Thread: Aliens Give You A Job Offer

Aliens Give You a Job Offer

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A humanoid alien race offers you a job.

The benefits if you decide to join:

You get an FTL spaceship that can fly anyway it wants, hovering in an atmosphere or doing loops in space. It even has a star trek like cloaking device.

You get paid with golden bars of high quality gold.

You can set your own schedule.

But you ask, what's the catch? Since you wonder why the the alien wants you to do the job when he can clearly do it himself.

The Job: You will be buying SUGAR from Earth, and transporting it to worlds for him. The reason why he doesn't wanna do it is because that's illegal where he is from. He could get arrested. Yet he assures you that his government is kinder to relatively unknown species (Earth), and would return YOU back to Earth if caught.

Sugar also has the peculiar ability of giving the aliens superhero like powers, which is why it's illegal. Only the wealthy have access to it, since they can hire criminals to ship it for them without getting caught (hopefully).

So you have a choice, trust that the alien is telling you the truth, and you will be brought back to Earth if caught, or just reject the offer.

Keep in mind that the alien has said that your not the first human he has asked, and others have turned him down. He says he's gonna leave Earth and try another world if you reject the offer. So this is literally the chance of a lifetime.

Lookwise, the aliens look like blue skinned humans with white hair, when not shapeshifting.

Keep in mind to that the galactic police force does have superpowered officers, ONLY to counter superpowered criminals.

Make a deal with a chemist to set up a sugar mfg lab on the alien planet. If they are humanoid then it is likely they have some form of starch available to cheaply convert into whatever type of sugar you want.
Since the govt of the aliens have superpower police they must be using super expensive sucrose and would be your first customers. After showing them that they could give everybody access to sugar and with a mild surtax eliminate all of their budget deficits you would be in a position to create a planetary sugar monopoly and from there control the entire interplanetay sugar trade.

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[QUOTE=dan hunter;559124]Make a deal with a chemist to set up a sugar mfg lab on the alien planet. If they are humanoid then it is likely they have some form of starch available to cheaply convert into whatever type of sugar you want.
Since the govt of the aliens have superpower police they must be using super expensive sucrose and would be your first customers. After showing them that they could give everybody access to sugar and with a mild surtax eliminate all of their budget deficits you would be in a position to create a planetary sugar monopoly and from there control the entire interplanetay sugar trade.

Not a bad plan, but a few things you should know.

Sugar on alien worlds is a RARE mineral, kind of like gold, they mine it from the ground. They don't grow it, and don't even know that you can. Earth is like hitting the jackpot for them.

When I say sugar, I mean specifically the white stuff we ALL know. Honey don't count. Nor any other sweet stuff. It has to be either cane or beet sugar. On aliens worlds, this stuff is mined, and it's hard to find.

Being a sugar farmer would be a better option, but the police would more than likely just take over your operation if tney found you.

Because yes, their worlds COULD grow sugar if they actually had sugar plants. They don't... not yet anyway. But of course, that kills any job you have.

Like most illegal activity, there are sugar gangs, and sugar cartels of aliens, you name it.

I would use my skills as an 'Agricultural Ed' High School teacher to cross breed a much more potent form of sugar. I would justify my criminal behavior because I am going to die soon anyway and want my family to have lots of gold. I'll find a total punk alien already in the sugar running business to partner with and we will get in way over our heads. Our shenanigans will get so intense that I will eventually have to kill my partners girlfriend, blow up the alien who hired me, and become ostracized from my family. But I have 20 million in gold now, so I am good. Alternatively, accept the deal. Turn my alien employer in to the government. Sell my ftl travel spaceship to the UN or another conglomerate of countries/companies for literally 10 billion dollars. That would be a steal.

Originally Posted by SowZ37

I would use my skills as an 'Agricultural Ed' High School teacher to cross breed a much more potent form of sugar. I would justify my criminal behavior because I am going to die soon anyway and want my family to have lots of gold. I'll find a total punk alien already in the sugar running business to partner with and we will get in way over our heads. Our shenanigans will get so intense that I will eventually have to kill my partners girlfriend, blow up the alien who hired me, and become ostracized from my family. But I have 20 million in gold now, so I am good. Alternatively, accept the deal. Turn my alien employer in to the government. Sell my ftl travel spaceship to the UN or another conglomerate of countries/companies for literally 10 billion dollars. That would be a steal.

Plan 2: Turning in the alien to the government? Do you really think he's working alone? You just doomed your planet to the wrath of an alien drug cartel. US government vs aliens starships (even two is enough), guess who wins?

Unless you mean the alien government, that would be a smarter plan, because they can actually take down cartel starships, unlike the Earth. Either way, you'd still have to worry about the wrath of the alien cartels, if they located you before... they can probably do it again.

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by SowZ37

I would use my skills as an 'Agricultural Ed' High School teacher to cross breed a much more potent form of sugar. I would justify my criminal behavior because I am going to die soon anyway and want my family to have lots of gold. I'll find a total punk alien already in the sugar running business to partner with and we will get in way over our heads. Our shenanigans will get so intense that I will eventually have to kill my partners girlfriend, blow up the alien who hired me, and become ostracized from my family. But I have 20 million in gold now, so I am good. Alternatively, accept the deal. Turn my alien employer in to the government. Sell my ftl travel spaceship to the UN or another conglomerate of countries/companies for literally 10 billion dollars. That would be a steal.

Plan 2: Turning in the alien to the government? Do you really think he's working alone? You just doomed your planet to the wrath of an alien drug cartel. US government vs aliens starships (even two is enough), guess who wins?

Unless you mean the alien government, that would be a smarter plan, because they can actually take down cartel starships, unlike the Earth.

That's what I meant. Clearly, Earth is incapable of harming him and we don't have laws against interstellar sugar traffic in any country.

Originally Posted by lorbo

A humanoid alien race offers you a job.

The question to me is equivalent to "are you willing to be a drug dealer?"

Originally Posted by billvon

Originally Posted by lorbo

A humanoid alien race offers you a job.

The question to me is equivalent to "are you willing to be a drug dealer?"

Essentially yes, but it's legal... at least by Earth law. And it's not drugs that get people high as in happy high. It actually allows them to fly like superman, amongst other things. For a temporary period of time until they get another fix.

I would want to be paid in gold pressed latinum.

Originally Posted by lorbo

Essentially yes, but it's legal... at least by Earth law.

Many smugglers who sell drugs in the US come from countries where that particular drug is legal.

And it's not drugs that get people high as in happy high.

Doesn't matter. You can't (for example) sell date rape drugs and say "no one's getting a happy high so I'm not a drug dealer."

It actually allows them to fly like superman, amongst other things. For a temporary period of time until they get another fix.

Sounds somewhat like PCP! (at least they think they can fly)

Originally Posted by billvon

Originally Posted by lorbo

A humanoid alien race offers you a job.

The question to me is equivalent to "are you willing to be a drug dealer?"

If the sugar doesn't harm them, but instead improves them, it seems the government is just scared of having a populace that is more difficult to control/govern. I believe the government are the bad guys in this scenario, and have no problem opposing them.

Originally Posted by SowZ37

Originally Posted by billvon

Originally Posted by lorbo

A humanoid alien race offers you a job.

The question to me is equivalent to "are you willing to be a drug dealer?"

If the sugar doesn't harm them, but instead improves them, it seems the government is just scared of having a populace that is more difficult to control/govern. I believe the government are the bad guys in this scenario, and have no problem opposing them.

I agree. It is time for a regime change on the alien planet!
If they have WMD and are oppressing their people we must declare war, invade, depose their dictators, steal their oilfields (and whatever else they have).

Originally Posted by SowZ37

If the sugar doesn't harm them, but instead improves them, it seems the government is just scared of having a populace that is more difficult to control/govern. I believe the government are the bad guys in this scenario, and have no problem opposing them.

Again you can use exactly the same argument to justify pushing drugs within the US.
"Marijuana doesn't harm anyone, only helps them when they are sick. The government is just scared of having a populace that is more difficult to control."
"LSD doesn't harm anyone, only expands their minds. The government is just scared of having an aware populace."

(Note - this is NOT to say that drugs should be illegal, just demonstrating that "would you deliver illegal drugs to aliens if you didn't think you could get punished?" is morally the same question as "would you deliver illegal drugs to Americans if you didn't think you could get punished?")

Lorbo, this is an intriguing scenario. I would never abet a group of people in obtaining a substance that could make them out of control. Being an accessory to criminal behavior is not something that I plan to have on my conscience. However, if this could be adjusted to a situation in which sugar were not illegal on the other planet but something nonexistent, and I had full trust and faith in the offering alien, then perhaps I would consider a deal. The first condition would be that the alien were pure and I had certainty that he would never abuse his superpowers and limit their usage to heroic deeds, like Prince Of Space. The second condition would be that this alien would apply his powerful assistance to Earth in addition to his native.

Ah, but aliens are evil, they have to be or they would have figured out how to make sugar already.

That is shrewd and funny, dan hunter. Oddly enough, I have always leaned toward your view of aliens as evil like the martians in The War Of The Worlds instead of benevolent like E.T. I think, though, that this stems from the detachment of us from aliens in the first place. Since lorbo is describing a case where aliens would be a common and accepted part of the universe, there is room for the idea that there could be kind aliens.

Originally Posted by billvon

Originally Posted by SowZ37

If the sugar doesn't harm them, but instead improves them, it seems the government is just scared of having a populace that is more difficult to control/govern. I believe the government are the bad guys in this scenario, and have no problem opposing them.

Again you can use exactly the same argument to justify pushing drugs within the US.
"Marijuana doesn't harm anyone, only helps them when they are sick. The government is just scared of having a populace that is more difficult to control."
"LSD doesn't harm anyone, only expands their minds. The government is just scared of having an aware populace."

(Note - this is NOT to say that drugs should be illegal, just demonstrating that "would you deliver illegal drugs to aliens if you didn't think you could get punished?" is morally the same question as "would you deliver illegal drugs to Americans if you didn't think you could get punished?")

LSD does have some harmful side effects, so I wouldn't push that. I have zero moral qualm with selling marijuana, though I personally don't partake. In real life, I also wouldn't sell but only because the risks outweigh the rewards.

Originally Posted by Theresa

Lorbo, this is an intriguing scenario. I would never abet a group of people in obtaining a substance that could make them out of control. Being an accessory to criminal behavior is not something that I plan to have on my conscience. However, if this could be adjusted to a situation in which sugar were not illegal on the other planet but something nonexistent, and I had full trust and faith in the offering alien, then perhaps I would consider a deal. The first condition would be that the alien were pure and I had certainty that he would never abuse his superpowers and limit their usage to heroic deeds, like Prince Of Space. The second condition would be that this alien would apply his powerful assistance to Earth in addition to his native.

Yes, I read a story where this was the premise. Of course, the human character turned down the offer. After getting turned down by several humans for almost 2 days straight, the alien snapped. The alien went on a rampage, and later ended up forcing the same human into employment, purely out of spite.

The only reason the human even works for him is because he threatens his loved ones.

As for the other thoughts, no all aliens aren't evil in the story. But many of them of the said species have really severe mood shifts. Alternating between OK and bloodlusted if ticked off enough.

Originally Posted by SowZ37

LSD does have some harmful side effects, so I wouldn't push that.

And sugar has some harmful side effects, even for people (and it doesn't even significantly alter them!) I'd also point out that a great many people - even some doctors - have recommended LSD as a way of increasing spiritual awareness and creative thinking.

