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  1. #1 Creationism and Torture 
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    Creationists try and use metaphors like the 747 argument, or the ruler across the universe. Usually these metaphors are arbitrary or based on faulty biology. They are designed to shock you, not give scientific reasons. I've heard that in torture one tries to overwelm you with stimulus (shock) in order to get you to cave (I don't know how successful this is). Do you think these things are the similar?


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    don't you think that's a rather stretched analogy ?


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    AFAIK interrogators as often employ mercilessly sound logic to deconstruct the subject's beliefs and motives. We stand on shakier ground than we'd like to admit. Having the rug pulled out leaves people lost, helpless, even malleable in case we wish to recruit them.
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    I almost want to be tortured just to see how effective it would be on me. And waterboarding is hilariously not "torturous". If I have no fear of dying I won't give up any information. Even if it's "My favorite color is X". True terror tends to come from knowing you very well could die, and that you're repeatedly at the mercy of whoever is pulling the strings ripping at your flesh. Then the terror shifts, and becomes another agonizing moment of the constant pain flooding your brain. In the end you beg for death rather than beg for survival, and that's the OLD FASHIONED way to breaking someone. THAT is torture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golkarian
    Creationists try and use metaphors like the 747 argument, or the ruler across the universe. Usually these metaphors are arbitrary or based on faulty biology. They are designed to shock you, not give scientific reasons. I've heard that in torture one tries to overwelm you with stimulus (shock) in order to get you to cave (I don't know how successful this is). Do you think these things are the similar?
    Torture survives because the OT and the NT teach it.

    The OT teaches it as punishment for committing sin.
    So Adam and Eve were condemned to suffer. Eve in childberth and Adam in toiling in the fields.
    In the NT, it was the chauvinist jews that condemned Christ to be crucified because of his sermons toward jewish chauvinism.

    So my opinion?

    This is nonsense.

    NATURE does not teach a toturous life. Death is not drawn out for prolonged pain and during these breif interems , the body realeses ENDORPHINS that are natural pain killers.

    So Nature is a 'merciful GOD'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golkarian
    Creationists try and use metaphors like the 747 argument...
    I like it when they use that argument as it is so easy to show it backfire in their faces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    don't you think that's a rather stretched analogy ?
    Certainly if I was talking about it in a moral sense (we should ban torture but no matter how stupid, not creationism). However I was talking about the logic behind it, since I not only believe torture to be morally wrong (where the metaphor would have to be stretched), but also illogical (like creationism).

    Also it is less of an analogy, and more of a comparison. I'm saying creationism has similarities with torture. If it were an analogy it would not just be stretched but probably hypocritical as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by (Q)
    Quote Originally Posted by Golkarian
    Creationists try and use metaphors like the 747 argument...
    I like it when they use that argument as it is so easy to show it backfire in their faces.
    Assuming they give you enough time to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golkarian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golkarian
    Creationists try and use metaphors like the 747 argument...
    I like it when they use that argument as it is so easy to show it backfire in their faces.
    Assuming they give you enough time to speak.
    Or take enough time to listen.
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    Nobody listens to anything ever, unless it's something they've already agreed with.
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