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Hello every one
I need to hear your opinions about why do you want kids ???
For the non religious, why to bring more humans to this chaotic hard and meaningless life ?
And for the religious, why to bring humans to life if it is such a hard test and all what they have to do is to worship god ?
Thank you
Well that's a rather bleak view of the world haha.
Anyway, I will never have any children biologically. Adoption maybe, but that's a long and painful process.
I wish to have children simply to aid in countering idiocracy. Containing no genetic abnormalities is also a plus. Also, based on my family history, it is likely I will live beyond a hundred years. I originally considered having no children, but then I realized stupid people will simply keep breeding even more. Hopefully with the production of intelligent children, they can get into positions power, and stop the inevitable. Of course, I shall never have more than two (to replace the two parents).
Hey, someone needs to carry on the utter genius and brilliance that I possess. :wink:
I don't hear anyone concurring.
Fat lot of help you folks are. :roll:
:)
If I gave you my (many and wonderful) reasons for having children, you would immediately be convinced and have some of your own. Your children would then compete with mine, in a world where resources are getting scarce. Now tell me, why on earth would I want that?
In my country you can find a very poor man with more than 5 kids and when you ask him why , he just doesnt know !
I just cannt find one logical reason to keep breeding like that but I do believe that no one actually think before bringing a new human to life , we are just programmed to breed as it is in our genes exactly like animals.
I think If we realy love our kids we wouldnt have bring them to life in the first place, right ? :?
:shock: waaaa naive human.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darius
Given that only like 35% of pregnancies are planned, I'm not so sure most people really do want kids in the first place. After they've had them and are stuck with them people will usually go on about how great they are etc, but I've always suspect that it's the parents are trying to convince themselves more than anyone else. I believe there have been some studies showing that people without children tend to be happier.
'Cause then your competitive/incredible kids could team up with my brilliant and equally competitive kids, and then we could solve all the world's problems and unlock the secrets to the universe!Quote:
If I gave you my (many and wonderful) reasons for having children, you would immediately be convinced and have some of your own. Your children would then compete with mine, in a world where resources are getting scarce. Now tell me, why on earth would I want that?
Doesnt it sound.......GLORIOUS?
Ahhh.....w-o-r-l-d d-o-m-i-n-a-t-i-o-n!
I forgot where I was reading it, might have been some of pythagoras's teachings but I forgot.
The topic was breeding intentionally, and that people will pick proper mates when breeding race horses, they will pick proper makes when breeding show dogs, but when it comes to human children, noon picks a mate for any reason other than impulse.
Even if they plan their pregnancy, they don't plan anything, they just decide they want to do it and they do. They assume that is all they have control over, but there is more to it.
I want to have babies as experiments... obviously I will never find a woman interested enough in science to do that so I will have to trick her HAHAHA!
I'm serious... not about the tricking part but about the experiment part.
im talking real unexplored regions of science here
trying to make the BEST DAMN NINJA BABY EVER
i had a dream, i had a baby, the chosen one it was called, it grew up to be the best damn ninja ever... she starts the best damn ninja school ever too, and then the school devides and wages war, countless innocent civilians die in the crossfire of the gattling ninja launchers that shoot ninjas that throw ninja stars and chop heads off, the most devistating weapon since the squirrel chucks, even more deadly than an aussie with a frisbee... so yeah, countless innocents dead, actually, ALL innocents dead, thats how you know they were innocent, but chopping their heads off... if they moved they were actually ninjas in disguise! after all the innocents heads were justly removed, the ninjas all killed eachother and then the chosen one , MY baby comes back from the dead, powered by the soul of the infinit ninja of all time...
let me ask you this? who do you think killed the dinosaurs? a meteor? HA, an ice age? HA! the LAST NINJA, MY dAUGHTER, after killing all innocents and ninjas goes back in time and kills the dinosaurs, then goes back in time too far, crashes into the singularity of infinit potential sparking a huge chain reaction, the effects of which are WE...
that is why I want to have a baby
Gosh....is that really what you think life is? Chaotic, hard and meaningless? And a 'hard test'????Quote:
Originally Posted by evo4ata
Well if that's your attitude about life, then I think it best you avoid having children and passing on those negative beliefs that life is chaotic hard and meaningless!