But that's somewhat beside the point. The moral issue here is that sugar is illegal - so do you want to be a dealer of an illegal substance? Even if you don't think sugar (or pot, or LSD) is all that bad.

I have zero moral qualm with selling marijuana, though I personally don't partake. In real life, I also wouldn't sell but only because the risks outweigh the rewards.

Now - let's say that someone said to you "you can sell in the US, they are usually OK with selling pot, and I guarantee that if you are caught we will return you to your home without you being thrown in jail. And we will pay you millions." Would you do it then?

Originally Posted by billvon

Originally Posted by SowZ37

LSD does have some harmful side effects, so I wouldn't push that.

And sugar has some harmful side effects, even for people (and it doesn't even significantly alter them!) I'd also point out that a great many people - even some doctors - have recommended LSD as a way of increasing spiritual awareness and creative thinking.

But that's somewhat beside the point. The moral issue here is that sugar is illegal - so do you want to be a dealer of an illegal substance? Even if you don't think sugar (or pot, or LSD) is all that bad.

I have zero moral qualm with selling marijuana, though I personally don't partake. In real life, I also wouldn't sell but only because the risks outweigh the rewards.

Now - let's say that someone said to you "you can sell in the US, they are usually OK with selling pot, and I guarantee that if you are caught we will return you to your home without you being thrown in jail. And we will pay you millions." Would you do it then?

Probably, sure, if I trusted that person. I mean, I wouldn't do it long term. Being a salesman doesn't interest me, but I would do it for a couple years to bank a few million, sure.

To clarify, I think LSD should be legal. It still has some fairly serious health effects.

Legality clearly doesn't indicate what is moral or immoral, unless you are literally an insane person. There are no sane people on the planet, and certainly no one who isn't a total scumbag, who would say that anything legal is moral and anything legal is immoral. There are thousands of examples that just about anyone would agree are blatant exceptions. So 'illegal substance' means nothing to me. I wouldn't deal cocaine not because it is illegal, but because it is harmful. I wouldn't deal marijuana purely out of self preservation.

Originally Posted by SowZ37

Legality clearly doesn't indicate what is moral or immoral, unless you are literally an insane person.

Legality indicates what SOCIETY thinks is immoral, which may of course be different than what an individual thinks is immoral. As an outsider to a culture you don't understand, often legality is the only thing you have to go on.

There are no sane people on the planet, and certainly no one who isn't a total scumbag, who would say that anything legal is moral and anything legal is immoral.

For most people the two are fairly congruent, with a few exceptions. I don't think you will find many people who think rape or murder is moral; likewise not many people will think charity or caring for children is immoral. You can quibble on the minor issues (like the morality of paying taxes) of course.

Do these aliens not suffer from chronic health problems like obesity or tooth decay? That would be my first line of enquiry, because this “superpower” story doesn't wash.

Think I’d have to politely decline the offer, but immediately report my alien encounter to The Science Forum (possibly under the ‘Physics’ section, titled “Proof of aliens!”).

Originally Posted by billvon

Originally Posted by SowZ37

Legality clearly doesn't indicate what is moral or immoral, unless you are literally an insane person.

Legality indicates what SOCIETY thinks is immoral, which may of course be different than what an individual thinks is immoral. As an outsider to a culture you don't understand, often legality is the only thing you have to go on.

There are no sane people on the planet, and certainly no one who isn't a total scumbag, who would say that anything legal is moral and anything legal is immoral.

For most people the two are fairly congruent, with a few exceptions. I don't think you will find many people who think rape or murder is moral; likewise not many people will think charity or caring for children is immoral. You can quibble on the minor issues (like the morality of paying taxes) of course.

I disagree. The percentage of laws in most countries that actually deal with not harming someone is fairly small. And of course plenty of laws are racist, homophobic, sexist, or involve Papa Doc systematically starving his own people to death. Most countries have seriously discriminatory laws that allow rape and murder of specific groups. Nah, legality and morality are the same some times by luck. Legality does not show what society shows is immoral. It shows what the person in charge wants and is willing to shoot people to enforce. In democratic countries, there is some link between what society thinks is immoral and laws, though. But even then, most people can think killing gay people is A-Okay and boom. It is legal.

Originally Posted by SowZ37

I disagree. The percentage of laws in most countries that actually deal with not harming someone is fairly small. And of course plenty of laws are racist, homophobic, sexist, or involve Papa Doc systematically starving his own people to death.

Right. And those laws reflect SOCIETY's morality, at least in democratic societies. Back in the 1930's society did not think blacks and whites should marry, and the laws expressed that. Nowadays we think they do, and so the laws express _that._ In some Islamic societies, society has decided that women shouldn't have as many rights as men do, and the laws express that. You may disagree with that, of course - but that is what that society's morality dictates.

Most countries have seriously discriminatory laws that allow rape and murder of specific groups.

Yes, and our laws specifically protect US soldiers who kill (say) Iraqis or Afghanis. Yet most Americans consider that moral. Again, that's a societal decision.

Nah, legality and morality are the same some times by luck.

They are that way by design; sometimes that attempt fails, since few governments are even close to perfect. That's why, for example, laws are slowly being changed to allow gay marriage, because society has changed and the law is (slowly) following suit.

Originally Posted by billvon

Originally Posted by SowZ37

I disagree. The percentage of laws in most countries that actually deal with not harming someone is fairly small. And of course plenty of laws are racist, homophobic, sexist, or involve Papa Doc systematically starving his own people to death.

Right. And those laws reflect SOCIETY's morality, at least in democratic societies. Back in the 1930's society did not think blacks and whites should marry, and the laws expressed that. Nowadays we think they do, and so the laws express _that._ In some Islamic societies, society has decided that women shouldn't have as many rights as men do, and the laws express that. You may disagree with that, of course - but that is what that society's morality dictates.

Most countries have seriously discriminatory laws that allow rape and murder of specific groups.

Yes, and our laws specifically protect US soldiers who kill (say) Iraqis or Afghanis. Yet most Americans consider that moral. Again, that's a societal decision.

Nah, legality and morality are the same some times by luck.

They are that way by design; sometimes that attempt fails, since few governments are even close to perfect. That's why, for example, laws are slowly being changed to allow gay marriage, because society has changed and the law is (slowly) following suit.

Most countries aren't real democracies or republics, even using the US as a baseline and we aren't that great at the whole democratic thing, either. And even then, the government does plenty of things that most people disagree with/would if they knew about it. Laws are not a good indicator of a societies morals. Historically and in modern times, there are tons of examples of laws that the average people hate but they follow it because they will get shot otherwise. Laws reflect the wishes of the people in power. If those people in power are accountable to an electorate, they will make laws that reflect their constituents morality as much as is convenient for them/as much as they have to depending on how responsible that elected official is. (Usually, not very.) But saying since laws reflect societies morality a decent amount of the time means we can use laws to get an indicator of what the culture deems right and wrong is incorrect. In a democracy or republic, it does more of the time. But not always.

Also, most US citizens do not support the Iraq War.

Originally Posted by SowZ37

Most countries aren't real democracies or republics, even using the US as a baseline and we aren't that great at the whole democratic thing, either.

I think we are pretty good - but definitely are not perfect.

Laws are not a good indicator of a societies morals. Historically and in modern times, there are tons of examples of laws that the average people hate but they follow it because they will get shot otherwise.

Yes. But these, again, are laws that SOCIETY supports even if the individual does not. Income tax is a good example. People in general support taxation to pay for roads, schools, the military, the CDC etc etc. Individuals often do not like taxes, and would not pay if they could get away with it, but those same individuals vote for schools, roads, politicians who advocate for war etc with the understanding that taxes will pay for all that.

But saying since laws reflect societies morality a decent amount of the time means we can use laws to get an indicator of what the culture deems right and wrong is incorrect.

At a general level, laws are an indicator of what culture deems right and wrong, and the great majority of our laws reflect the morals of our society,

Also, most US citizens do not support the Iraq War.

They did at first. 72% of Americans thought the war was a good idea in 2003 when it was started, and the government then attacked Iraq. Initially most Americans supported it, and that support continued through 2005. Later they changed their minds, and we pulled out. (With the inevitable delays and logistics problems.)

Originally Posted by billvon

Originally Posted by SowZ37

Most countries aren't real democracies or republics, even using the US as a baseline and we aren't that great at the whole democratic thing, either.

I think we are pretty good - but definitely are not perfect.

Laws are not a good indicator of a societies morals. Historically and in modern times, there are tons of examples of laws that the average people hate but they follow it because they will get shot otherwise.

Yes. But these, again, are laws that SOCIETY supports even if the individual does not. Income tax is a good example. People in general support taxation to pay for roads, schools, the military, the CDC etc etc. Individuals often do not like taxes, and would not pay if they could get away with it, but those same individuals vote for schools, roads, politicians who advocate for war etc with the understanding that taxes will pay for all that.

But saying since laws reflect societies morality a decent amount of the time means we can use laws to get an indicator of what the culture deems right and wrong is incorrect.

At a general level, laws are an indicator of what culture deems right and wrong, and the great majority of our laws reflect the morals of our society,

Also, most US citizens do not support the Iraq War.

They did at first. 72% of Americans thought the war was a good idea in 2003 when it was started, and the government then attacked Iraq. Initially most Americans supported it, and that support continued through 2005. Later they changed their minds, and we pulled out. (With the inevitable delays and logistics problems.)

The US populace changed their minds way before we pulled out. And laws still aren't what society decides is good. They are what whoever has the most guns decides is good. You keep pointing back to America, but whether or not I agree that the US government is mostly good, (I don't.) it is irrelevant. Most countries aren't democratic. Plenty of countries are filled with oppressed citizens who hate policies but are powerless to stop them. Just because laws sometimes correlate to what society deems moral, doesn't mean that laws are a good indicator.

Pineapples, maybe they would, but sugar would not be responsible. Biologically, the aliens would be significantly different from humans, which is why they would view sugar along the line of a magical substance. It's possible that things which are healthy for us, like vegetables, would cause diseases in these aliens.

Originally Posted by Theresa

Pineapples, maybe they would, but sugar would not be responsible. Biologically, the aliens would be significantly different from humans, which is why they would view sugar along the line of a magical substance. It's possible that things which are healthy for us, like vegetables, would cause diseases in these aliens.

These aliens can shape shift remember, so deception is probably in their very nature. Not to be trusted!

Pineapples, that perhaps would be true, and if so, would give the story a darker tone. I have been considering this in the way of the aliens being psychologically similar to humans, but your idea appeals to the horror fan in me. Aliens is one of the topics in which there is plenty of room for cynicism to seem amusing.

This reminds me of the spice in Dune. The race that moved the spice, Spacing Guild's Navigators, were the only ones that could fold time in order to get to places far away.

It is unethical, I would not do it, based on the parameters of the premise. I might engage in the initial process for other purposes though depending on various details. If an alien is willing to directly or indirectly brake the laws established by his civilization, and is deceitful with respect to his activities, there's little guarantee he's telling the truth or giving you the whole picture to make an informed decision.

Originally Posted by icewendigo

It is unethical, I would not do it, based on the parameters of the premise. I might engage in the initial process for other purposes though depending on various details. If an alien is willing to directly or indirectly brake the laws established by his civilization, and is deceitful with respect to his activities, there's little guarantee he's telling the truth or giving you the whole picture to make an informed decision.

Why is it unethical? If sugar improves them, gives them greater abilities, I say it is unethical to prohibit that. If improving people is good then it is good.

