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    The Strugatsky brothers (Arkady and Boris Strugatsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) are probably the greatest Russian sci-fi writers of all times. In some of their books they wrote about progressors - human specialists in history, xenopsychology, etc. In the distant future, when the humanity had grown far more scientifically and ethically advanced than it is now, those progressors settled on various planets with developing humanoid societies, disguised themselves, penetrated the power institutions and observed the progress of the society, subtly interfering now and then and preventing the emergence of destructive tendencies (such as fascism, for example).


    Finally we found out that there were alien progressors among us, too. Only they either came too late, or found it unnecessary or impossible to stand in the way of our catastrophes.


    Just interesting - what's your opinion? Does a hypothetically advanced civilization have a right to influence the history of a hypothetically developing civilization (provided that it bears no threat to the first one)?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilya_Gromov View Post
    Just interesting - what's your opinion? Does a hypothetically advanced civilization have a right to influence the history of a hypothetically developing civilization (provided that it bears no threat to the first one)?
    I think I have to side with the Federation on this one.


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    great question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilya_Gromov View Post
    The Strugatsky brothers (Arkady and Boris Strugatsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) are probably the greatest Russian sci-fi writers of all times. In some of their books they wrote about progressors - human specialists in history, xenopsychology, etc. In the distant future, when the humanity had grown far more scientifically and ethically advanced than it is now, those progressors settled on various planets with developing humanoid societies, disguised themselves, penetrated the power institutions and observed the progress of the society, subtly interfering now and then and preventing the emergence of destructive tendencies (such as fascism, for example).


    Finally we found out that there were alien progressors among us, too. Only they either came too late, or found it unnecessary or impossible to stand in the way of our catastrophes.


    Just interesting - what's your opinion? Does a hypothetically advanced civilization have a right to influence the history of a hypothetically developing civilization (provided that it bears no threat to the first one)?
    I think it's okay, yes. We farm bees for honey... Why not let the aliens farm us for Idunnowhatium?
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    My answer would be yes, I don't think advanced civilisations could interact with developing without influencing their history and I don't feel they should deny the developing civilisations contact or the benefits of their knowledge either. What I would say though is that the impact of such contact and sharing of knowledge ect... should be carefully considered and monitored so as that if negative affects are appearing corrective steps and measures can be taken to alleviate such problems. I believe strongly in concept of unity for all civilisations whether advanced, developing or primative and that isolationism from or between such cultures would be wrong for all involved, but at the same time the onus of responsibility should always remain with the more advanced cultures to protect the less advanced from any harm involved from such unity.

    Just as a couple of simple examples to support this POV, I would suggest that where an advanced society develops a cure to a disease which also effects less advanced societies then they have a moral obligation and responsibility to share such a cure or if they develop technology to prevent drought again they should share this with less advanced people that are in need of such technology.

    Any moral arguments for non interference are outwayed by the potential for strength from unity of all civilisations and that everybody should have same benefits from the most advanced technology we have to ensure the best quality of life. The point being is that if a less developed state of civilisation is indeed so valuable that it must be protected from outside influence then why is it developing or advancing at all? Surely this would just then be changing that civilisation for the worst, yet in actualality civilisations advance because they are seeking to improve, better technology for housing, medicine & education ect... So in reality how is an advanced civilisation actually helping a developing one if is denying them the very advancements they themselves are seeking to improve their society? To me this isn't helping them at all and therefore such a policy of non interference or ignoring them is not justified or desirable.

    For a civilisation to develop and advance socially and morally it must take on more responsibility to help the less advanced or less able and it should set this example for developing civilisations to follow as they themselves advance and evolve.
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