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  1. #1 Religion`s influence in Politics. 
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    Its not really just about blowing up buildings, thats just the end result of some conflicts. But even the terrorist claim to 'do it in the name of their religion' and there is a reason for that, a reason why thats even possible and a reason why you cant deny the truth in this 'claim', regardless.

    Politics and religion go hand in hand in 'those parts of the world'. Religion heavily influences politics there, thats an indisputable fact. Another fact is that peoples lives are to a much much higher degree formed by the values of their religion than in the developed world, values that the goverments (which is heavily influences by religion) teach their people (much like herding sheep) to control them.

    In the end the differences that people fight over (even internaly among the same people) and the cause of the numerous conflicts, big or small, has their roots in religion, thats where everything originated. This is were the (to us) deranged view on morale and ethics has its roots (and also where (to others) westerners have deviations), because its underdeveloped and hasnt changed since the dawn of time. The religious aspects of a conflict doesnt always stand out, but deep down its the primary reason why such a conflict originate.

    The guidelines and culture of a specific people is heavily tied to the religion in that part of the world, its always been that way. Cultural differences are more based on religious views and the guidelines is has taught people for generations than anything else. This is how many conflicts start, especially because some religions have failed to renew themselves, their values and guidelines up to modern day standard.

    Its absolutely clueless to deny the heavy influence from religion in every aspect of society, even in the western world, difference is we have modified the views accordingly to the development of our species, where in other parts the values and standard are inchangeable and are the same as 2000 years ago.


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    Religion will likely always play a role, no matter how small, in politics for as long as man and religion both exist


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    Quote Originally Posted by moody

    In the end the differences that people fight over (even internaly among the same people) and the cause of the numerous conflicts, big or small, has their roots in religion, thats where everything originated. This is were the (to us) deranged view on morale and ethics has its roots (and also where (to others) westerners have deviations), because its underdeveloped and hasnt changed since the dawn of time. The religious aspects of a conflict doesnt always stand out, but deep down its the primary reason why such a conflict originate.
    No this is too simple an explanation. It works if the religion is deranged or immoral or unethical. It does not work otherwise. Good principles do not make people evil. Politics and power are the root behind conflict and religion is often used as a crutch. Notice that the same thing happens absent of religion, Stalin and Mao are the best examples. I am not here to defend religions, especially not corrupt ones, but to lump all religions together and blame them all for conflict is wrong.

    The guidelines and culture of a specific people is heavily tied to the religion in that part of the world, its always been that way. Cultural differences are more based on religious views and the guidelines is has taught people for generations than anything else.
    True enough.

    This is how many conflicts start, especially because some religions have failed to renew themselves, their values and guidelines up to modern day standard.
    Extending religion to the cause of conflict only works if the ideology of that particular religion allows for or promotes conflict. If the tenet of the religion is in contrast, then while religion can account for segregation, it would have to be power and politics that accounts for escalation. Political leasers are quite effective at using religion as a tool to segregate and then rally people around a cause.
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    Cypress - Your argument seems to rely on the assumption that there is only one interpretation of religious teachings. That is false on its face since... even just within Christianity... where people are all drawing inspiration from the exact same resource/book... there are drastically different interpretations. There is no such thing as "good" or "bad" religions when speaking of the three major Abrahamic ones... There are only good and bad interpretations of religious teachings... where good and bad are measured in context of the larger society... but the ideology (and differences of ideology across groups) ABSOLUTELY can lead to conflict, and often does.

    No matter how you try to justify or spin or rationalize it, what I've represented above is the truth.
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    Religion is a meme.
    Politics is a meme.

    Both will find each other to further each others agenda if it suits the meme. It is easier to stay with one kind of meme than to adopt another, which is why terrorists or rather certain religious (meme) fanatics are so devout in ridding other people who hold other memes as their memes are a threat to their own and thus proceed to rid that meme by flying aeroplanes into buildings.

    Its all over nature, I suggest reading The Lucifer Principle by Howard Bloom, it has opened my eyes and also it is a big fat wet slap in the face of reality.
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    thanks for the warning inow. I'm quite sure everyone agrees that you alone are infallible here. Anyway, I don't see anything in your post worth responding to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moody
    'those parts of the world'.... there... peoples ...their religion ... (to us) deranged view...
    Why so cagey? You mean poor Islamic nations right? Let's not communicate in winks and nods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moody
    Its not really just about blowing up buildings, thats just the end result of some conflicts. But even the terrorist claim to 'do it in the name of their religion' and there is a reason for that, a reason why thats even possible and a reason why you cant deny the truth in this 'claim', regardless.

    Politics and religion go hand in hand in 'those parts of the world'. Religion heavily influences politics there, thats an indisputable fact. Another fact is that peoples lives are to a much much higher degree formed by the values of their religion than in the developed world, values that the goverments (which is heavily influences by religion) teach their people (much like herding sheep) to control them.

    In the end the differences that people fight over (even internaly among the same people) and the cause of the numerous conflicts, big or small, has their roots in religion, thats where everything originated. This is were the (to us) deranged view on morale and ethics has its roots (and also where (to others) westerners have deviations), because its underdeveloped and hasnt changed since the dawn of time. The religious aspects of a conflict doesnt always stand out, but deep down its the primary reason why such a conflict originate.

    The guidelines and culture of a specific people is heavily tied to the religion in that part of the world, its always been that way. Cultural differences are more based on religious views and the guidelines is has taught people for generations than anything else. This is how many conflicts start, especially because some religions have failed to renew themselves, their values and guidelines up to modern day standard.

    Its absolutely clueless to deny the heavy influence from religion in every aspect of society, even in the western world, difference is we have modified the views accordingly to the development of our species, where in other parts the values and standard are inchangeable and are the same as 2000 years ago.


    Would be glad to read your opinions.
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    Its not clear why you would expect religion to not bear an influence on politics.

    IOW if a person/community has an ideological perspective on how the universe is managed/ controlled, it would follow that this would have ramifications on how they choose to manage/control their societies.
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