Originally Posted by pineapples

Originally Posted by Theresa

Pineapples, maybe they would, but sugar would not be responsible. Biologically, the aliens would be significantly different from humans, which is why they would view sugar along the line of a magical substance. It's possible that things which are healthy for us, like vegetables, would cause diseases in these aliens.

These aliens can shape shift remember, so deception is probably in their very nature. Not to be trusted!

Actually you have few misconceptions about the aliens.

Yes, they can shapeshift, but they won't do it without cause. It is EXTREMELY painful. Imagine what it would feel like to get your private parts reshaped and feel it... yeah. Their whole body is immoblized when they shift, so they have to do it lieing down anyway.

As for deception, the aliens are actually biologically incapable of lying. In the story, the human character doesn't figure that out until he spends time with them.

But it's kind of hinted at given the alien could have lied from the get-go, rather than telling him stuff that would discourage him from working in the sugar smuggling business.

Instead of lying, aliens will either withold information, or just get annoyed if you keep asking, perhaps even telling you the truth.

However the closes they come to lying is their use of alias names. Instead of using their real names on Earth, they go by generic names like John Smith etc. It is not uncommon for criminal aliens to have multiple aliases for everything from companies to names. And that is not considered a lie.

Originally Posted by lorbo

Instead of lying, aliens will either withold information

Sounds like a lie of omission.

Originally Posted by SowZ37

Originally Posted by icewendigo

It is unethical, I would not do it, based on the parameters of the premise. I might engage in the initial process for other purposes though depending on various details. If an alien is willing to directly or indirectly brake the laws established by his civilization, and is deceitful with respect to his activities, there's little guarantee he's telling the truth or giving you the whole picture to make an informed decision.

Why is it unethical? If sugar improves them, gives them greater abilities, I say it is unethical to prohibit that. If improving people is good then it is good.

It's really a matter of the old argument: Guns don't kill people, people do.

Well that is what the alien government is afraid of. It's enough trouble policing normal aliens (which can naturally shapeshift), let alone ones with extra superpowers granted by sugar.

So you should be able to understand why sugar is outlawed.

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by SowZ37

Originally Posted by icewendigo

It is unethical, I would not do it, based on the parameters of the premise. I might engage in the initial process for other purposes though depending on various details. If an alien is willing to directly or indirectly brake the laws established by his civilization, and is deceitful with respect to his activities, there's little guarantee he's telling the truth or giving you the whole picture to make an informed decision.

Why is it unethical? If sugar improves them, gives them greater abilities, I say it is unethical to prohibit that. If improving people is good then it is good.

It's really a matter of the old argument: Guns don't kill people, people do.

Well that is what the alien government is afraid of. It's enough trouble policing normal aliens (which can naturally shapeshift), let alone ones with extra superpowers granted by sugar.

So you should be able to understand why sugar is outlawed.

I understand why it is outlawed. It is tough to control people with powers. I don't understand why it is unethical.

Originally Posted by Flick Montana

Originally Posted by lorbo

Instead of lying, aliens will either withold information

Sounds like a lie of omission.

Well... lying and deception are not exactly the same thing.

Animals use deception quite a bit, yet none of them are capable of verbally lying to us humans.

If everybody has super strength then there's nothing really super about it. let them have it.

but then again maybe the sugar is banned because enough of the aliens want to use it not to improve themselves but to take over the earth. decisions decisions.

Originally Posted by SowZ37

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by SowZ37

Originally Posted by icewendigo

It is unethical, I would not do it, based on the parameters of the premise. I might engage in the initial process for other purposes though depending on various details. If an alien is willing to directly or indirectly brake the laws established by his civilization, and is deceitful with respect to his activities, there's little guarantee he's telling the truth or giving you the whole picture to make an informed decision.

Why is it unethical? If sugar improves them, gives them greater abilities, I say it is unethical to prohibit that. If improving people is good then it is good.

It's really a matter of the old argument: Guns don't kill people, people do.

Well that is what the alien government is afraid of. It's enough trouble policing normal aliens (which can naturally shapeshift), let alone ones with extra superpowers granted by sugar.

So you should be able to understand why sugar is outlawed.

I understand why it is outlawed. It is tough to control people with powers. I don't understand why it is unethical.

Well I'm not arguing ethics, that's a pretty murky subject when your considering fictional alien ethics LOL.

I'd probably do it just becaus I'm sure I could visit all kinds of cool places before they realized I had just stolen their ship.

Originally Posted by grmpysmrf

If everybody has super strength then there's nothing really super about it. let them have it.

but then again maybe the sugar is banned because enough of the aliens want to use it not to improve themselves but to take over the earth. decisions decisions.

Oh I assure you... super strength is not even a power they have. They have far more useful ones. Like:

Hydrogen Control: Control of hydrogen or anything with enough of it (water or blood).

Flight: Via the fact that alien blood has enough hydrogen that they can fly.

And more powers that have to do with fundamental forces of the universe (electromagnetism etc).

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by grmpysmrf

If everybody has super strength then there's nothing really super about it. let them have it.

but then again maybe the sugar is banned because enough of the aliens want to use it not to improve themselves but to take over the earth. decisions decisions.

Oh I assure you... super strength is not even a power they have. They have far more useful ones. Like:

Hydrogen Control: Control of hydrogen or anything with enough of it (water or blood).

Flight: Via the fact that alien blood has enough hydrogen that they can fly.

And more powers that have to do with fundamental forces of the universe (electromagnetism etc).

I thought you said the sugar made them super? What's the point of the sugar then?

As far as Earth is concerned, if the alien government got wind that Earth had plants that GREW sugar, they would likely annex Earth to the planets under their control.

As far as the alien sugar smugglers are concerned, they would rather keep Earth a secret, and not broadcast the fact that they have plants that can grow the super drug by the ton.

Originally Posted by grmpysmrf

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by grmpysmrf

If everybody has super strength then there's nothing really super about it. let them have it.

but then again maybe the sugar is banned because enough of the aliens want to use it not to improve themselves but to take over the earth. decisions decisions.

Oh I assure you... super strength is not even a power they have. They have far more useful ones. Like:

Hydrogen Control: Control of hydrogen or anything with enough of it (water or blood).

Flight: Via the fact that alien blood has enough hydrogen that they can fly.

And more powers that have to do with fundamental forces of the universe (electromagnetism etc).

I thought you said the sugar made them super? What's the point of the sugar then?

Sugar gives them said powers when they take it.

Individual powers vary, one might have hydrogen control, while another has electromagnetic control, it really depends.

Originally Posted by SowZ37

The US populace changed their minds way before we pulled out.

Agreed. People supported the decision to go in; we went in. (After a delay of course.) People then wanted to pull out; we pulled out. (Again after a delay.) The government, in that case, expressed the morality of the people quite accurately.

And laws still aren't what society decides is good.

They are by definition. This goal is set forth by our Constitution, which we base all our laws on. "We the people . . . establish justice . . . promote the general welfare . . . for ourselves and our posterity."

They are what whoever has the most guns decides is good.

The above example of the Iraq war proves that false. The military has the most guns; they didn't get a chance to stay there, despite the majority of military leaders wanting to.

Just because laws sometimes correlate to what society deems moral, doesn't mean that laws are a good indicator.

I agree that they are not always a good indicator. But if you know nothing about the society, you are more likely to be considered moral by them if you follow their laws than if you break them.

Why is it unethical?

Because its illegal for them, and we are swimming in hypothetical tides, I dont know what the particulars are, just that its illegal in their civilization based on information a criminal/deceitful lone source of information claims. I know that if there is a dispute between two sides and you only get one side's version, you are likely to have a misleading/incomplete/false picture of the situation. What are the effects? Is the majority of people in favour of making it illegal? What if a study kept secret by the Sugar Cartel found that Sugar makes them psychopathic and violent after 6 months of use? There's many parameters I would want to make a decision and for which I would want multiple sources. I just know that its apparently illegal and have a bunch of information by a lone 1-sided source.

Originally Posted by billvon

Originally Posted by SowZ37

The US populace changed their minds way before we pulled out.

Agreed. People supported the decision to go in; we went in. (After a delay of course.) People then wanted to pull out; we pulled out. (Again after a delay.) The government, in that case, expressed the morality of the people quite accurately.

And laws still aren't what society decides is good.

They are by definition. This goal is set forth by our Constitution, which we base all our laws on. "We the people . . . establish justice . . . promote the general welfare . . . for ourselves and our posterity."

They are what whoever has the most guns decides is good.

The above example of the Iraq war proves that false. The military has the most guns; they didn't get a chance to stay there, despite the majority of military leaders wanting to.

Just because laws sometimes correlate to what society deems moral, doesn't mean that laws are a good indicator.

I agree that they are not always a good indicator. But if you know nothing about the society, you are more likely to be considered moral by them if you follow their laws than if you break them.

How does the Iraq War prove anything? And yeah, we eventually pulled out. We disagreed with the Iraq war waaaaay before we pulled out. If we had stayed in for forty years then pulled out, would it just be a delay? As to the constitution, no, laws are not what society deems good by definition. Everyone didn't get a say in the constitution. At least 40% of the population didn't support the Declaration of Independence, probably more. (20% were loyalists. 20% were slaves. Even if 80% of the rest agreed with it, which is a liberal number, the majority of the country was against it.) Laws are what the leaders want, which is sometimes the same as what the people deem good.

Regardless, most of my points have to do with other countries, which remains unaddressed. Many examples, including our own declaration of independence but also countless dictators, prove that laws are not by definition what society deems moral.

Originally Posted by icewendigo

Why is it unethical?

Because its illegal for them, and we are swimming in hypothetical tides, I dont know what the particulars are, just that its illegal in their civilization based on information a criminal/deceitful lone source of information claims. I know that if there is a dispute between two sides and you only get one side's version, you are likely to have a misleading/incomplete/false picture of the situation. What are the effects? Is the majority of people in favour of making it illegal? There's many parameters I would want to make a decision and for which I would want multiple sources. What if a study kept secret by the Sugar Cartel found that Sugar makes them psychopathic and violent after 6 months of use? I just know that its apparently illegal and have a bunch of information by a lone 1-sided source.

That's reasonable. I would probably think it is uncertain if sale of sugar is ethical or not, but I am no more likely to side with the government than the cartel.

Originally Posted by icewendigo

Why is it unethical?

Because its illegal for them, and we are swimming in hypothetical tides, I dont know what the particulars are, just that its illegal in their civilization based on information a criminal/deceitful lone source of information claims. I know that if there is a dispute between two sides and you only get one side's version, you are likely to have a misleading/incomplete/false picture of the situation. What are the effects? Is the majority of people in favour of making it illegal? What if a study kept secret by the Sugar Cartel found that Sugar makes them psychopathic and violent after 6 months of use? There's many parameters I would want to make a decision and for which I would want multiple sources. I just know that its apparently illegal and have a bunch of information by a lone 1-sided source.

Making an educated choice is a wise choice, but the alien is not giving you that choice. So you refuse. But it really won't matter in the end, assuming you were the human character in the story. Because he ends up forcing him into it anyway. Only to save his own life, since his employer threatens to kill him if he can't get a foreign recruit withing 2 days, which are almost up anyway (8 hours left).

Originally Posted by billvon

Originally Posted by lorbo

A humanoid alien race offers you a job.

The question to me is equivalent to "are you willing to be a drug dealer?"

Agreed. Or rather the same as "are you willing to be a criminal" If America decided to make sugar illegal & carry repercussions like prison along with it. It is the same question. The product does not matter nor does the reasoning as to why it is illegal.