Quality of life depends on awareness and perception of it, but more importantly it depends on your opinions, ideas and beliefs about it. Because this is what influences how we perceive and experience life
It is not external life which determines it's qualities, because there is an abundance of joys and woes to pick and choose from, it's actually your inner life which determines your quality of life. It is the mind which selects it's experiences and it's viewpoint depending on what we have pre-determined about it through our beliefs.
The mind is the most powerful tool you have. If you think and believe that life is chaotic, hard and meaningless, then it will always present itself as such to you.
This form of thinking blocks any possible enjoyment or fulfillment of life because you are blinded and ignorant of it's potential joys, because of this belief you have about life.
I wish more people would understand the above formula and at least experiment with it, because really we people make our own misery in life by being ignorant of and misunderstanding what is actually going on and what is really causing hardships and misery.
If you could just spend a week telling yourself constantly that life is an abundance of joy and make yourself consciously see all of it's potential happiness and eliminate this negative outlook. It's quite possible that you will begin to change your life completely and you will begin to have more and more moments where the simple joys of life will begin to open themselves up to you. They were there all the time, but before you didn't see them because they didn't form your opinion of life.
The mind has a terrible habit of wanting to slot itself into a particular viewpoint, and to do this, it then must eliminate or conceal other possibilities, in order to maintain this viewpoint.
I am describing the above formula in different ways, and I'm banging on about it, because I am hoping that just one person at least might get it and go aaaaahhhhhaa!
If you spend your life focusing on the material plane, and all that matters to you is the acquiring of certain material goods, such as that nice house, that flash car, that mega-games console, those designer jeans, the status that goes with such etc etc etc. Then yes life will become a meaningless monotonous struggle, because real satisfaction is never granted because there is always something else on the list to acquire. This is because such things as these do not give real and lasting meaning and happiness.
I will be happy when I get that car. The car is got, you are happy for a short while, but then there is something else which catches your attention........and now the idea of happiness lays in something else which requires all your effort to get....and then you get it.........and are happy for a short while.....but then something else catches your eye....and on and on....to seek happiness in material things is pointless, because happiness flits from one thing to the other like a ghostly butterfly and never settling...
How many people stop looking for happy and just accept what is already out there. And there is plenty of happiness and joy to be got, if you know where to look.
In the sunset. In the Dawn chorus. In the sparkles of the waves of the sea. In the smell of your favourite food cooking. In that park watching children play. Seeing your lovers smiling face. Watching a stranger help another stranger out.....the list of potential day to day happiness which requires no effort other than observation and experience of is endless.
This is effortless happiness, because your mind is open to all it's possibilities, instead of being shut, because it thinks life is hard and meaningless.
It's through these joyful experiences above that meaning in life is given because there is something deeper and more lasting to be found in them. The sunset reminds you of fire and warmth, the sparkles on the sea become jewels. The children in the park become the future. Seeing a stranger help another becomes hope.
Meaning is that which expands on the initial experience and gives a deeper understanding about life and what is really important.
When you're on your death bed taking your last breaths, and if you have all your faculties intact, what will you be thinking about?
The big house? The flash car? The designer jeans?
Or perhaps memories of sunsets, bejeweled seas, loved ones happy faces, your children laughing and all those other memories of love and happiness which imprinted themselves on your memory because they were filled with the strong emotion of joy and love.
I had a child and I work with children because I want to share the happiness and joy that life has to offer.
Of course life can present itself as a struggle and sometimes there are unavoidable difficulties from time to time but with that quality of happiness and joy which comes from the simple effortless pleasures of life, any of it's stresses or strains become greatly lessened. Instead of becoming mountains they remain molehills.
evo4ata - I seriously hope you will change your outlook on life and make it more balanced and positive, especially if you intend to have children.
