think the religious leaders who incite these minions into such action are highly motivated by the desire to conquer the world and convert it to Islam.

    Meanwhile, I do not know if your thinking here would include humanitarian efforts that people do in the name of their religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcane_Mathematician

    Religion serves as self-justification and nothing more, don't fool yourself into thinking that the people behind the terrorism ACTUALLY believe that they are killing for their god. The suicide bomber likely does believe it's for his religion and his god, but the one's who told him to go and blow his ass to hell, definitely did not.
    After living, working, dining and sharing danger for a year with Muslims I have absolutely no doubt that they don't distinguish between the two. All their thinking has religion at the forefront and it's so deeply ingrained in Arabic that even this atheist could not carry on a basic discussion without frequent reference to Allah. Even if it's just a psychological defense of sorts they are motivated for religious reasons, thinking God supports their actions, even if others disagree. I think the idea that their beliefs could be separate are largely a Western contrivance of being brought up in most secular societies. The fact they can't separate religion and all their actions and motivation are the very thing that make fighting religious extremist or the populations which support them so difficult.
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    Lynx_Fox: Nice observation concerning how pervasive Islam is within the Muslim community. Having also spent some time in a Muslim country, I saw that, too. I'm not sure that most people brought up in the West can comprehend how religion can dominate the minds of those brought up in strict religious environments.

    Islam permeates the entirety of their existence and dominates their politics, their social structure, their morality, their economics and virtually every aspect of their lives. Most people in the west just do not understand how deeply affected by Islam are the people who must live under its dominance.

    The problem I saw where I was is that a lot of the population were descendents of indiginous people who were there for centuries before Islam and who are not Muslim at heart or in belief, but are compelled to follow Muslim laws and customs or face repercussions from many directions -- legal, political and social.

    Were I an atheist, I should think I would prefer to live in the Christian dominated west vis a vis areas under the control of Islam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    Were I an atheist, I should think I would prefer to live in the Christian dominated west vis a vis areas under the control of Islam.
    The key point of the preference, however, would be the level of control that religion has on government and public policy. In many Islamic countries, this is taken to an extreme of allowing a theocratic nation, but there are nations where Islam is the dominant religious belief that are very hospitable. Oman, for instance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkinWalker
    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    Were I an atheist, I should think I would prefer to live in the Christian dominated west vis a vis areas under the control of Islam.
    The key point of the preference, however, would be the level of control that religion has on government and public policy. In many Islamic countries, this is taken to an extreme of allowing a theocratic nation, but there are nations where Islam is the dominant religious belief that are very hospitable. Oman, for instance.
    Hospitable relative to other Islamic countries perhaps. It is officially an Islamic government based on Sharia law. Group worship in private homes is prohibited, while the approved sanctioned locations are limited. Church publications must have government approval. Mosques must be built on state owned land, and sermons are monitored and limited to approved texts.

    Few westerners would tolerate that in their own countries.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom...ligion_in_Oman
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    The larger point being, of course, that the more invasive a religion is to a government, the fewer freedoms exist, particularly with regard to religious belief (or disbelief).

    Left unchecked, Christian sects could easily (and would willingly) take hold of our own government and public policy in the United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkinWalker
    Left unchecked, Christian sects could easily (and would willingly) take hold of our own government and public policy in the United States.
    Why do you say that? Our current system of government evolved in a majority Christian society. I don't know of any Christians who want to take hold of the government, at least not any more than you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkinWalker
    Just because you don't know them doesn't mean they aren't there. One need only read WorldNut Daily or any other Christian fundy site to see this to be the case.
    Well, I do read those sites, and I don't know what you are talking about. They have certain political views. So do you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
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    Just because you don't know them doesn't mean they aren't there. One need only read WorldNut Daily or any other Christian fundy site to see this to be the case.
    Well, I do read those sites, and I don't know what you are talking about. They have certain political views. So do you.
    I detest politics and politicians. That's my political view.