That is what the basic question is, are you willing to be a criminal to be rich or have your wildest dreams come true (space travel)

I for example am in strong favor of legalizing marijuana. I see it as harmless & beneficial to the masses. However I have no intentions of being a smuggler or drug mule just because I disagree with the federal laws surrounding the plant.

Thus, im all in favor of aleins getting there sugar fix, I would even be more than glad to say to them "dude, we grow that shit here. Go down to walmart dawg, you can buy a pound of it for like a dolla"

I would however not jump on board with the opportunity of a lifetime that carries possible legal repercussions.

Originally Posted by SowZ37

How does the Iraq War prove anything?

It doesn't; I was responding to it because you brought it up.

And yeah, we eventually pulled out. We disagreed with the Iraq war waaaaay before we pulled out. If we had stayed in for forty years then pulled out, would it just be a delay?

That would be much worse. As it stands, three years isn't too bad fora major change in policy by a representative democracy, given that often you have to campaign for and elect the people who will make the change happen.

As to the constitution, no, laws are not what society deems good by definition.

Laws are passed by the legislature for several purposes, including providing for the general welfare of the people of the United States. They are also passed for other reasons (like regulating the military) but they are guided by the principle that they must promote the welfare of the people.

Everyone didn't get a say in the constitution. At least 40% of the population didn't support the Declaration of Independence, probably more.

"Not everyone wants to do it but we did it anyway, because most people wanted it" is sort of the definition of democracy.

Regardless, most of my points have to do with other countries, which remains unaddressed. Many examples, including our own declaration of independence but also countless dictators, prove that laws are not by definition what society deems moral.

You keep using exceptions to try to prove the rule. My position is that MOST laws represent the morals of the people who pass them, because they were passed by societies for the purpose of expressing their societal view of right and wrong in a structured framework. This works much better in a democracy but works well in most forms of government - again, with a few glaring exceptions.

Making an educated choice is a wise choice, but the alien is not giving you that choice. So you refuse. But it really won't matter in the end, assuming you were the human character in the story. Because he ends up forcing him into it anyway. Only to save his own life, since his employer threatens to kill him if he can't get a foreign recruit withing 2 days, which are almost up anyway (8 hours left).

lol that made me laugh.

just out of curiosity, what would have happened if I as the character would have said "I agree under the condition that what you describe is both accurate and complete, so I will travel around for a short time of observation, and if the observation and information confirms the situation I will transport sugar as agreed"
?



(..hoping that a detail he might have overlooked was not that the ship is radioactive/harmful to humans reducing life expectancy to a few month or years and requiring a reoccurring recruitment effort and explaining why the job is currently vacant)

Originally Posted by icewendigo

Making an educated choice is a wise choice, but the alien is not giving you that choice. So you refuse. But it really won't matter in the end, assuming you were the human character in the story. Because he ends up forcing him into it anyway. Only to save his own life, since his employer threatens to kill him if he can't get a foreign recruit withing 2 days, which are almost up anyway (8 hours left).

lol that made me laugh.

just out of curiosity, what would have happened if I as the character would have said "I agree under the condition that what you describe is both accurate and complete, so I will travel around for a short time of observation, and if the observation and information confirms the situation I will transport sugar as agreed"
?



(..hoping that a detail he might have overlooked was not that the ship is radioactive/harmful to humans reducing life expectancy to a few month or years and requiring a reoccurring recruitment effort and explaining why the job is currently vacant)

Well since you asked, the alien in the story would allowed you to come, but he wouldn't make say he agreed with your plan, since that would be lying, and he can't do that. You go aboard his ship, and you will be considered an employee from that point on.

How long you will work is set by your employer. And also how good you are. If your horrible at your job, they may fire you anyway. Which doesn't imply kiilling you, unless you tick them off.

As for the ship being radioactively lethal to humans... no. If anything it's safer than those tin cans humans call spacecraft. The alien spaceship has it's own atmospheric mantle, like the Earth does. Along with it's own protective magnetic field. So you would get about the same radiation you would on Earth anyway, you'd be fine.

Can I accept the offer and make my maid do the dirty work?

Job is vacant because this is literally FIRST CONTACT between his species and Earth.

The alien talking to you was a hitman by trade, but his skills are in less demand, so he was hired by a sugar smuggler because she could pay him lower wages. Besides the fact that she is also more powerful than he is and thus he poses no threat to her.

Being a former hitman, he is not used to rejection, since everyone was quite compliant... right before execution. He is just not that good at his job to say the least. At recruiting. That is why he has yet to find any human recruits.

If his alien female boss spent more money on getting quality employess rather than a top-notch spaceship, maybe she it wouldn't take almost 2 days to get a human recruit.

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Can I accept the offer and make my maid do the dirty work?

Nah... that won't work.

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Can I accept the offer and make my maid do the dirty work?

Nah... that won't work.

Why the bloody hell not?
Erm, can I to just take the aliens hostage. I mean they are not on sugar or anything so I can just keep them hostage until they agree to pay anyway (of course I am lying because I will expunge all the gold I can from them and destroy them afterwards). Will that work?

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Can I accept the offer and make my maid do the dirty work?

Nah... that won't work.

Why the bloody hell not?
Erm, can I to just take the aliens hostage. I mean they are not on sugar or anything so I can just keep them hostage until they agree to pay anyway (of course I am lying because I will expunge all the gold I can from them and destroy them afterwards). Will that work?

There are only two of them you have to worry about. The male alien who used to be a HITMAN for crying out loud, and his female boss. Both of them are sugared up when they arrive on Earth, just as a precaution. It's standard operating procedure when going to an alien planet.

And yes, a bullet could kill them like anyone else, even with powers. Your plan could work in theory. At best you could take out one of them, since one person stays on the ship at all times usually. You should also know that the hitman has a beam weapon that he uses the wide beam setting on, and it's lethal. Short range of a 50 yards, but still lethal.

The one aboard the ship would either just leave (if it's the hitman, because he could care less anyway), or come back with a new employee to do the same job the former failed at. Just at another location on the planet.

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Can I accept the offer and make my maid do the dirty work?

Nah... that won't work.

Why the bloody hell not?
Erm, can I to just take the aliens hostage. I mean they are not on sugar or anything so I can just keep them hostage until they agree to pay anyway (of course I am lying because I will expunge all the gold I can from them and destroy them afterwards). Will that work?

There are only two of them you have to worry about. The male alien who used to be a HITMAN for crying out loud, and his female boss. Both of them are sugared up when they arrive on Earth, just as a precaution. It's standard operating procedure when going to an alien planet.

And yes, a bullet could kill them like anyone else, even with powers. Your plan could work in theory. At best you could take out one of them, since one person stays on the ship at all times usually. You should also know that the hitman has a beam weapon that he uses the wide beam setting on, and it's lethal. Short range of a 50 yards, but still lethal.

The one aboard the ship would either just leave (if it's the hitman, because he could care less anyway), or come back with a new employee to do the same job the former failed at. Just at another location on the planet.

So a plot twist huh?
Well, this is feasible then. I will use my silent guns to shot them down if the decline my request to become my hostages.

ME: Interesting offer, but I have another for you. How about I just keep you as my guests and coerce another buffoon to do it and we both enjoy the profit?
Alien 1: Looks foolishly at the other. No, it does not work like that.
ME: Fine then, you all shall suffer the same faith of becoming my hostages. Dota! Ich kaba!
Dota: *Comes in the room with silent guns and shoots both aliens down. (Not enough to kill them).
ME: *Goes up to pilot alien and offers a tea (it is a sedative).

Query: Where in the hell did they park their ship to begin with? Hopefully not on my roof, the neighbours will see. They better not just barge into my living room either, I would feel sorry for Dota. Anyway, back to my mini theory.

Pilot Alien: *Refuses the drink, so I just inject him with a sedative

THE END

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Can I accept the offer and make my maid do the dirty work?

Nah... that won't work.

Why the bloody hell not?
Erm, can I to just take the aliens hostage. I mean they are not on sugar or anything so I can just keep them hostage until they agree to pay anyway (of course I am lying because I will expunge all the gold I can from them and destroy them afterwards). Will that work?

There are only two of them you have to worry about. The male alien who used to be a HITMAN for crying out loud, and his female boss. Both of them are sugared up when they arrive on Earth, just as a precaution. It's standard operating procedure when going to an alien planet.

And yes, a bullet could kill them like anyone else, even with powers. Your plan could work in theory. At best you could take out one of them, since one person stays on the ship at all times usually. You should also know that the hitman has a beam weapon that he uses the wide beam setting on, and it's lethal. Short range of a 50 yards, but still lethal.

The one aboard the ship would either just leave (if it's the hitman, because he could care less anyway), or come back with a new employee to do the same job the former failed at. Just at another location on the planet.

So a plot twist huh?
Well, this is feasible then. I will use my silent guns to shot them down if the decline my request to become my hostages.

ME: Interesting offer, but I have another for you. How about I just keep you as my guests and coerce another buffoon to do it and we both enjoy the profit?
Alien 1: Looks foolishly at the other. No, it does not work like that.
ME: Fine then, you all shall suffer the same faith of becoming my hostages. Dota! Ich kaba!
Dota: *Comes in the room with silent guns and shoots both aliens down. (Not enough to kill them).
ME: *Goes up to pilot alien and offers a tea (it is a sedative).

Query: Where in the hell did they park their ship to begin with? Hopefully not on my roof, the neighbours will see. They better not just barge into my living room either, I would feel sorry for Dota. Anyway, back to my mini theory.

Pilot Alien: *Refuses the drink, so I just inject him with a sedative

THE END

You presume the aliens are idiots.

In the story, the alien meets the human at a coffe shop (starbucks to be precise) to discuss the job offer. This is after meeting him at starbucks earlier and giving him a business card to call his phone number (which the human does and meets him later at same coffee shop).

The aliens don't stay together in the same place for that very reason. And female pilot boss doesn't particularly like her hitman employee anyway, so even if you did somehow make him a hostage, she would likely let you keep him and do what you want.

And if you even try sneaking weapons aboard their ship, their sensors will detect it before you ever reach the ship. They have better sensors than humans do.

Where did they park their ship?

It's cloaked. Meaning their ship can bend ALL electromagnetic radiation around it. It's above the coffee shop, floating, about a 150 feet up.

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Can I accept the offer and make my maid do the dirty work?

Nah... that won't work.

Why the bloody hell not?
Erm, can I to just take the aliens hostage. I mean they are not on sugar or anything so I can just keep them hostage until they agree to pay anyway (of course I am lying because I will expunge all the gold I can from them and destroy them afterwards). Will that work?

There are only two of them you have to worry about. The male alien who used to be a HITMAN for crying out loud, and his female boss. Both of them are sugared up when they arrive on Earth, just as a precaution. It's standard operating procedure when going to an alien planet.

And yes, a bullet could kill them like anyone else, even with powers. Your plan could work in theory. At best you could take out one of them, since one person stays on the ship at all times usually. You should also know that the hitman has a beam weapon that he uses the wide beam setting on, and it's lethal. Short range of a 50 yards, but still lethal.

The one aboard the ship would either just leave (if it's the hitman, because he could care less anyway), or come back with a new employee to do the same job the former failed at. Just at another location on the planet.

So a plot twist huh?
Well, this is feasible then. I will use my silent guns to shot them down if the decline my request to become my hostages.