Thank you for opinions every one
I dont deny the joyful part of life but to me it doesnt deserve to suffer the hard part just to experience these few happy moments
I might be having this nihilistic view because I am working in a hospital and all what I see is people in pain, maybe you can imagine what I mean if you see a chronicly sick person or a dying kid
Anyway
I am sure that everyone perceives life in a different way but I guess we all agree on that it is not an easy journey and we must work so hard to get these joyful moments, yet we dont always get what we want and we cannt control the daily drama or the events which happen to us
One thing I am sure about so far
I will keep my unborn kids resting in the eternal peace of the non-existance :roll:
we might not be able to control the drama of daily life, but if we keep our goals in mind and are willing to make sacrifices elsewhere, we can accomplish just about anything
Why do I want to bring a human into this cruel world?Quote:
Originally Posted by evo4ata
Because nature somehow compels us to. We need to eat to survive. We need the society of family and friends. We feel the need to find someone of the opposite sex to share our lives with. We feel a need to have a baby. It is in our genetic information.
Mmmmm yes baby meat is very tender, like veal.Quote:
Originally Posted by newnothing
Hmm. I never wanted children when I was a theist, mainly because I saw the world as cruel and evil. But now I'm atheist I finally understand that there are 5 billion deluded morons in the world, and now I may have children so that I can add intelligence and education to the world which desperatley needs it...
:shock:Quote:
Mmmmm yes baby meat is very tender, like veal.
Some people have dirtier minds than others, some have more hornier minds than those dirtier. Some are just talking about food... :twisted:Quote:
Originally Posted by tritai
Should I be more disturbed by these people themselves or the fact that you yourself can think like them and recognize them?Quote:
Some people have dirtier minds than others, some have more hornier minds than those dirtier. Some are just talking about food...
:wink:
Oh I'm not thinking of what she means. Just that I know she does, like most adults...find Innudeo's everywhere.
Suuuuuure. That's what they all say.
I know you, you big bad wolf. Somewhere, somewhere you have some deep, ulterior motives. I've got my eyes on you. :shock:
LoL
I thought Big Bad Wolves would eat any meat going?
Yes I am sick and I need help.........does anyone have a spare freezer they don't want?
Actually I thought about that idea once for a story, about people having babies to eat because they were starving and there was no other food, but it wouldn't work, because humans normally only have one baby, and the amount of time and energy it takes to produce one is far more than the energy which would be put back if you then ate the baby. It would work if we gave birth to more babies like dogs, than we could fatten them up a bit and eat them all bar one.
Eating another living creature is wrong... I just wish they'd hurry up and invent Star Trek replicas so I can enjoy a steak again....
Who said eating another living creature is wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Wolf
Who is making these rules up??!!!
If the majority of creatures walking this planet didn't eat other living creatures they wouldn't exist!
I would like to see this authoritative rule book on right and wrong please which everyone seems to quote from!!
I don't feel it right to kill another living creature for food when I can eat something else and live without the need for the death of an animal. Non-human animals do not understand that... yet...
Do what you want, I just think humankind is more mature than it was before and does not need to kill animals for food anymore. We are nature and this may be a new natural step. Its nature in me that appauls eating animals, so that must be nature and the preservation of something greater coming out. I also find it interesting that there is a positive correlation between intelligence and vegetarianism.
This is not evidence for that but an interesting blog non the less. I read half of this but I get the gist...
http://mangans.blogspot.com/2006/12/...-leads-to.html
PS How literal you are both taking 'Bad Wolf'. I find it hunerous. *chuckles*
I'm not sure how I'd feel about eating an artificial steak, because my reasons for being a vegetarian are so extensive and vague.
You do realize that plants are living too right? And, it's possible that they may have "feelings". So what are you going to live on now? Plastic? :PQuote:
I don't feel it right to kill another living creature for food when I can eat something else and live without the need for the death of an animal.
Well, duh. It's not often you meet someone named Bad Wolf. Especially when that someone can actually make good arguments. Also, your real name is much more dull than BW: did you know that your name means "garland or crown"?Quote:
PS How literal you are both taking 'Bad Wolf'. I find it hunerous. *chuckles*
:lol: How manly.
