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  1. #1 Do ppl believe in religion during times of hardship? 
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    The actual question should be, does a person seek religion/spirituality during times of extreme emotional stress, hardship and suffering (for example in war)?

    In my opinion, people do turn to religious/spirituality when they experience difficult times because there is no way out of the situation that they are in. In that they find solace or comfort in believing that something higher than them is governing the reality that they are in.

    So when a person pushed to the wall without a way out he will search for something out of the norm ie. the divine to explain the reason for his predicament and also to raise his hope of a solution appearing.


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    Why not?
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    I do believe it seems obvious to even the most casual of observers. The Biblical book of Revelation itself was written during an incredibly depressing period of persecution. Religion is the opium of the masses, and is especially sought in times of oppression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newnothing
    Why not?
    its individual.
    some people are weak, and need support when things are harsh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dejawolf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darius
    Religion is the opium of the masses, and is especially sought in times of oppression.
    I like this quote.

    My opinion is that we are living in hard times. We are living in such material variety that it is very hard to keep up with the standards of living. Although religion may provide some sort of relief in keeping the worry demons away, how long does a person persevere before he/she realizes that the help/mercy from the divine authority will not arrive?

    Using your quote again "Religion is the opium of the masses" religion is like a drug. People are escaping reality since religion makes them feel more secure. But like all drugs, reality always come knocking.
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    It is well documented that the First World War, a conflict of catastrophic proportions, had a very negative effect on it's participants religious beliefs. The horrors of trench warfare brought many people to doubt and reject their religious beliefs. Movements like spiritualism arose after the war since many people were unable to find anything meaningful with the old faiths after experiencing the war. A female aristocrat, whom I forget the name of, worked as an aid in a hospital during the war wrote how after experiencing the horror of helping to dress and work on the wounded, could no longer sustain her belief in a higher power, which became only more vehement after her boyfriend was killed during the war.

    A good introduction to this is the book "Not so Quiet: Stepdaughters of War" which was about female ambulance drivers during the Great War by Evadne Price. The novel is supposed to be semi-autobiographical and is a disturbing and engaging read.

    Anyway, I cant quite remember where I heard this, but I remember someone telling me that "it is easy to believe in God and go to church when times are good." If anything, I would think that times of hardship would cause people to lose their faith than regain it. After all, when time start getting tough, why not blame the guy who is supposedly in control of the universe? But then again, I could just as easily be the other way around, or even a mix of both, who can say? Nobody has bothered to post a study or an excerpt from a book or journal on the subject. If anything, this thread is just full of unfounded opinions.

    Using your quote again "Religion is the opium of the masses" religion is like a drug. People are escaping reality since religion makes them feel more secure. But like all drugs, reality always come knocking.
    Firstly, unless you have met and discussed the topic with every religious person, then this remains an opinion, and a very biased opinion at that. I could just as easily say all atheists do is want to live lives of material luxury at the expense of their fellow man. I have no proof, and it is a bigoted view, but who cares.

    Secondly, in regards to "Religion is the opium of the masses", I give you

    A witty saying proves nothing.
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    this. Quotes are nice, but they are merely catchphrases for the insipid to spit out whenever they can't think for themselves (oh the irony!). Also, who are these masses you speak of? Its strange how often people like talking about the great, unwashed mob, while the thought never seems to cross their mind that they might be a part of this savage horde, if it exists anyway. Anyhoo, im just being an asshole. If we didnt have our opinions, interests, and personalities, we would just be mindless automatons devoid of all the beauty and creativity that makes us human.

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    Do ppl believe in religion during times of hardship?

    I plan to. I guess I'll wimper pitifully on my deathbed, and clutch hope in spite of myself. I've made that known to family, lest they fail to pull the plug when it's time.
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    It certainly seems to be a contributing factor. I'm a devout atheist (if there is such a thing) but whenever I have to do something that's going to be hard, that's when I start wondering if there maybe is a God. I can't remember who said it, but the quote 'There are very few atheists on a plummeting plane' seems to be work. It's one of the reasons I don't like religion very much. It needs sadness to thrive.

    (I know there are other reasons why religion thrives, but I can't be bothered wording it in a way that would make it work)
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    Quote Originally Posted by KomradRed
    A female aristocrat, whom I forget the name of, worked as an aid in a hospital during the war wrote how after experiencing the horror of helping to dress and work on the wounded, could no longer sustain her belief in a higher power, which became only more vehement after her boyfriend was killed during the war.
    Are you referring to Florence Nightingale?
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    Quote Originally Posted by newnothing
    Are you referring to Florence Nightingale?
    Quote Originally Posted by KomradRed
    First World War
    At last, I figured out the quote system! But anywho, no, I was talking about a female aristocrat during the First World War, who I shall look up tomorrow before I head out to calling hours.

    Edit: It was Vera Brittain!
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    Quote Originally Posted by newnothing
    The actual question should be, does a person seek religion/spirituality during times of extreme emotional stress, hardship and suffering (for example in war)?