ME: Interesting offer, but I have another for you. How about I just keep you as my guests and coerce another buffoon to do it and we both enjoy the profit?
Alien 1: Looks foolishly at the other. No, it does not work like that.
ME: Fine then, you all shall suffer the same faith of becoming my hostages. Dota! Ich kaba!
Dota: *Comes in the room with silent guns and shoots both aliens down. (Not enough to kill them).
ME: *Goes up to pilot alien and offers a tea (it is a sedative).

Query: Where in the hell did they park their ship to begin with? Hopefully not on my roof, the neighbours will see. They better not just barge into my living room either, I would feel sorry for Dota. Anyway, back to my mini theory.

Pilot Alien: *Refuses the drink, so I just inject him with a sedative

THE END

You presume the aliens are idiots.

In the story, the alien meets the human at a coffe shop (starbucks to be precise) to discuss the job offer. This is after meeting him at starbucks earlier and giving him a business card to call his phone number (which the human does and meets him later at same coffee shop).

The aliens don't stay together in the same place for that very reason. And female pilot boss doesn't particularly like her hitman employee anyway, so even if you did somehow make him a hostage, she would likely let you keep him and do what you want.

And if you even try sneaking weapons aboard their ship, their sensors will detect it before you ever reach the ship. They have better sensors than humans do.

Well the evidence compiled in the story you gave in the first post points out to them being idiots. Haha.
Anyway, so in that case I will just decline and take one of the aliens hostage. I can just make more money off of my alien hostage. Not to mention I now have an alien slave, it is like having a pet tiger.

Oh and they have to be idiots to want to meet at Starbucks, looking the way they do. Like what in the world?! Drug dealing in broad daylight, as clever as that may be, but being blue skin and with white hair just raises flags. Unless of course they are shapeshifting, and they look normal, but then again how will I know they are aliens in public. Will it not be odd to expose themselves as aliens at Starbucks. I also would not automatically invite them into my house, unless of course they barge in, then I have no choice but to listen to them. Which brings in another question. How did they manage to entice my attention in the first place, AT STARBUCKS?

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Can I accept the offer and make my maid do the dirty work?

Nah... that won't work.

Why the bloody hell not?
Erm, can I to just take the aliens hostage. I mean they are not on sugar or anything so I can just keep them hostage until they agree to pay anyway (of course I am lying because I will expunge all the gold I can from them and destroy them afterwards). Will that work?

There are only two of them you have to worry about. The male alien who used to be a HITMAN for crying out loud, and his female boss. Both of them are sugared up when they arrive on Earth, just as a precaution. It's standard operating procedure when going to an alien planet.

And yes, a bullet could kill them like anyone else, even with powers. Your plan could work in theory. At best you could take out one of them, since one person stays on the ship at all times usually. You should also know that the hitman has a beam weapon that he uses the wide beam setting on, and it's lethal. Short range of a 50 yards, but still lethal.

The one aboard the ship would either just leave (if it's the hitman, because he could care less anyway), or come back with a new employee to do the same job the former failed at. Just at another location on the planet.

So a plot twist huh?
Well, this is feasible then. I will use my silent guns to shot them down if the decline my request to become my hostages.

ME: Interesting offer, but I have another for you. How about I just keep you as my guests and coerce another buffoon to do it and we both enjoy the profit?
Alien 1: Looks foolishly at the other. No, it does not work like that.
ME: Fine then, you all shall suffer the same faith of becoming my hostages. Dota! Ich kaba!
Dota: *Comes in the room with silent guns and shoots both aliens down. (Not enough to kill them).
ME: *Goes up to pilot alien and offers a tea (it is a sedative).

Query: Where in the hell did they park their ship to begin with? Hopefully not on my roof, the neighbours will see. They better not just barge into my living room either, I would feel sorry for Dota. Anyway, back to my mini theory.

Pilot Alien: *Refuses the drink, so I just inject him with a sedative

THE END

You presume the aliens are idiots.

In the story, the alien meets the human at a coffe shop (starbucks to be precise) to discuss the job offer. This is after meeting him at starbucks earlier and giving him a business card to call his phone number (which the human does and meets him later at same coffee shop).

The aliens don't stay together in the same place for that very reason. And female pilot boss doesn't particularly like her hitman employee anyway, so even if you did somehow make him a hostage, she would likely let you keep him and do what you want.

And if you even try sneaking weapons aboard their ship, their sensors will detect it before you ever reach the ship. They have better sensors than humans do.

Well the evidence compiled in the story you gave in the first post points out to them being idiots. Haha.
Anyway, so in that case I will just decline and take one of the aliens hostage. I can just make more money off of my alien hostage. Not to mention I now have an alien slave, it is like having a pet tiger.

Oh and they have to be idiots to want to meet at Starbucks, looking the way they do. Like what in the world?! Drug dealing in broad daylight, as clever as that may be, but being blue skin and with white hair just raises flags. Unless of course they are shapeshifting, and they look normal, but then again how will I know they are aliens in public. Will it not be odd to expose themselves as aliens at Starbucks. I also would not automatically invite them into my house, unless of course they barge in, then I have no choice but to listen to them. Which brings in another question. How did they manage to entice my attention in the first place, AT STARBUCKS?

In the story, the human character had been looking for work for 2 months without success, and one day he meets a pretty blonde (actually the female alien), who gives him a business card and tells him to call it if he wants work. She just walked up to him randomly, and asked if he had a job. When he said no, she gave him the card and said her company was hiring.

By the way: Aliens look JUST LIKE HUMANS. Except for blue skin/white hair and eye colors that aren't normal. They can change their color without ANY pain, and that is how they pass for human. She simply changed her colors, and that's all her hitman partner has to do.

As for how you know they are alien: In the story, the human doubts the alien, so he gives him what look like cheap cardboard 3-D glasses.

The alien tells him to put them on and look up in the sky... and the human sees the spaceship, which is otherwise invisible to the human eye.

That is proof enough.

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Can I accept the offer and make my maid do the dirty work?

Nah... that won't work.

Why the bloody hell not?
Erm, can I to just take the aliens hostage. I mean they are not on sugar or anything so I can just keep them hostage until they agree to pay anyway (of course I am lying because I will expunge all the gold I can from them and destroy them afterwards). Will that work?

There are only two of them you have to worry about. The male alien who used to be a HITMAN for crying out loud, and his female boss. Both of them are sugared up when they arrive on Earth, just as a precaution. It's standard operating procedure when going to an alien planet.

And yes, a bullet could kill them like anyone else, even with powers. Your plan could work in theory. At best you could take out one of them, since one person stays on the ship at all times usually. You should also know that the hitman has a beam weapon that he uses the wide beam setting on, and it's lethal. Short range of a 50 yards, but still lethal.

The one aboard the ship would either just leave (if it's the hitman, because he could care less anyway), or come back with a new employee to do the same job the former failed at. Just at another location on the planet.

So a plot twist huh?
Well, this is feasible then. I will use my silent guns to shot them down if the decline my request to become my hostages.

ME: Interesting offer, but I have another for you. How about I just keep you as my guests and coerce another buffoon to do it and we both enjoy the profit?
Alien 1: Looks foolishly at the other. No, it does not work like that.
ME: Fine then, you all shall suffer the same faith of becoming my hostages. Dota! Ich kaba!
Dota: *Comes in the room with silent guns and shoots both aliens down. (Not enough to kill them).
ME: *Goes up to pilot alien and offers a tea (it is a sedative).

Query: Where in the hell did they park their ship to begin with? Hopefully not on my roof, the neighbours will see. They better not just barge into my living room either, I would feel sorry for Dota. Anyway, back to my mini theory.

Pilot Alien: *Refuses the drink, so I just inject him with a sedative

THE END

You presume the aliens are idiots.

In the story, the alien meets the human at a coffe shop (starbucks to be precise) to discuss the job offer. This is after meeting him at starbucks earlier and giving him a business card to call his phone number (which the human does and meets him later at same coffee shop).

The aliens don't stay together in the same place for that very reason. And female pilot boss doesn't particularly like her hitman employee anyway, so even if you did somehow make him a hostage, she would likely let you keep him and do what you want.

And if you even try sneaking weapons aboard their ship, their sensors will detect it before you ever reach the ship. They have better sensors than humans do.

Oh and another thing to point out is that my syringe is not an actual weapon, I can just claim I have diabetes and it is insulin.

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Can I accept the offer and make my maid do the dirty work?

Nah... that won't work.

Why the bloody hell not?
Erm, can I to just take the aliens hostage. I mean they are not on sugar or anything so I can just keep them hostage until they agree to pay anyway (of course I am lying because I will expunge all the gold I can from them and destroy them afterwards). Will that work?

There are only two of them you have to worry about. The male alien who used to be a HITMAN for crying out loud, and his female boss. Both of them are sugared up when they arrive on Earth, just as a precaution. It's standard operating procedure when going to an alien planet.

And yes, a bullet could kill them like anyone else, even with powers. Your plan could work in theory. At best you could take out one of them, since one person stays on the ship at all times usually. You should also know that the hitman has a beam weapon that he uses the wide beam setting on, and it's lethal. Short range of a 50 yards, but still lethal.

The one aboard the ship would either just leave (if it's the hitman, because he could care less anyway), or come back with a new employee to do the same job the former failed at. Just at another location on the planet.

So a plot twist huh?
Well, this is feasible then. I will use my silent guns to shot them down if the decline my request to become my hostages.

ME: Interesting offer, but I have another for you. How about I just keep you as my guests and coerce another buffoon to do it and we both enjoy the profit?
Alien 1: Looks foolishly at the other. No, it does not work like that.
ME: Fine then, you all shall suffer the same faith of becoming my hostages. Dota! Ich kaba!
Dota: *Comes in the room with silent guns and shoots both aliens down. (Not enough to kill them).
ME: *Goes up to pilot alien and offers a tea (it is a sedative).

Query: Where in the hell did they park their ship to begin with? Hopefully not on my roof, the neighbours will see. They better not just barge into my living room either, I would feel sorry for Dota. Anyway, back to my mini theory.

Pilot Alien: *Refuses the drink, so I just inject him with a sedative

THE END

You presume the aliens are idiots.

In the story, the alien meets the human at a coffe shop (starbucks to be precise) to discuss the job offer. This is after meeting him at starbucks earlier and giving him a business card to call his phone number (which the human does and meets him later at same coffee shop).

The aliens don't stay together in the same place for that very reason. And female pilot boss doesn't particularly like her hitman employee anyway, so even if you did somehow make him a hostage, she would likely let you keep him and do what you want.

And if you even try sneaking weapons aboard their ship, their sensors will detect it before you ever reach the ship. They have better sensors than humans do.

Well the evidence compiled in the story you gave in the first post points out to them being idiots. Haha.
Anyway, so in that case I will just decline and take one of the aliens hostage. I can just make more money off of my alien hostage. Not to mention I now have an alien slave, it is like having a pet tiger.

Oh and they have to be idiots to want to meet at Starbucks, looking the way they do. Like what in the world?! Drug dealing in broad daylight, as clever as that may be, but being blue skin and with white hair just raises flags. Unless of course they are shapeshifting, and they look normal, but then again how will I know they are aliens in public. Will it not be odd to expose themselves as aliens at Starbucks. I also would not automatically invite them into my house, unless of course they barge in, then I have no choice but to listen to them. Which brings in another question. How did they manage to entice my attention in the first place, AT STARBUCKS?

In the story, the human character had been looking for work for 2 months without success, and one day he meets a pretty blonde (actually the female alien), who gives him a business card and tells him to call it if he wants work. She just walked up to him randomly, and asked if he had a job. When he said no, she gave him the card and said her company was hiring.

