Thread: the R.C.C.* wrong again

this is an old article but worth discussing as it pertains to this forum specifically and this website over all:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle574768.ece

The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the Bible.

“We should not expect to find in Scripture full scientific accuracy or complete historical precision,” they say in The Gift of Scripture

so much for thinking that the r.c.c. is christian. there maybe some members who are but generally most are not as evidenced by this article.

* R.C.C. = roman catholic church.

What is the world coming to... (sarcasm).

Thats interesting that though, after all these years, centuries actually. It will be interesting to see where this goes and maybe they might stop poking their noses in everything, which includes AIDS and contraception...

if they still feel that Jesus is the Christ of man, and follow his teachings, then, by definition, aren't they still Christian?

not if they say God lied or does not have the truth in all areas of life.

Now that would be a contradiction.

Wikipedia defines a Christian as a

Adherents of Christianity, known as Christians,[3] believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the Messiah prophesied in the Hebrew Bible (the part of scripture common to Christianity and Judaism).

dictionary.com defines one as

a person who believes in Jesus Christ; adherent of Christianity.

that still applies to all Catholics that I've ever known.

Originally Posted by Arcane_Mathamatition

Wikipedia defines a Christian as a

Adherents of Christianity, known as Christians,[3] believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the Messiah prophesied in the Hebrew Bible (the part of scripture common to Christianity and Judaism).

dictionary.com defines one as

a person who believes in Jesus Christ; adherent of Christianity.

that still applies to all Catholics that I've ever known.

Yes but like all heretical pseudo Christian cults, arch redefines Christianity to only fit his own select elitist gnostic cult, which means that it will only include those that lobotomize themselves enough to believe in his brain dead INTERPRETATION of the Bible as a combination fairy tale and science textbook. Since his cult is all about power, manipulation, domination and control they don't want people with any capacity to use their brain, they just want sheep they can shear (for political influence) and fleece (for monetary capital). Thus their prospective members are required to sacrifice their brains and promise never to think outside the dark hole in which the cult hides (intellectually speaking).

I thought the most common way of describing who is a christian is whether they hold to the first 7 or so ecumenical councils.

Originally Posted by KomradRed

I thought the most common way of describing who is a christian is whether they hold to the first 7 or so ecumenical councils.

The eccumenical councils are indeed the reasonable historical approach and is indeed the consensus definition. The first 7 would indeed include the vast majority of Catholic communions and Protestant denominations, but I think the first and most inclusive is the best. If one can AT LEAST uphold the Nicean creed then that gives you a solid link to historical Christianity. Otherwise you are just making up your own religion.

i is so tiring reading MM's baseless attacks each day. he should know that wikipedia, the dictionary and other reference works do NOT lay out the criteria for what is a christian.

God does and when you srtray from God's word yuo are basically straying from your salvation. ultimately it is up to God but the Bible is very clear about false teachers and paul curses them.

paul was very clear about false teachers as well and about people deceiving and being deceived. a believer does NOT accept everyone who just claims to be a christian, there are rules to follow.

jesus said 'if you love me keep my commandments' and God said, 'why do ye call me lord lord yet do not do the things i say?'

there are rules people and you need to go to the Bible not humans for them.

I know the book of mark and matthew verbatim. Do you know what his commandments were? Love thy god, and love thy neighbor. Merely because one does not believe the bible to be authorative on reality does not mean one disbelieves in God or Jesus, or the message given. You should carefully analyze your own faith, brother, for you tend to stray.

Merely because one does not believe the bible to be authorative on reality does not mean one disbelieves in God or Jesus, or the message given. You should carefully analyze your own faith, brother, for you tend to stray.

Yet Jesus said in John 5:42-- if ye do not believe moses how will ye believe my words? (slightly paraphrased,done from memory)

God spoke through moses and had moses write down many things, so if you dismiss him you are basically dismissing God and Jesus.

At the same time you are proclaiming sheep in wolves clothing you proclaim biblical infallibility? Tell me, what does "sheep in wolf clothing" mean? It means that those most vile will disguise themselves as those most holy, and taint the word of God. What's the most effective way to do this? By modifying Gods message, of course.

What you've listed there is not a fact, but a parable written by a scribe that believed in older biblical stories, and later chosen by men to insert into the bible.

What you've listed there is not a fact, but a parable written by a scribe that believed in older biblical stories, and later chosen by men to insert into the bible.

it is easy to make false accusations 2,000 years after the fact, when the human helpers are dead and gone and no christian is going to hurt you in the present. doesn't take much courage to do so, nor any character.

There, you see brother? I speak of truth, and your tainted faith wishes violence upon me. Is this what you call righteousness? Inflicting harm on those that would otherwise guide you? You are as though an ignorant old man set in his ways, defending them to the knife. Has he not said those that live by the sword shall die by it?

To All

My idea of a true Christian is to view Christ as a Preacher/Reformer rather than promoting Christ as a sacrificial lamb.

So anyone that accepts the crucifix or cross, I consider to be a non Christian. And to separate the Catholic from the Protestant, the plain cross is generally used by the Protestants.

The Old Testament is a 'junk' religion as Marx describes religion as a opiate.
I do not support communism but I will agree that the OT is a devisive document of promoting evil and hate. And how can anyone accept the 'creation out of nothing' universe?
Teachings that are plainly falsified by the current science that clearly refutes the origin of the universe, dumbs people down to a cartoon (fantasy) mentality.
Incidentally, I also refute the current BBT of todays science.

Cosmo

There, you see brother? I speak of truth, and your tainted faith wishes violence upon me. Is this what you call righteousness? Inflicting harm on those that would otherwise guide you? You are as though an ignorant old man set in his ways, defending them to the knife. Has he not said those that live by the sword shall die by it?

To All

My idea of a true Christian is to view Christ as a Preacher/Reformer rather than promoting Christ as a sacrificial lamb.

So anyone that accepts the crucifix or cross, I consider to be a non Christian. And to separate the Catholic from the Protestant, the plain cross is generally used by the Protestants.

The Old Testament is a 'junk' religion as Marx describes religion as a opiate.
I do not support communism but I will agree that the OT is a devisive document of promoting evil and hate. And how can anyone accept the 'creation out of nothing' universe?
Teachings that are plainly falsified by the current science that clearly refutes the origin of the universe, dumbs people down to a cartoon (fantasy) mentality.
Incidentally, I also refute the current BBT of todays science.

siiiggghhhh!!!!!!