    In my opinion, people do turn to religious/spirituality when they experience difficult times because there is no way out of the situation that they are in. In that they find solace or comfort in believing that something higher than them is governing the reality that they are in.

    So when a person pushed to the wall without a way out he will search for something out of the norm ie. the divine to explain the reason for his predicament and also to raise his hope of a solution appearing.
    I think pain generally destabalizes ppl's beliefs, either making them more or less religious.
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    Sophisticated samurai were supposed to utter a spontaneous zen death poem as they left this world, ideally though violence. Here's one:

    Spitting blood

    clears up reality

    and dream alike.
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    HardShip : has nonsense, because, this life is very short and we were created to accomplish a mission in this earth, to fight evil, to make people happy, to do good things, not to be selflish.

    Allah created us to succed in this life or to fail. We have the choice.

    Success -----> PARADISE for ETERNITY (0..............+OO)
    FAIL ---------> HELL for ETERNITY.

    So, hardship is a constraint in this life that we have to pass it and not affect our believe in religion and in ALLAH, because we will fail in this case; because we will be a "colorizes" people which want to believe in religion if he ( has money, good health, a big house, a car ) and unless he do not believe. It's selflish and it's illogic, because you have to succed because the eternity in paradise worth to be patient and to follow the light of right way.

    Allah, dislikes people who believe the day which is ok for theme and disbelive the day which they are not ok according to humanity definition (of course we talk about money)

    Mr, You see M JACKSON after being star and after having Millions of $, he dead with nothing to take with him.

    Only Allah, knows about the Micheal Jackson's heart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    the eternity in paradise worth to be patient and to follow the light of right way.
    That's a most comforting thought in times of hardship. The oppressed have no power to do evil, so may as well say resisting evil is their unselfish choice.

    I knew a guy who was vegetarian, because he couldn't really afford to buy meat. But he didn't frame it that way - he believed meat inefficient, bad for the economy, "decadent".

    When people find their situation incompatible with their beliefs, something has to give. We tend to change our beliefs to suit our situation, not the reverse. Maybe religion's faith in better times offers a third way? A meta escape. Then my poor vegetarian friend could have remained a meat-eater at heart and thought "this is all a test".
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    it's obvious that your beliefs is the result of what you have learned & seen & heard & lived, is the result of your experience.

    That experience may be benefic for you or not.

    How do you recognize that you are doing the good thing or you choose the good choice.?

    You may tell me, the good sense, my intelligence.

    That's good for you, but there is 6 billions of people actually. 80% of them live in hardship, and they are not able all of them to change their situation. because change is not a matter of material or money it's a matter of belief, so to change the hardship to happiness, you have to find the means by experience to remove the unhappiness and to fight hardship.
    Some people suggest to follow religion because human being is emotional and may be relax by religion.
    I'm not discussing the existence of GOD, because it's a matter of convicience;

    Hardship is life, and life is hardship. I explain : I mean that hardworking may be for some people embarassing, the death of someone we loved may be for some people hardship and for other a step and life continue.

    I mean there is not a one definition of hardship.

    for example, I heard that a girl killed herself when she knew that M jackson died.
    for me or for you is only an information but for her is the end of life.

    All we wrote, all we discuss is relativ;

    But there is a reality,
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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    good for you, but there is 6 billions of people actually. 80% of them live in hardship, and they are not able all of them to change their situation. because change is not a matter of material or money it's a matter of belief, so to change the hardship to happiness, you have to find the means by experience to remove the unhappiness and to fight hardship.
    You're right.
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    Some people suggest to follow religion because human being is emotional and may be relax by religion.
    Each religion offers a different experience. One might give the experience that I'm being justly punished in this life for a life I had before. Another might make me experience God watching over me, saying "Don't give up!"

    Maybe the best religion depends on situation. Then I think we'd see people dropping religion as situation changed, even if religion brought them to that new situation. In that case, religions retain more followers by discouraging change. I'm reminded of Alchoholics Anonymous - the members have to say they are always alchoholic and always will be.
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    Religions are something in which some people find strength in when they are down. It can be a sort of support system for people who need strength. However, religion can also be for people who need faith everyday in their lives, in good times and bad.

    For me and my family, we find strength in Allah when we are weak or in a poor position. Islam also acts as a support system for us everyday when we are praying, or even now when we are fasting.

    I believe that it really does depend on each individuals situation and commitment to their religion.

    Islam, for example, has many guidelines for us to follow. These guidelines at times can be very challenging, and so this is a point in some peoples lives when religion is discarded.

    The acceptence or practice of religion can appear in a similar way. If life gets difficult, some people turn to God to fix their problems.

    It really does have to do with the individual and their unique situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FringeGirl

    For me and my family, we find strength in Allah when we are weak or in a poor position. Islam also acts as a support system for us everyday when we are praying, or even now when we are fasting.

    Religion is for all kind of people, all kind of situation people live. Not only poor people or hard situation.

    Rich people, when they thank Allah for the confort they live are much better than poor people who are patient and praying Allah.

    So, we find strength in Allah in all kind of situation (happiness, hardship, poverty, wealth, victory, or defeatc......)
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