By the way: Aliens look JUST LIKE HUMANS. Except for blue skin/white hair and eye colors that aren't normal. They can change their color without ANY pain, and that is how they pass for human. She simply changed her colors, and that's all her hitman partner has to do.

As for how you know they are alien: In the story, the human doubts the alien, so he gives him what look like cheap cardboard 3-D glasses.

The alien tells him to put them on and look up in the sky... and the human sees the spaceship, which is otherwise invisible to the human eye.

That is proof enough.

Wait, so now this is not about me but another character? I thought you were asking if I were to be offered a job by the aliens. That is the title of it.

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Can I accept the offer and make my maid do the dirty work?

Nah... that won't work.

Why the bloody hell not?
Erm, can I to just take the aliens hostage. I mean they are not on sugar or anything so I can just keep them hostage until they agree to pay anyway (of course I am lying because I will expunge all the gold I can from them and destroy them afterwards). Will that work?

There are only two of them you have to worry about. The male alien who used to be a HITMAN for crying out loud, and his female boss. Both of them are sugared up when they arrive on Earth, just as a precaution. It's standard operating procedure when going to an alien planet.

And yes, a bullet could kill them like anyone else, even with powers. Your plan could work in theory. At best you could take out one of them, since one person stays on the ship at all times usually. You should also know that the hitman has a beam weapon that he uses the wide beam setting on, and it's lethal. Short range of a 50 yards, but still lethal.

The one aboard the ship would either just leave (if it's the hitman, because he could care less anyway), or come back with a new employee to do the same job the former failed at. Just at another location on the planet.

So a plot twist huh?
Well, this is feasible then. I will use my silent guns to shot them down if the decline my request to become my hostages.

ME: Interesting offer, but I have another for you. How about I just keep you as my guests and coerce another buffoon to do it and we both enjoy the profit?
Alien 1: Looks foolishly at the other. No, it does not work like that.
ME: Fine then, you all shall suffer the same faith of becoming my hostages. Dota! Ich kaba!
Dota: *Comes in the room with silent guns and shoots both aliens down. (Not enough to kill them).
ME: *Goes up to pilot alien and offers a tea (it is a sedative).

Query: Where in the hell did they park their ship to begin with? Hopefully not on my roof, the neighbours will see. They better not just barge into my living room either, I would feel sorry for Dota. Anyway, back to my mini theory.

Pilot Alien: *Refuses the drink, so I just inject him with a sedative

THE END

You presume the aliens are idiots.

In the story, the alien meets the human at a coffe shop (starbucks to be precise) to discuss the job offer. This is after meeting him at starbucks earlier and giving him a business card to call his phone number (which the human does and meets him later at same coffee shop).

The aliens don't stay together in the same place for that very reason. And female pilot boss doesn't particularly like her hitman employee anyway, so even if you did somehow make him a hostage, she would likely let you keep him and do what you want.

And if you even try sneaking weapons aboard their ship, their sensors will detect it before you ever reach the ship. They have better sensors than humans do.

Oh and another thing to point out is that my syringe is not an actual weapon, I can just claim I have diabetes and it is insulin.

If they find out you need injections from a syringe to stay healthy, they won't even hire you. They want somebody healthy. And no, they don't even know what diabetes is.

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Can I accept the offer and make my maid do the dirty work?

Nah... that won't work.

Why the bloody hell not?
Erm, can I to just take the aliens hostage. I mean they are not on sugar or anything so I can just keep them hostage until they agree to pay anyway (of course I am lying because I will expunge all the gold I can from them and destroy them afterwards). Will that work?

There are only two of them you have to worry about. The male alien who used to be a HITMAN for crying out loud, and his female boss. Both of them are sugared up when they arrive on Earth, just as a precaution. It's standard operating procedure when going to an alien planet.

And yes, a bullet could kill them like anyone else, even with powers. Your plan could work in theory. At best you could take out one of them, since one person stays on the ship at all times usually. You should also know that the hitman has a beam weapon that he uses the wide beam setting on, and it's lethal. Short range of a 50 yards, but still lethal.

The one aboard the ship would either just leave (if it's the hitman, because he could care less anyway), or come back with a new employee to do the same job the former failed at. Just at another location on the planet.

So a plot twist huh?
Well, this is feasible then. I will use my silent guns to shot them down if the decline my request to become my hostages.

ME: Interesting offer, but I have another for you. How about I just keep you as my guests and coerce another buffoon to do it and we both enjoy the profit?
Alien 1: Looks foolishly at the other. No, it does not work like that.
ME: Fine then, you all shall suffer the same faith of becoming my hostages. Dota! Ich kaba!
Dota: *Comes in the room with silent guns and shoots both aliens down. (Not enough to kill them).
ME: *Goes up to pilot alien and offers a tea (it is a sedative).

Query: Where in the hell did they park their ship to begin with? Hopefully not on my roof, the neighbours will see. They better not just barge into my living room either, I would feel sorry for Dota. Anyway, back to my mini theory.

Pilot Alien: *Refuses the drink, so I just inject him with a sedative

THE END

You presume the aliens are idiots.

In the story, the alien meets the human at a coffe shop (starbucks to be precise) to discuss the job offer. This is after meeting him at starbucks earlier and giving him a business card to call his phone number (which the human does and meets him later at same coffee shop).

The aliens don't stay together in the same place for that very reason. And female pilot boss doesn't particularly like her hitman employee anyway, so even if you did somehow make him a hostage, she would likely let you keep him and do what you want.

And if you even try sneaking weapons aboard their ship, their sensors will detect it before you ever reach the ship. They have better sensors than humans do.

Well the evidence compiled in the story you gave in the first post points out to them being idiots. Haha.
Anyway, so in that case I will just decline and take one of the aliens hostage. I can just make more money off of my alien hostage. Not to mention I now have an alien slave, it is like having a pet tiger.

Oh and they have to be idiots to want to meet at Starbucks, looking the way they do. Like what in the world?! Drug dealing in broad daylight, as clever as that may be, but being blue skin and with white hair just raises flags. Unless of course they are shapeshifting, and they look normal, but then again how will I know they are aliens in public. Will it not be odd to expose themselves as aliens at Starbucks. I also would not automatically invite them into my house, unless of course they barge in, then I have no choice but to listen to them. Which brings in another question. How did they manage to entice my attention in the first place, AT STARBUCKS?

In the story, the human character had been looking for work for 2 months without success, and one day he meets a pretty blonde (actually the female alien), who gives him a business card and tells him to call it if he wants work. She just walked up to him randomly, and asked if he had a job. When he said no, she gave him the card and said her company was hiring.

By the way: Aliens look JUST LIKE HUMANS. Except for blue skin/white hair and eye colors that aren't normal. They can change their color without ANY pain, and that is how they pass for human. She simply changed her colors, and that's all her hitman partner has to do.

As for how you know they are alien: In the story, the human doubts the alien, so he gives him what look like cheap cardboard 3-D glasses.

The alien tells him to put them on and look up in the sky... and the human sees the spaceship, which is otherwise invisible to the human eye.

That is proof enough.

Wait, so now this is not about me but another character? I thought you were asking if I were to be offered a job by the aliens. That is the title of it.

If you happened to be at starbucks and they asked you if you had a job, and you say "Yes." then this entire game ends. They will go elsewhere.

Humans are all the same to them, as long as one is not messed up in the head or physically disabled, and they can read and write, they are good to hire. Adults of course.

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Can I accept the offer and make my maid do the dirty work?

Nah... that won't work.

Why the bloody hell not?
Erm, can I to just take the aliens hostage. I mean they are not on sugar or anything so I can just keep them hostage until they agree to pay anyway (of course I am lying because I will expunge all the gold I can from them and destroy them afterwards). Will that work?

There are only two of them you have to worry about. The male alien who used to be a HITMAN for crying out loud, and his female boss. Both of them are sugared up when they arrive on Earth, just as a precaution. It's standard operating procedure when going to an alien planet.

And yes, a bullet could kill them like anyone else, even with powers. Your plan could work in theory. At best you could take out one of them, since one person stays on the ship at all times usually. You should also know that the hitman has a beam weapon that he uses the wide beam setting on, and it's lethal. Short range of a 50 yards, but still lethal.

The one aboard the ship would either just leave (if it's the hitman, because he could care less anyway), or come back with a new employee to do the same job the former failed at. Just at another location on the planet.

So a plot twist huh?
Well, this is feasible then. I will use my silent guns to shot them down if the decline my request to become my hostages.

ME: Interesting offer, but I have another for you. How about I just keep you as my guests and coerce another buffoon to do it and we both enjoy the profit?
Alien 1: Looks foolishly at the other. No, it does not work like that.
ME: Fine then, you all shall suffer the same faith of becoming my hostages. Dota! Ich kaba!
Dota: *Comes in the room with silent guns and shoots both aliens down. (Not enough to kill them).
ME: *Goes up to pilot alien and offers a tea (it is a sedative).

Query: Where in the hell did they park their ship to begin with? Hopefully not on my roof, the neighbours will see. They better not just barge into my living room either, I would feel sorry for Dota. Anyway, back to my mini theory.

Pilot Alien: *Refuses the drink, so I just inject him with a sedative

THE END

You presume the aliens are idiots.

In the story, the alien meets the human at a coffe shop (starbucks to be precise) to discuss the job offer. This is after meeting him at starbucks earlier and giving him a business card to call his phone number (which the human does and meets him later at same coffee shop).

The aliens don't stay together in the same place for that very reason. And female pilot boss doesn't particularly like her hitman employee anyway, so even if you did somehow make him a hostage, she would likely let you keep him and do what you want.

And if you even try sneaking weapons aboard their ship, their sensors will detect it before you ever reach the ship. They have better sensors than humans do.

Oh and another thing to point out is that my syringe is not an actual weapon, I can just claim I have diabetes and it is insulin.

If they find out you need injections from a syringe to stay healthy, they won't even hire you. They want somebody healthy. And no, they don't even know what diabetes is.

That makes it even better. I can say it is better than sugar (which pretty much is). Exactly, so if they do not know what diabetes is, how will they know I am healthy or unhealthy? Can I not just mind fuck the aliens into doing my every whim?

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Can I accept the offer and make my maid do the dirty work?

Nah... that won't work.

Why the bloody hell not?
Erm, can I to just take the aliens hostage. I mean they are not on sugar or anything so I can just keep them hostage until they agree to pay anyway (of course I am lying because I will expunge all the gold I can from them and destroy them afterwards). Will that work?

There are only two of them you have to worry about. The male alien who used to be a HITMAN for crying out loud, and his female boss. Both of them are sugared up when they arrive on Earth, just as a precaution. It's standard operating procedure when going to an alien planet.

And yes, a bullet could kill them like anyone else, even with powers. Your plan could work in theory. At best you could take out one of them, since one person stays on the ship at all times usually. You should also know that the hitman has a beam weapon that he uses the wide beam setting on, and it's lethal. Short range of a 50 yards, but still lethal.

The one aboard the ship would either just leave (if it's the hitman, because he could care less anyway), or come back with a new employee to do the same job the former failed at. Just at another location on the planet.

So a plot twist huh?
Well, this is feasible then. I will use my silent guns to shot them down if the decline my request to become my hostages.