Plastics are made from oil, which is a substance formed from dead plants and animals from millions of years ago ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tritai
Yes: dead plants & animals. Wolfie here has qualms about living creatures, I figure million year old organic stuff won't hurt him.
And YOU, drowsy turtle, don't YOU be joining forces with him! I need all the help I can get!
.....I do believe I just dissed myself. :?
You have your steak so rare it's still mooing, do you? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by tritai
Us veggies have to stick together! Otherwise we tend to get meat thrown at us... :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by tritai
Better than having someone else do it for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by tritai
I'm actually a vegetarian
Actually a Pescetarian because I eat the liddle fishies too.
I don't really eat babies.
I was just joking.....sigh
Is it just me, or do you sound...wistful? LoLQuote:
I don't really eat babies.
I was just joking.....sigh
Ha, look at this lil link about different types of eaters! It's like, all emotional and stuff
http://www.healthandgoodness.com/wei...er_are_you.htm
Wistful?? Mmm? Self-analysis time.....lolQuote:
Originally Posted by tritai
Blimey I didn't realise eating could be so emotional.
I usually eat when my stomach growls and threatens to join the circus as a trapeze artist
Ooooh i feel shit now.....where's the chocolate...........
Shite. I'm going to have to rethink some really interesting logic and philosophies to find eating plants ok. And what turtle said is really going to boggle and slow down that philosophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by tritai
Thanks. I guess. :roll: Stephen actually (other than those) means more in different languages. One means 'King'. my middle names also mean 'conqueror', 'famous with the spear', and 'beloved'. My surname also means 'desire', and 'maer'.Quote:
Well, duh. It's not often you meet someone named Bad Wolf. Especially when that someone can actually make good arguments. Also, your real name is much more dull than BW: did you know that your name means "garland or crown"?Quote:
PS How literal you are both taking 'Bad Wolf'. I find it hunerous. *chuckles*
:lol: How manly.
Stephen:
"He is strong and active knows which direction to take in life. He is fun to be with".
O'RELY? :shock:
Fun fact:
With my middle names you can also spell:
'The Doctor'.
Ah, my desirable garland who is famous with the spear! My beloved king who knows which direction to go! Oh, holy fun-loving conqueror, how I long to be with you! Oh Doctor, my Doctor!
:twisted:
Well, i'll have YOU know that my first name means "immortal", my middle name (what a coincidence!) does indeed mean thirst or desire :roll: , and my last name means powerful person. I am an Aries and guess what? This is what they say about me:
The Liar: Outgoing. Lovable. Spontaneous. Not one to mess with. Brilliant. The elite. Funny. EXTREMELY adorable. Addictive. Loud. Sarcastic. Will never leave your side.
THE DEVILISH ANGEL.
Pssh, yeah rite. Cause I am SOO cute, no? "Extremely adorable". What have
they been smoking?
"I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee or a ragout." - Jonathan SwiftQuote:
Originally Posted by Absum!
http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html
I am indescribably disturbed. I almost upchucked my cookie. :shock:Quote:
I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee or a ragout." - Jonathan Swift
http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html
That's beautiful!Quote:
Originally Posted by i_feel_tiredsleepy
Now we know what to do with overpopulation
I'd definitely try a slice if it was washed down with a good strong red
I'm not sure if this link is entirely factual, but I think that this is horrendous.
Link regarding Scientist Eric Pianka's thoughts on overpopulation along with a few other people:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...assculling.htm
I dunno, maybe it exaggerates. But this article sort of scared me. I didn't know people could be so...nonchalant about death.
:?
No... :P Come to think of it, that kind of really sums up The Doctor doesn't it... Here we go again. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tritai
Ulp! I'd hate to meet you in a dark alley in 10 years. Powerful and desiring. I think I'll avoid the states for a few more decades...Quote:
Well, i'll have YOU know that my first name means "immortal", my middle name (what a coincidence!) does indeed mean thirst or desire :roll: , and my last name means powerful person.
