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    Relative.

    I think it puts the age old discussion between the two sides in perfect light.

    (It's a video by the way, simple stick drawings but hilarious, and true).

    Some believe in God or Jesus, yet say not Thor, or Vishnu. They are the same entities yet Christians most probably won't believe in them. Now if I offer say Norse religious explanations of the world, the Christians, or Muslims or whoever will not believe me and call it rubbish and 'not real' Seeing that, you know what atheists feel towards any religious belief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperflyTNT
    Relative.

    I think it puts the age old discussion between the two sides in perfect light.

    (It's a video by the way, simple stick drawings but hilarious, and true).

    Some believe in God or Jesus, yet say not Thor, or Vishnu. They are the same entities yet Christians most probably won't believe in them. Now if I offer say Norse religious explanations of the world, the Christians, or Muslims or whoever will not believe me and call it rubbish and 'not real' Seeing that, you know what atheists feel towards any religious belief.

    But please, enjoy the video....
    bias and stupid, why are talking about atheism. Is it a religion?


    verzin says: Christians believe in a god that murders kills people.......
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    I see this argument as a typical pre-concept of people, which never showed a real interest to understand the bible, and the reason of certain things, why they happened. If i explain you, what Gods intent was, and the reason, these things happened, you will certainly come with the next argument, and then the next. And the final will be, no outcome, or change of opinion. I am quit sure, you have made up your mind already, don't you ?
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    Bias and stupid? How do you make that out? It's just a humerous cartoon and not meant to be a serious scientific or religious study.

    I just posted it to compare how religions and other godly beliefs are akin to each other. I assume you are Christian (I might be wrong) and so you understand that you might see Hinduism as rubbish and perhaps Islam too. In the same way I would see Egyptian religion and Christian religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperflyTNT
    Bias and stupid? How do you make that out? It's just a humerous cartoon and not meant to be a serious scientific or religious study.

    I just posted it to compare how religions and other godly beliefs are akin to each other. I assume you are Christian (I might be wrong) and so you understand that you might see Hinduism as rubbish and perhaps Islam too. In the same way I would see Egyptian religion and Christian religion.
    mm no, do you think for me and i have friends who are in the religion that you think i think it is rubish.lol atheist , am offended.
    verzin says: Christians believe in a god that murders kills people.......
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    I see this argument as a typical pre-concept of people, which never showed a real interest to understand the bible, and the reason of certain things, why they happened. If i explain you, what Gods intent was, and the reason, these things happened, you will certainly come with the next argument, and then the next. And the final will be, no outcome, or change of opinion. I am quit sure, you have made up your mind already, don't you ?
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    Thanks superfly. Even though my appendix was ripped out of me, that put a smile on my face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperflyTNT
    I assume you are Christian (I might be wrong) and so you understand that you might see Hinduism as rubbish and perhaps Islam too. In the same way I would see Egyptian religion and Christian religion.
    Yeah, atheists say that sort of thing a lot, but it doesn't really work. Atheists and theists usually have very different reasons for rejecting specific religions. An atheist would reject, say, Islam, because they don't believe in gods. A Christian, on the other hand, would reject Islam because they already believe in a god, and their preferred god isn't compatible with Islam.

    It's like the difference between someone who doesn't buy any vanilla icecream because they don't like icecream vs. someone who doesn't buy it because they already have strawberry icecream.
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    Interesting analogy scifor. But do atheists get an ice cream? Or don't atheists get one if they don't believe in a religion even if they hold beliefs on it. I believe a different look on religion even if that means not believing in it, is still a flavour.

    This is very interesting. I used to debate the other side of the fence, but this is just WOW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperflyTNT
    I assume you are Christian (I might be wrong) and so you understand that you might see Hinduism as rubbish and perhaps Islam too. In the same way I would see Egyptian religion and Christian religion.
    Yeah, atheists say that sort of thing a lot, but it doesn't really work. Atheists and theists usually have very different reasons for rejecting specific religions. An atheist would reject, say, Islam, because they don't believe in gods. A Christian, on the other hand, would reject Islam because they already believe in a god, and their preferred god isn't compatible with Islam.

    It's like the difference between someone who doesn't buy any vanilla icecream because they don't like icecream vs. someone who doesn't buy it because they already have strawberry icecream.
    I'm just wondering if Scifor knows that Allah and the Christian God are the SAME GOD . And so is the Jewish God as well. They are ALL the same God and they ALL come from Abraham.
    Islam also believes that Jesus was a prophet. They just believe that Muhammad was a prophet as well.
    So your analogy doesn't really work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by verzen
    I'm just wondering if Scifor knows that Allah and the Christian God are the SAME GOD ...
    So your analogy doesn't really work.
    A christian would probably disagree.
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    In that way its sort of like vanilla ice cream. One (Christian) is whippy. One is cornish (Islam). And gelato (Jewish).

    Same flavour, different presentation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperflyTNT
    In that way its sort of like vanilla ice cream. One (Christian) is whippy. One is cornish (Islam). And gelato (Jewish).

    Same flavour, different presentation.
    Yes and no. Although they claim to worship the "same" deity, the actual theology is very different. But it's kind of silly to argue over whether or not one fictional being is the "same" as another fictional being. It's not like it's possible to demonstrate who is right if people disagree on it.
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    Ok so some like sauce and some like flakes or sprinkles or both or neither. They're still eating the same ice cream flavour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperflyTNT
    Interesting analogy scifor. But do atheists get an ice cream? Or don't atheists get one if they don't believe in a religion even if they hold beliefs on it. I believe a different look on religion even if that means not believing in it, is still a flavour.

    This is very interesting. I used to debate the other side of the fence, but this is just WOW.
    No, if you want to use my analogy where each religion is a specific flavor of ice cream, then the atheist probably has no ice cream.

    Not that it really matters; my point is that atheists and theists DONT reject specific gods for the same reason. If you ask a Christian why they don't believe in Hinduism, you probably won't get a logical explanation of why they think Hinduism doesn't make sense or is rationally impossible. They'll just usually say "I know it isn't true because I believe the Bible," or something similar. It's not like they systematically examined each religion and concluded that Christianity (or whatever) was the only one that made sense.
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    I've seen both sides of this argument and I can say, I tasted the same flavour and toppings. And after tastng another flavour I can tell you now, I hope that I never go back to vanilla.

    You are trying to taste another set of toppings to another type of the same ice cream. The texture will mix and seem confusing. All I have to do is taste the vanilla ice cream you all eat and I instantly can tell its different to strawberry (which for arguments sake I'll call atheists flavour (agnostics can be cosmopolitan)).

    Anyway. I see vanilla as vanilla. You see it as vanilla with your own toppings, the toppings don't matter to me because the flavour is way different to mine and I can taste the difference much better than you can., thats why your religion and someone elses are the same to me, because they are the same flavour. But to you there is only one flavour and one set of toppings.

    I've tasted both. I know.
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    I hate you both...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperflyTNT
    I assume you are Christian (I might be wrong) and so you understand that you might see Hinduism as rubbish and perhaps Islam too. In the same way I would see Egyptian religion and Christian religion.
    Yeah, atheists say that sort of thing a lot, but it doesn't really work. Atheists and theists usually have very different reasons for rejecting specific religions. An atheist would reject, say, Islam, because they don't believe in gods. A Christian, on the other hand, would reject Islam because they already believe in a god, and their preferred god isn't compatible with Islam.

    It's like the difference between someone who doesn't buy any vanilla icecream because they don't like icecream vs. someone who doesn't buy it because they already have strawberry icecream.
    hmm... i like how you put that into perspective.
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