ME: Interesting offer, but I have another for you. How about I just keep you as my guests and coerce another buffoon to do it and we both enjoy the profit?
Alien 1: Looks foolishly at the other. No, it does not work like that.
ME: Fine then, you all shall suffer the same faith of becoming my hostages. Dota! Ich kaba!
Dota: *Comes in the room with silent guns and shoots both aliens down. (Not enough to kill them).
ME: *Goes up to pilot alien and offers a tea (it is a sedative).

Query: Where in the hell did they park their ship to begin with? Hopefully not on my roof, the neighbours will see. They better not just barge into my living room either, I would feel sorry for Dota. Anyway, back to my mini theory.

Pilot Alien: *Refuses the drink, so I just inject him with a sedative

THE END

You presume the aliens are idiots.

In the story, the alien meets the human at a coffe shop (starbucks to be precise) to discuss the job offer. This is after meeting him at starbucks earlier and giving him a business card to call his phone number (which the human does and meets him later at same coffee shop).

The aliens don't stay together in the same place for that very reason. And female pilot boss doesn't particularly like her hitman employee anyway, so even if you did somehow make him a hostage, she would likely let you keep him and do what you want.

And if you even try sneaking weapons aboard their ship, their sensors will detect it before you ever reach the ship. They have better sensors than humans do.

Well the evidence compiled in the story you gave in the first post points out to them being idiots. Haha.
Anyway, so in that case I will just decline and take one of the aliens hostage. I can just make more money off of my alien hostage. Not to mention I now have an alien slave, it is like having a pet tiger.

Oh and they have to be idiots to want to meet at Starbucks, looking the way they do. Like what in the world?! Drug dealing in broad daylight, as clever as that may be, but being blue skin and with white hair just raises flags. Unless of course they are shapeshifting, and they look normal, but then again how will I know they are aliens in public. Will it not be odd to expose themselves as aliens at Starbucks. I also would not automatically invite them into my house, unless of course they barge in, then I have no choice but to listen to them. Which brings in another question. How did they manage to entice my attention in the first place, AT STARBUCKS?

In the story, the human character had been looking for work for 2 months without success, and one day he meets a pretty blonde (actually the female alien), who gives him a business card and tells him to call it if he wants work. She just walked up to him randomly, and asked if he had a job. When he said no, she gave him the card and said her company was hiring.

By the way: Aliens look JUST LIKE HUMANS. Except for blue skin/white hair and eye colors that aren't normal. They can change their color without ANY pain, and that is how they pass for human. She simply changed her colors, and that's all her hitman partner has to do.

As for how you know they are alien: In the story, the human doubts the alien, so he gives him what look like cheap cardboard 3-D glasses.

The alien tells him to put them on and look up in the sky... and the human sees the spaceship, which is otherwise invisible to the human eye.

That is proof enough.

Wait, so now this is not about me but another character? I thought you were asking if I were to be offered a job by the aliens. That is the title of it.

If you happened to be at starbucks and they asked you if you had a job, and you say "Yes." then this entire game ends. They will go elsewhere.

Humans are all the same to them, as long as one is not messed up in the head or physically disabled, and they can read and write, they are good to hire. Adults of course.

But I do not have a job, so they game is still on. Go team RM!

They would try the same way they tried on the human character, since their is nothing about you special to them, they didn't choose you because you were special, they just picked you at random.

Remember, the aliens can't lie. They are biologically incapable of lying. That said, some, especially criminals like the ones your dealing with, envy species that can lie. Knowing you can lie and they can't will at least make them suspcious when you say anything that might give you an advantage over them. They are the only species they know that can't lie (besides animals).

Also, it is either cane sugar, or beet sugar that gives them superpowers. Nothing else compares, not even insulin.

Originally Posted by lorbo

The one aboard the ship would either just leave (if it's the hitman, because he could care less anyway), or come back with a new employee to do the same job the former failed at. Just at another location on the planet.

Infect them both with something. Then once they're gone send them a message that you have some excellent human antibiotics that will clear that problem right up. (Or if you are evil offer them the triple cocktail for HIV control; explain that they will need to take it forever, and they will die without it. That should get their attention.)

Or just infect their ship with a computer virus. When they go to leave, and discover they can't, offer Norton Utilities for the low, low rate of 1000 kilograms of gold.

"their ship can bend ALL electromagnetic radiation around it"

I would have the ship bend all EMR except a narrow band of UV, so they can see the outside from within (altering the wavelenght once inside the bubble) and see the ship with their special glasses. (Plus any exception/flaw/achillies heel can be used as a plot device later on if need be)

Originally Posted by lorbo

They would try the same way they tried on the human character, since their is nothing about you special to them, they didn't choose you because you were special, they just picked you at random.

Laugh out loud, so I can still take one hostage, regardless of whether I actually take the job or not?

Healthy? They can use bio-scanners on the ship to scan you. It would detect any abnormalities.

Their civilization is light years ahead of Earth tech, so they can do this.

Originally Posted by lorbo

Remember, the aliens can't lie. They are biologically incapable of lying. That said, some, especially criminals like the ones your dealing with, envy species that can lie. Knowing you can lie and they can't will at least make them suspcious when you say anything that might give you an advantage over them. They are the only species they know that can't lie (besides animals).

Also, it is either cane sugar, or beet sugar that gives them superpowers. Nothing else compares, not even insulin.

But we are animals! Laugh out loud. Well I can just say it is either of them and say it is pure liquified sugar, or cane sugar. Can I just beat them with a baboon stick and say that getting beat by one is equivalent to eating sugar?

No but seriously, if I take the offer, how do they know I am actually doing what they ask of me if they are on another planet?

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

They would try the same way they tried on the human character, since their is nothing about you special to them, they didn't choose you because you were special, they just picked you at random.

Laugh out loud, so I can still take one hostage, regardless of whether I actually take the job or not?

if you managed to overcome an alien hitman who can paralyze you just by touching you if he so chooses, who also has a wide beam weapon with a max range of 50 yards (150 ft), who can also FLY LIKE SUPERMAN... then sure, could.

But how your gonna do this is beyond me? Who are you? Batman?

Originally Posted by lorbo

Healthy? They can use bio-scanners on the ship to scan you. It would detect any abnormalities.

Their civilization is light years ahead of Earth tech, so they can do this.

But light years is a form of measuring distance, not time.

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

They would try the same way they tried on the human character, since their is nothing about you special to them, they didn't choose you because you were special, they just picked you at random.

Laugh out loud, so I can still take one hostage, regardless of whether I actually take the job or not?

if you managed to overcome an alien hitman who can paralyze you just by touching you if he so chooses, who also has a wide beam weapon with a max range of 50 yards (150 ft), who can also FLY LIKE SUPERMAN... then sure, could.

But how your gonna do this is beyond me? Who are you? Batman?

I am the DARK PHOENIX.

But I never got on the ship, how would they scan me if the scanner is inside the ship?

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Remember, the aliens can't lie. They are biologically incapable of lying. That said, some, especially criminals like the ones your dealing with, envy species that can lie. Knowing you can lie and they can't will at least make them suspcious when you say anything that might give you an advantage over them. They are the only species they know that can't lie (besides animals).

Also, it is either cane sugar, or beet sugar that gives them superpowers. Nothing else compares, not even insulin.

But we are animals! Laugh out loud. Well I can just say it is either of them and say it is pure liquified sugar, or cane sugar. Can I just beat them with a baboon stick and say that getting beat by one is equivalent to eating sugar?

No but seriously, if I take the offer, how do they know I am actually doing what they ask of me if they are on another planet?

Tachyonic sensors. Tachyons are theoretical faster than light particles we can't prove exist. But they do in FICTION.

In the story, the human character can't even detect tachyonic light without the special '3-D' glasses. The aliens don't need the glasses since they have had injections that allow them to see it, when it's emitted from their spaceship.

They will know what your up to.

Originally Posted by lorbo

Healthy? They can use bio-scanners on the ship to scan you. It would detect any abnormalities.

Use a prion based infection (Mad Cow disease.) It's undetectable. Or use an e. coli based infection. Their scanners would say "you have tons of e. coli on you - and so does everything you touched. Humans have pounds of the stuff in them; it's harmless." Until they start getting the squirts, that is.

Their civilization is light years ahead of Earth tech, so they can do this.

Didn't you ever see War of the Worlds? The more advanced they are, the more at-risk they are for the simple attacks. I mean, imagine George Washington trying to stop the British by using a computer virus attack or a denial-of-service attack. They'd be totally immune. But today? That would work quite well.

Originally Posted by icewendigo

"their ship can bend ALL electromagnetic radiation around it"

I would have the ship bend all EMR except a narrow band of UV, so they can see the outside from within (altering the wavelenght once inside the bubble) and see the ship with their special glasses. (Plus any exception/flaw/achillies heel can be used as a plot device later on if need be)

They will see the ship no matter what. The EMR cloak bends EMR, not tachyons.

The special 3-D glasses are for aliens/humansthat haven't had injections to see tachyonic light. When aboard an alien spaceship, if they aren't using normal lighting (which they have, but don't have to use), everything would be pitch black, but be clear as day to one who could see tachyonic light.

And EMR cloak is sufficient to cloak against a class 2 civilization (which is how they classify humans, who have only mastered electricity somewhat). They classify themselves asl class 9. Which means in simple terms, they make gravity obey them (in specific ways), amongst other things.

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Remember, the aliens can't lie. They are biologically incapable of lying. That said, some, especially criminals like the ones your dealing with, envy species that can lie. Knowing you can lie and they can't will at least make them suspcious when you say anything that might give you an advantage over them. They are the only species they know that can't lie (besides animals).

Also, it is either cane sugar, or beet sugar that gives them superpowers. Nothing else compares, not even insulin.

But we are animals! Laugh out loud. Well I can just say it is either of them and say it is pure liquified sugar, or cane sugar. Can I just beat them with a baboon stick and say that getting beat by one is equivalent to eating sugar?

No but seriously, if I take the offer, how do they know I am actually doing what they ask of me if they are on another planet?

Tachyonic sensors. Tachyons are theoretical faster than light particles we can't prove exist. But they do in FICTION.

In the story, the human character can't even detect tachyonic light without the special '3-D' glasses. The aliens don't need the glasses since they have had injections that allow them to see it, when it's emitted from their spaceship.

They will know what your up to.

So if I have a common cold, infection, etc.. They will not choose me? Who the hell would be left? I highly doubt ANY human is healthy. I mean a lot have underlying conditions that stay dormant, an aneurism can exist forever without the person ever knowing. How about cancer, mental illnesses is a dead give away. Haha. I mean seriously, who would they choose on earth if this were the case?

Originally Posted by billvon

Originally Posted by lorbo

Healthy? They can use bio-scanners on the ship to scan you. It would detect any abnormalities.

Use a prion based infection (Mad Cow disease.) It's undetectable. Or use an e. coli based infection. Their scanners would say "you have tons of e. coli on you - and so does everything you touched. Humans have pounds of the stuff in them; it's harmless." Until they start getting the squirts, that is.

Their civilization is light years ahead of Earth tech, so they can do this.

Didn't you ever see War of the Worlds? The more advanced they are, the more at-risk they are for the simple attacks. I mean, imagine George Washington trying to stop the British by using a computer virus attack or a denial-of-service attack. They'd be totally immune. But today? That would work quite well.

I grant you that, but I don't you think you have the time to cook up such a scheme. If you decide to join them, you will be learning the ropes of being an interstellar smuggler.

On your off days, you could go back to Earth and make some E.coli and possibly con them big time.

Suffice to say, you can't con these guys unless you have ALREADY joined them.