    But if you "don't know what" I'm "talking about," then you either don't really read those sites or you don't read them closely. Even a casual glance at Worldnut Daily reveals a political desire to institute Christianity as the religion of the U.S. and thus turn us into a theocracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkinWalker
    But if you "don't know what" I'm "talking about," then you either don't really read those sites or you don't read them closely. Even a casual glance at Worldnut Daily reveals a political desire to institute Christianity as the religion of the U.S. and thus turn us into a theocracy.
    Perhaps you could provide a link to such a statement.
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    Trust me, skinwalker, you could no more stand on a corner denying the existence of Allah, than I could stand on the same corner preaching Yahweh. Neither of us would stand much of a chance of getting off that corner alive if we made a habit of it. I think that true even in the "friendliest" of Muslim countries.

    I have an idea, skinwalker, why don't you go to Oman and see how that works out? There must be some way to scientifically test this premise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    I have an idea, skinwalker, why don't you go to Oman and see how that works out? There must be some way to scientifically test this premise.
    LOL.. no thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
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    But if you "don't know what" I'm "talking about," then you either don't really read those sites or you don't read them closely. Even a casual glance at Worldnut Daily reveals a political desire to institute Christianity as the religion of the U.S. and thus turn us into a theocracy.
    Perhaps you could provide a link to such a statement.
    Worldnut Daily is just the representative I used to illustrate the point. The links in the post above provide plenty of demonstration that shows there are more than just a handful of Christian fundies bent on establishing a theocracy.
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    skinwalker said:
    I detest politics and politicians. That's my political view.
    and

    Worldnut Daily is just the representative I used to illustrate the point. The links in the post above provide plenty of demonstration that shows there are more than just a handful of Christian fundies bent on establishing a theocracy.
    No matter how much you detest politics, you must realize politics and politicians effect your life more than anything else in this country. But that is true of just about any country you could live in other than Islamic republics where religious leaders would have the greatest effect on your life.

    There are numbers of groups who would like to assume political control of our country for various reasons. Some would do so for the purpose of establishing a system which they feel would be better. For example, the current socialist dominated regime which operates under the mistaken belief that all the past (and current) failures of socialism have been the result of improper implementation. Some would do so to advance extreme social restructuring such as white supremacists who would eliminate all races other than whites.

    I would hesitate to conclude that those in the U.S. who might be bent on establishing a Christian theocracy would outnumber the members of other religious and non-religious bents who would consider forcing their beliefs on others or trying to prevent others from observing theirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    For example, the current socialist dominated regime which operates under the mistaken belief that all the past (and current) failures of socialism have been the result of improper implementation.
    What???
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    I would hesitate to conclude that those in the U.S. who might be bent on establishing a Christian theocracy would outnumber the members of other religious and non-religious bents who would consider forcing their beliefs on others or trying to prevent others from observing theirs.
    So far so good. Let's hope it stays that way for both the religious and the non-religious sakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twit of wit
    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    For example, the current socialist dominated regime which operates under the mistaken belief that all the past (and current) failures of socialism have been the result of improper implementation.
    What???
    Yeah. That's the kind of political rhetoric I detest and, thus, ignore. It isn't worth the effort to give Limbaugh ditto-heads, O'Reilly wannabes, or Matthews "hardballers" any consideration.
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    Sorry, I am far from being a Limbaugh ditto head or a Beck bullshi--er or a Hannity henchman. My neighbor is one of those and thinks I am a bleeding heart liberal.
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    Sorry. I was confused by the "socialist" birther-speak you see in media reports of "tea party" rallies. :-)
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    How could you possibly declares that they were a mixture of the Muslim faith and Roman faith and Jewish faith? Well, how Christianity, who is been founded years before Islam, can be a faith of Islam? Who is the youngest religion?

    You are, repeatedly, declaring Christian god and Jew god? This is false; Christian and Muslim and Jew share the same God.

    This is not quite clear the Muslims would fight and never lose this war. Even long after the fall of Rome.. their gods remained. Islam is a monotheist religion. And what fall of Rome do you proclaim?

    That all other gods are hereby considered pagan, They declared all other faiths PAGAN! not only Christians did indeed. All religions did therefore and even thence until now.

    Sadly no matter the mythology I read.. I don't really see any good gods that would want mankind to destroy itself as it is. The gods have truly abandoned not you.. but your way of life What do you mean? How well 'mankind' will destroy itself? A final day, it will be and it is scientifically proven.
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