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  1. #1 God's science and mans science 
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    Science has made so many mistakes its not funny.

    I tried to point out Voltaire made an assumptive mistake when he said voltage is proportional to current. I'm not saying what the mistake is though.

    In the end, a scientist is just a human being who sees what he wants to see and does not see what he does not want to see. So error is a question of perception.

    Or you could say science made no mistakes but just created a science for the people who worship power only. But there is another aspect to perception besides power, and so there is a whole other way of looking at the world.

    Take E=mc-squared for example, the E is really power and is at the front because our attitude is that power is all-important.
    In fact we think that all events are caused by effort and that there is no other way to cause events to happen. And so were obsessed by force, energy, and power concepts. But there IS another way.

    As a clue I will say things fall and the falling has nothing to do with applied effort.
    You may say the curvature of space makes the things fall, or things fall because they reject the curvature of space.

    In any event, a scientist should know the truth about being "objective". For years I thought it meant being aloof and separate from the world so that you can assess the world correctly from a distant vantage point like a soaring eagle -- but in reality it means you allow your mind to kowtow to the world, and so once your mind is immersed in the detail of the world, the whole (not big) picture is lost from your sight: you can't see wood for trees.

    As christian scientists you should see the mind is part of nature as well, and so order can be in the mind as easily as it can be sort in the world. Thus seeing the truth is worshiping the mind and not allowing it to kowtow to the world.

    The world is fallen. A fallen world is false, full of lies. Thus we must be subjective to sort out the truth from the lies in the picture the world is presenting.

    One huge mistake of objective science was that it was assummed quality cannot measured and only quantity can be measured -- totally false.[/b]


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    Does that mean you're planning on taking up cave-dwelling?


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    Quote Originally Posted by raymond ellis
    Science has made so many mistakes its not funny.
    It seems you have a simplistic, distorted, inaccurate view of science.
    Science is a methodology and as such is not capable of making mistakes, of being wrong, or of being right.
    Applying this methodology can lead to provisional conclusions that are subsequently found to be in error. The strength of science is that these errors can be brought to light by application of the methodology.
    Quote Originally Posted by raymond ellis
    I tried to point out Voltaire made an assumptive mistake when he said voltage is proportional to current. I'm not saying what the mistake is though.
    1. It has been explained to you on another thread that you probably meant Volta. Now that was a funny mistake. Can we look forward to more of the same from you?
    2. So, you won't tell us what this mistake is? Once again you demonstrate your wholesale ignorance of science. Science requires the exchange of information, not the juvenile screeching of 'I've got a secret and I'm not telling'.
    Quote Originally Posted by raymond ellis
    In the end, a scientist is just a human being who sees what he wants to see and does not see what he does not want to see. So error is a question of perception.
    Which is why scientific methodology is so important as a way of removing bias and ensuring repeatability of experiment and falsifiability of hypotheses.
    Quote Originally Posted by raymond ellis
    Or you could say science made no mistakes but just created a science for the people who worship power only.
    You could say that. I have better things to do with my time.
    Quote Originally Posted by raymond ellis
    Take E=mc-squared for example, the E is really power and is at the front because our attitude is that power is all-important.
    In fact we think that all events are caused by effort and that there is no other way to cause events to happen. And so were obsessed by force, energy, and power concepts. But there IS another way.

    As a clue
    I will say things fall and the falling has nothing to do with applied effort.
    You may say the curvature of space makes the things fall, or things fall because they reject the curvature of space.
    No. Screw the clues. Say what you mean.
    Quote Originally Posted by raymond ellis
    One huge mistake of objective science was that it was assummed quality cannot measured and only quantity can be measured -- totally false.
    Cite a single example of this to illustrate what you mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raymond ellis
    Take E=mc-squared for example, the E is really power and is at the front because our attitude is that power is all-important.
    In fact we think that all events are caused by effort and that there is no other way to cause events to happen. And so were obsessed by force, energy, and power concepts. But there IS another way.
    Sure, you can also say C=(E/m)^0.5!

    One huge mistake of objective science was that it was assummed quality cannot measured and only quantity can be measured -- totally false.
    Sure, but you need some way to quantify quality!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee
    One huge mistake of objective science was that it was assummed quality cannot measured and only quantity can be measured -- totally false.
    Sure, but you need some way to quantify quality!
    I think the point here is that he want to call his subjective evaluations of quality, measurements, so that he can pretend that his personal religion or philosophy is the same as science or some nonsense like that.

    Or.... It is possible that he buys into atheist rhetoric that science supports an atheist point of view and so he thinks that has to recreate science so that it is compatable with his personal religion or philosophy.
    See my physics of spaceflight simulator at http://www.relspace.astahost.com

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