You're not kidding. Outgoing, definatley at least on this forum. Bit of bias there though. :p Lovable and spontaneous. You are sort of like my little sister so yes I can say that you are. You have a sharp side so I wouldn't challenge you unless I was positive I was going to win. Brilliant you are clever and witty. Elite? Maybe petite for the moment...Quote:
Outgoing. Lovable. Spontaneous. Not one to mess with. Brilliant. The elite. Funny. EXTREMELY adorable. Addictive. Loud. Sarcastic. Will never leave your side.
Now stop it with these wierd cherishing words. I can't return the favour, people'll think I'm wierd.
THE DEVILISH ANGEL.
You have your moments of humour, mainly your forwardness :-D. Adorable. I don't know, that might be limited to people who like you.
Everything else seems about right.
Now stop all the wierd cherishing and wind me ups :lol:. I can't return the favour or people'll think I'm wierd... :o
By the way...
http://www.jewishjournal.com/images/...sty-762336.jpg
I'm 5'1" and 3/4 ill have u know. I'm not some 6-7 ft tall freak.Quote:
You're not kidding. Outgoing, definatley at least on this forum. Bit of bias there though. Lovable and spontaneous. You are sort of like my little sister so yes I can say that you are. You have a sharp side so I wouldn't challenge you unless I was positive I was going to win. Brilliant you are clever and witty. Elite? Maybe petite for the moment...
You have your moments of humour, mainly your forwardness . Adorable. I don't know, that might be limited to people who like you.
Everything else seems about right.
Now stop all the wierd cherishing and wind me ups . I can't return the favour or people'll think I'm wierd...
Are you trying to tell me you don't like me? -immediately tears up- :(
I'm not a rapist Stephen, calm down. Deeeeep breaths, that's right. Through the nose. Innn and ouuut.Quote:
Powerful and desiring. I think I'll avoid the states for a few more decades...
It's spelled "weird". And narcissim is nothing to be ashamed of, stephen. If you'd like, I can link you one of those "How to Come Out to Your Parents" pamphlets which are really meant for gay people, but I think you'll live. .All you have to do is substitute the right word. :pQuote:
Now stop all the wierd cherishing and wind me ups . I can't return the favour or people'll think I'm wierd...
Petite means small, BTW.
I know. I was trying to act like it's cool to be short; guess not.Quote:
Petite means small, BTW.
-sigh-
Stupid genes.
Ha that was some pretty famous slander back in 2006.Quote:
Originally Posted by tritai
Forest Mimms who told the press about this is a member of the Discovery Institute, which is a ID/creationist group. Dr. Pianka is a very well known evolutionary biologist.
Pianka was talking about what he thought would happen if people kept breeding the way they do, he was saying that infectious disease would eventually get out of control and kill 90% of the population. Apparently Mimms has very selective memory and decided to go to the press and tell everyone that evolutionary biologist support genocide.
I'm serious now guys, stop it... Ceiling cat is looking.. Theres a hole in my ceiling...
I'm glad it isnt true. My outlook on humanity is bleak enough as it is. :?Quote:
Ha that was some pretty famous slander back in 2006.
Forest Mimms who told the press about this is a member of the Discovery Institute, which is a ID/creationist group. Dr. Pianka is a very well known evolutionary biologist.
Pianka was talking about what he thought would happen if people kept breeding the way they do, he was saying that infectious disease would eventually get out of control and kill 90% of the population. Apparently Mimms has very selective memory and decided to go to the press and tell everyone that evolutionary biologist support genocide.
What?Quote:
I'm serious now guys, stop it... Ceiling cat is looking.. Theres a hole in my ceiling...
This ceiling cat?
http://www.americajin.com/wp-content...vational-2.jpg
I'm going to pretend I can't see that last word on the picture.... :roll:
It does rather beg the question, why is ceiling cat watching you :bugeye:
-catching on-
Yeeahh, BW, what DO you do behind closed doors? Never mind. Don't answer that. I forget you're 21.
