
Originally Posted by
marcusclayman
"Thought comes before any action or any motivation."
Sounds right, but that doesn't make it so. I'll start another thread discussing this in a more scientific forum, I'll PM you the link.
"Homosexuals can have children, just not with their partners. Artificial insemination works quite well." No crap, but to consider that anything like two lovers having a child is somewhat ridiculous. The act of homosexuality, doesn't create children. You can also make babies in test tubes. You can also adopt babies. It is not the same, physically, emotionally or mentally as the full experience of conceiving, carrying and birthing a baby. Unless of course you have a very very powerful and/or delusional imagination. There is not much to compare it to these days, so no wonder it seems relative, but it is not, these are nothing alike.
"Not all heterosexuals have children so that issue is mute. Unless of course you hate childless heterosexual couples as well as gays." You assume I hate gays, why? Is it a love em or hate em sort of thing because I'm pretty sure I'm indifferent. I don't know if there is anything wrong with homosexuality, what I say are observations.
Two same sex partners cannot conceive a baby on their own no matter how hard they try. This is an observation, not a judgment based on hatred.
There is always the love factor too when it comes to artificial insemination. There is the theory that the amount of love and stimulation during intercourse effects the nervous development of a child. I will look for statistics about the children made and raised in different ways. I am more curious than biased please get this before assuming I am looking for evidence to support my case. To me, I have no case. I care about what is right, I would never claim to know what right is, observing the facts helps one understand, and that's what I'm trying to do. So please help me learn by sharing what you know, don't just tell me I'm wrong, that just keeps us both down.
"Gays also can have spiritual balance in their relationship."
OK, we should discuss this in the philosophy and psychology forums. I do not disagree with you, but maybe our understanding of spirituality is different. To me it is nothing more than psychological development. Since women and men are slightly different physically, hormonally and mentally, cooperation necessitates more compromise which requires more maturity, or so it seems. Please share what you think on this since it is my main concern.
"Care to try again to justify the unjustifiable?" I didn't know I was trying to justify anything in the first place. Thanks for the offer, but I don't think so, you seem to assume everyone is against you, would you care to talk about THIS maybe, I'm no psychologist but I think you would find more productive conversations by giving people the benefit of the doubt? Unless of course this isn't for us to learn and is just for you to express yourself, in which case I will be forced to put you on ignore.
"Regards "
Ditto, I hope we can put ego aside and have a fruitful conversation.