Thread: please remove science from religion

Only when science becomes certain, like religions, should they be allowed to mingle.

As long as science is based on the Uncertainty Principle and particles are waves that are probability-clouds, and light has no time to travel ... and electrons are simultaneously attracted and repelled by protons ... I mean until science gets at least SOME order to it ... until then it should not tarnish or dilute the relative rock-solid values, principles and dogma of gods and their religions.

This strikes me as one of the most bizarre, nonsensical, contradictory posts I have read on this or any other forum.

Only when science becomes certain

One might as well say "only when rabbits become cabbages", "only when orange becomes Australia".
Science is based upon uncertainty. That is its beauty and its strength. The conclusions of science - whether we call them hypotheses, theories or laws - are always provisional. When new evidence is found, or a fresh interpretation emerges, the conclusions may change, or be strengthened. Science is not only prepared to consider alternative explanations, when the evidence warrants this, but is obliged to: that is a key part of its methodology.

Only when science becomes certain, like religions, should they be allowed to mingle.

How exactly do science and religion mingle. Who or what is the authority that permits or probibits mingling?
Science is an objective, logical, systematic approach to our view of the world. Religion provides a spiritual, emotional, emotive world view. These cannot mingle, yet they are intimately related: they are opposite sides of the same coin.

As long as science is based on the Uncertainty Principle

Perhaps you would care to expand upon exactly how science (by implication all science) is based on Heisenberg.

particles are waves that are probability-clouds

Why do you find this problematic?

light has no time to travel

?

and electrons are simultaneously attracted and repelled by protons

Citations please.

I mean until science gets at least SOME order to it

Science is filled with order: the equations that describe everything from orbital motion to eutectic crystallisation, the classifications systems that define the inter-relationships between igneous rocks, or the cladograms of the biologist. Any science in its infancy is a desriptive science and organising those descriptions one of its main goals.

the relative rock-solid values, principles and dogma of gods and their religions.

Realtive versus rock-solid? Rock solid versus dogma?

I have to assume all this was posted with your tongue very firmly in your cheek. I do hope you will confirm this hypothesis shortly. Of course, with different evidence I am prepared to consider the possibility that you are simply crazy.

Well we actually dont have a SCI supportive religions (among the major ones at least).

Futurism with its teachings of "continuos development and progress of Humanity" is not yet BIG.

What about "Scientology" whats this all about? Sounds "Scientific" to me.

Realians with its cloning efforts ? Well now that they use it for propaganda tool. but when they get big.. we get another dogma system!?

Originally Posted by Katulus

What about "Scientology" whats this all about? Sounds "Scientific" to me.

The only science in Scientology is science fiction . L.Ron Hubbard's most imaginative work by far.

I think the original poster was being sarcastic.

I assumed so. I just wanted to see if we had any scientologists on the forum I could lure into a frank and meaningful discussion.
[Also, I have huge admiration for Hubbard. If you are going to be a con artist do it big.]

Originally Posted by Ophiolite

I assumed so. I just wanted to see if we had any scientologists on the forum I could lure into a frank and meaningful discussion.
[Also, I have huge admiration for Hubbard. If you are going to be a con artist do it big.]

I say that often too.

Originally Posted by Ophiolite

This strikes me as one of the most bizarre, nonsensical, contradictory posts I have read on this or any other forum.
.....
I have to assume all this was posted with your tongue very firmly in your cheek. I do hope you will confirm this hypothesis shortly. Of course, with different evidence I am prepared to consider the possibility that you are simply crazy.

Far, far beyond your wildest dreams: I personify the insanity that the mind and its "life" needs to be Reality's "nothing" fiction, thoughts.

Do a search for "UV-gap" with Google. A UV-gap is the same as physics' quantum-gap except it includes ALL thoughts including those belonging to all the humanities and all the theologies.

-- simply crazy

Also, most of the time it is religion trying to "mingle" with science. Not the other way around.

Ever heard of Inteligent Design? What about the Pennsilvania and Nebraska court cases? In that case, overly religous parents were trying to force Intelegant Design into science class rooms (and suceeded in Nebraska).

Originally Posted by Ophiolite

[Also, I have huge admiration for Hubbard. If you are going to be a con artist do it big.]

This is close to my attitude towards Joseph Smith.