:shock:
Ya what me and my friend Hans Wright do behind closed doors is between us.Quote:
Originally Posted by tritai
:bugeye:
Don't they say God created man in his own image?
He must have a goofy sense of humor.
:twisted:
Now why do they say that God created man in his own image?Quote:
Originally Posted by tritai
Heehee! Ceiling Cat
You've sinned. Let us now redeem ourselves by saying Raptor Jesus' prayer:
Our Raptor,
Whose art is h/entai,
Shopped be Thy face;
Thy donations come,
Thy posts be done
in /b/ as it is in /h/eaven.
Give us this day our daily Bridget
and forgive us our trolling
as we forgive those who troll against us,
and lead us not into faggotry,
but deliver us from fur/ries
In the name of the Longcat, the Raptor, and the Holy Server,
Amen.
Oh my god, Stephen, you do porn too? How else would you know what hentai is? I had to look it up, and thought at first it was a martial art or something, and then..... :oops:
Tch, tch. grownups these days. what a shame.
:wink:
Oh god the internet memes.
4chan infects everything.
Timwotei! Timwotei!
Stop prying. IMA CHARGIN MAH LAZER!
I guess we need babies becuase we just want em :p o_0 ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, wait a minutes , i dont really know why i need but i have always wanted to have 2-3 kids :-) aah my beautiful wife ;)
It's the one unequivocal and certain purpose of life.
I want kids, because they primarily lack intelligence.
And when they grow up, they'll realise i treated them like children, because that's what they were, and I knew that.
How about trying that again without the attempt at sounding philosophical.Quote:
Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver
Give him a break. That's the first coherent post he has ever made.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaleoichneumHow about trying that again without the attempt at sounding philosophical.Quote:
Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver
Thats a bit bleek isnt it? Out of curiosity, whats the color of the place you live on this map?Quote:
"For the non religious, why to bring more humans to this chaotic hard and meaningless life ?"
File:GINIretouchedcolors.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For the record, anyone not regularly visiting the site who posted on this thread before post 59, ar not going to even know its active again, so there isnt much point in trying to question the pre-2012 posts.
[[QUOTE=John Galt;309424]Give him a break. That's the first coherent post he has ever made.[/QUOTEQuote:
Originally Posted by PaleoichneumHow about trying that again without the attempt at sounding philosophical.Quote:
Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver
You mean we have spent time doing the same thing, an awakening?
M<y point?
Live and let live.
Surely the wrong answers will come and be apparent.......
No, I love kids, especially my own......
No, I don't mean that at all. What, in any of this train of posts, suggests that I think we have spent time doing the same thing? What made you ask such a bizarre, off-topic, irrelevant question? What made you think it might somehow have relevance to anything here?Quote:
Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver[Quote:
Originally Posted by John GaltGive him a break. That's the first coherent post he has ever made.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaleoichneumHow about trying that again without the attempt at sounding philosophical.Quote:
Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver
You mean we have spent time doing the same thing, an awakening?
M<y point?
Live and let live.
Surely the wrong answers will come and be apparent.......
No, I love kids, especially my own......
In regard to wrong answers there is one category that is always apparent: posts by yourself. Now, will you please make an effort to make coherent, comprehensible posts. If you do not make such an effort I shall agitate, plead, plot, politic and cajole for your banning from this forum.
I have a friend who had a baby just because she was lonely. That's actually how she described it. She hooked up with some guy she knew wasn't going to stay with her and got knocked up. She has a pretty decent career, so it's not like she's putting a strain on society. A lot of women just get cats, but some of them them have babies instead.
If you ask Mormons, a lot of them just believe God commanded them to have lots and lots of kids to "replenish the Earth". That part always makes me laugh. I'm all like: "Replenish?!?!?!? Really!?!?!? Cause...... the Earth is just so empty right now?"
That's a great example of how religion is usually right (I mean successful) for the wrong reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by kojax
I will have kids someday, but not through a marriage. I have already begun deciding upon how I want my life to be lived and in what ways to have kids with the most beneficial genes. I've thought of finding a surrogate mother with attributes and genetic qualities that seem exceptional and pass my genes on through them. I don't intend to have an actual wife as they tend to leave and take everything or at least that is what I have witnessed over the course of my life. I'm 22 and I am sure many kids my age will think the same. I don't think I'm alone on this, but I may be in the minority. In short, I'm taking the scientific route to successful offspring. I'm just not sure how that will be done just yet... Or, the criteria one must meet.
Since the success of one's offspring is contingent upon nurture as well as nature how do you plan to provide a well balanced, positive, inspiring home environment without a wife? Nannies? Tutors? AIs?
I'm not so sure about that. Again, it's not exactly planned out to the fullest. It's just an idea that I want to realize in some way. I don't believe a wife is a necessity to achieving a positive/inspiring home environment. That's like saying homosexual households can't raise kids in a positive manner. I just don't believe a man and woman guarantee a strong household.
There seems to be evidence, however, that a loving environment with multiple persons, whether it be two of the same sex, single parent with extended family, ect works better than just a single parent.
I could give them a loving environment and nurture them with hugs and kisses, invite the family over to do the same. I just wonder... is a mother necessary? Is there a way around me getting married to someone that may send a cop to the house handing me divorce papers ten years down the road? I feel it's very possible that this would happen and want to limit risks on my household right now. As well, I don't want to lose anything I have financially acquired over the course of my life.
So you are going to convey to your child a believe system and an expectation that those who love you one day will shit on you another day. Hmm. I'm not sure that's such a great idea.
I don't believe that is what I was intentionally trying to convey, but hear me out. I consider divorce something unwanted for both me and my unborn child. I could raise them the classical way and see how it fairs, but the child would only grow to find divorce a realistic circumstance that does indeed happen and may happen to his/her parents. My parents were married for 17 years and my mom divorced my dad when I was 10 years old. I went with my dad as my mom had bipolar and was unstable (i still talk to her and love her). If anything, some kind of prenuptial agreement may sway me towards marriage. However, I would expect that day one and expect my kids to do the same (there is nothing wrong with guarding yourself from a possible divorce). I find more of a problem being ignorant to such an idea as divorce than recognizing it as a possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Galt
OK. I accept you are sincere in your concerns and understand that your viewpoint (as is mine) will be influenced by your direct experiences. I think I am just urging you to think through all the ramifications of any decisions you do reach.
I'm glad you've given me more questions than answers. You're a good forum user and have pushed me to think this through more and more. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by John Galt
The basic essence of humans is to have kids, its built in our genes, and it is something that will make you high on life, it is just a life experience like no other, and that's why I would like to have kids.
We understand, I think, that certain pivotal decisions we make change the entire course of our lives. I can readily see how actions I could have taken in the past could have led to a present where I was wealthier and - however you wish to define it - more successful. But if I were suddenly offered the opportunity to go back and change those pivotal decisions I would not. Why? In most instances they would lead me down a path where my children would no longer exist. Sure, there might be other children, but not the ones I actually have. Wealth and success would be poor substitutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by slavenenco
I agree with you totally, there is no money in this world that could mach the value of that experienceQuote:
Originally Posted by John GaltWe understand, I think, that certain pivotal decisions we make change the entire course of our lives. I can readily see how actions I could have taken in the past could have led to a present where I was wealthier and - however you wish to define it - more successful. But if I were suddenly offered the opportunity to go back and change those pivotal decisions I would not. Why? In most instances they would lead me down a path where my children would no longer exist. Sure, there might be other children, but not the ones I actually have. Wealth and success would be poor substitutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by slavenenco
Apparently us Atheist/Apatheist eat our children, that's why we have them. :roll:
LOL, seriously though... It's an opinion that people have children to feel complete. Being married is great, but can your marriage provide you everything you need? Children are great, stressful at times, but great. I have 2 children and one on the way, I couldn't be more happier. My motives for having children were to feel complete and share more love. I'm sure religious people have children to raise their zombie army.