Fortunately for you, this is a small group. The female would be your boss, the hitman your partner. Overtime you could actually befriend them. Since you would face the same challenges.

Besides, they are small time sugar dealers, who just managed to hit the jack pot of sugar loads (earth with sugar bearing plants). In interstellar space, you will be at odds with other, larger sugar gangs, powerful sugar cartels, and the alien government which wants to take them all down.

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Remember, the aliens can't lie. They are biologically incapable of lying. That said, some, especially criminals like the ones your dealing with, envy species that can lie. Knowing you can lie and they can't will at least make them suspcious when you say anything that might give you an advantage over them. They are the only species they know that can't lie (besides animals).

Also, it is either cane sugar, or beet sugar that gives them superpowers. Nothing else compares, not even insulin.

But we are animals! Laugh out loud. Well I can just say it is either of them and say it is pure liquified sugar, or cane sugar. Can I just beat them with a baboon stick and say that getting beat by one is equivalent to eating sugar?

No but seriously, if I take the offer, how do they know I am actually doing what they ask of me if they are on another planet?

Tachyonic sensors. Tachyons are theoretical faster than light particles we can't prove exist. But they do in FICTION.

In the story, the human character can't even detect tachyonic light without the special '3-D' glasses. The aliens don't need the glasses since they have had injections that allow them to see it, when it's emitted from their spaceship.

They will know what your up to.

So if I have a common cold, infection, etc.. They will not choose me? Who the hell would be left? I highly doubt ANY human is healthy. I mean a lot have underlying conditions that stay dormant, an aneurism can exist forever without the person ever knowing. How about cancer, mental illnesses is a dead give away. Haha. I mean seriously, who would they choose on earth if this were the case?

Diabetes is something that is too maintenance heavy, they don't want somebody that needs a syringe 24'7, not when said person might be in dangerous situations, possibly even shoot outs/space-battles with alien thugs (which they of course declined to tell you).

A common cold? Not a big deal.

Originally Posted by lorbo

Besides, they are small time sugar dealers, who just managed to hit the jack pot of sugar loads (earth with sugar bearing plants). In interstellar space, you will be at odds with other, larger sugar gangs, powerful sugar cartels, and the alien government which wants to take them all down.

I would have a hard time believing that there are aliens who can detect and cure almost any disease, can travel across galaxies, paralyze you with a touch, see "tachyonic light" etc etc - but can't make sugar.

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Originally Posted by lorbo

Remember, the aliens can't lie. They are biologically incapable of lying. That said, some, especially criminals like the ones your dealing with, envy species that can lie. Knowing you can lie and they can't will at least make them suspcious when you say anything that might give you an advantage over them. They are the only species they know that can't lie (besides animals).

Also, it is either cane sugar, or beet sugar that gives them superpowers. Nothing else compares, not even insulin.

But we are animals! Laugh out loud. Well I can just say it is either of them and say it is pure liquified sugar, or cane sugar. Can I just beat them with a baboon stick and say that getting beat by one is equivalent to eating sugar?

No but seriously, if I take the offer, how do they know I am actually doing what they ask of me if they are on another planet?

Tachyonic sensors. Tachyons are theoretical faster than light particles we can't prove exist. But they do in FICTION.

In the story, the human character can't even detect tachyonic light without the special '3-D' glasses. The aliens don't need the glasses since they have had injections that allow them to see it, when it's emitted from their spaceship.

They will know what your up to.

So if I have a common cold, infection, etc.. They will not choose me? Who the hell would be left? I highly doubt ANY human is healthy. I mean a lot have underlying conditions that stay dormant, an aneurism can exist forever without the person ever knowing. How about cancer, mental illnesses is a dead give away. Haha. I mean seriously, who would they choose on earth if this were the case?

Diabetes is something that is too maintenance heavy, they don't want somebody that needs a syringe 24'7, not when said person might be in dangerous situations, possibly even shoot outs/space-battles with alien thugs (which they of course declined to tell you).

A common cold? Not a big deal.

But I do not have diabetes so I will just say it is my birth control shot (which I lie about of course). Besides, it is not like I am actually going to be carrying the syringe 24/7, it was just for the purposes of sedating them to take them hostage.

Originally Posted by billvon

Originally Posted by lorbo

Besides, they are small time sugar dealers, who just managed to hit the jack pot of sugar loads (earth with sugar bearing plants). In interstellar space, you will be at odds with other, larger sugar gangs, powerful sugar cartels, and the alien government which wants to take them all down.

I would have a hard time believing that there are aliens who can detect and cure almost any disease, can travel across galaxies, paralyze you with a touch, see "tachyonic light" etc etc - but can't make sugar.

And yet, we are to presume they are not idiots.

I cannot like your post. :'(

curing diabetes will probably be easy in the future with a mix of cell injection and gene therapy, but these aliens might lack the time and devices to cure that on the spot. Though they could bring the individual in a space clinic and he could be cured the next day, and might have a debt to repay...

"I would have a hard time believing that there are aliens who can detect and cure almost any disease, can travel across galaxies, paralyze you with a touch, see "tachyonic light" etc etc - but can't make sugar."
yeah, i didnt want to mention it, but...hum, i agree it makes no sense

Originally Posted by billvon

Originally Posted by lorbo

Besides, they are small time sugar dealers, who just managed to hit the jack pot of sugar loads (earth with sugar bearing plants). In interstellar space, you will be at odds with other, larger sugar gangs, powerful sugar cartels, and the alien government which wants to take them all down.

I would have a hard time believing that there are aliens who can detect and cure almost any disease, can travel across galaxies, paralyze you with a touch, see "tachyonic light" etc etc - but can't make sugar.

I never said they could cure any disease. But when sugar is only a rare mineral on your world, that you mine from the ground... that is an issue.

Parylyzing with touch is merely an aspect of touch hydrogen control. Which is a superpower some of them gain from sugar. Anything they touch that has sufficient hydrogen (water, a human body etc) can be effected. They could heat up the fluids freeze them. They could even control body movement as long as they were holding on to the person in question.

They would have have replicated the stuff if they could (and no, they don't have star trek replicators).

Originally Posted by icewendigo

curing diabetes will probably be easy in the future with a mix of cell injection and gene therapy, but these aliens might lack the time and devices to cure that on the spot. Though they could bring the individual in a space clinic and he could be cured the next day, and might have a debt to repay...

"I would have a hard time believing that there are aliens who can detect and cure almost any disease, can travel across galaxies, paralyze you with a touch, see "tachyonic light" etc etc - but can't make sugar."
yeah, i didnt want to mention it, but...hum, i agree it makes no sense

Hey, I suppose every story has it's achilles hill, if you look long enough, every story has it. It's still not as godmode as some science fiction. They are not the Time Lords, or the Xeelee, or the... Q

Can we just agree that I was able to fool the aliens, and take away all their gold and enslave their entire race and conquered the world?

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by icewendigo

curing diabetes will probably be easy in the future with a mix of cell injection and gene therapy, but these aliens might lack the time and devices to cure that on the spot. Though they could bring the individual in a space clinic and he could be cured the next day, and might have a debt to repay...

"I would have a hard time believing that there are aliens who can detect and cure almost any disease, can travel across galaxies, paralyze you with a touch, see "tachyonic light" etc etc - but can't make sugar."
yeah, i didnt want to mention it, but...hum, i agree it makes no sense

Hey, I suppose every story has it's achilles hill, if you look long enough, every story has it. It's still not as godmode as some science fiction. They are not the Time Lords, or the Xeelee, or the... Q

Lorbobaby, I do not know what those are. :P

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Can we just agree that I was able to fool the aliens, and take away all their gold and enslave their entire race and conquered the world?

I can't even do the mental gymnastics required to envision such a feat.. it's worlds, not world. They own more than one world.

But if it you makes you feel any better, sure... you win LOL.

Originally Posted by lorbo

Originally Posted by rmbettencourt

Can we just agree that I was able to fool the aliens, and take away all their gold and enslave their entire race and conquered the world?

I can't even do the mental gymnastics required to envision such a feat.. it's worlds, not world. They own more than one world.

But if it you makes you feel any better, sure... you win LOL.

Oh, well in that case more power to me. Oh I always win, I will argue them down until they just hand me over the gold. Laugh out loud. Although I was talking about our world, not theirs (theirs'?? ).

I liked this thread. It was all fun and laughter. I especially like the beating with a baboon. Well, how about we do this, I enslaved them with the help of my deathbot. Heeeh, . Would that require less mental gymnastics? At least your brain was stimulated in some form, even in the slightest.

Originally Posted by lorbo

I never said they could cure any disease. But when sugar is only a rare mineral on your world, that you mine from the ground... that is an issue.

Sugar is carbon, oxygen and hydrogen. You can make it from water and CO2, both of which they have if they are humanoid. You can get it from microorganisms. You can get it from plants and trees - and again if they are humanoid, then they have carbohydrate-producing plants in their ecosystem. I would be very distrustful of any super high tech aliens who claimed they couldn't do that.

Imagine being in a Starbucks and having an NSA agent approach you. "Excuse me, but we would like to hire you. You see, someone has a code out there where they have written messages in English, but have replaced each letter with a unique symbol, and we just can't crack the code. Yeah, we can read your underwear label from space, and can crack any other code, but this substitution cypher just baffles us. Would you be willing to do this for us? We will pay you $100 million a year."

Would you believe him, or would you suspect something was awry?

Originally Posted by billvon

Originally Posted by SowZ37

How does the Iraq War prove anything?

It doesn't; I was responding to it because you brought it up.

And yeah, we eventually pulled out. We disagreed with the Iraq war waaaaay before we pulled out. If we had stayed in for forty years then pulled out, would it just be a delay?

That would be much worse. As it stands, three years isn't too bad fora major change in policy by a representative democracy, given that often you have to campaign for and elect the people who will make the change happen.

As to the constitution, no, laws are not what society deems good by definition.

Laws are passed by the legislature for several purposes, including providing for the general welfare of the people of the United States. They are also passed for other reasons (like regulating the military) but they are guided by the principle that they must promote the welfare of the people.

Everyone didn't get a say in the constitution. At least 40% of the population didn't support the Declaration of Independence, probably more.

"Not everyone wants to do it but we did it anyway, because most people wanted it" is sort of the definition of democracy.

Regardless, most of my points have to do with other countries, which remains unaddressed. Many examples, including our own declaration of independence but also countless dictators, prove that laws are not by definition what society deems moral.

You keep using exceptions to try to prove the rule. My position is that MOST laws represent the morals of the people who pass them, because they were passed by societies for the purpose of expressing their societal view of right and wrong in a structured framework. This works much better in a democracy but works well in most forms of government - again, with a few glaring exceptions.

These aren't glaring exceptions. Most countries are not functioning democracies or republics.

Originally Posted by SowZ37

These aren't glaring exceptions. Most countries are not functioning democracies or republics.

Correct. However, even in countries that are NOT democracies, the laws generally represent the morals of the people who make up the society. You may disagree with them (as I often do) but that doesn't change the fact that it represents their society's morals.

Originally Posted by billvon

Originally Posted by SowZ37

These aren't glaring exceptions. Most countries are not functioning democracies or republics.

Correct. However, even in countries that are NOT democracies, the laws generally represent the morals of the people who make up the society. You may disagree with them (as I often do) but that doesn't change the fact that it represents their society's morals.

Dictators frequently pass laws, not just a couple exceptions but tons, that the citizenry is opposed to.

As showed earlier, most US residents probably didn't agree with the Declaration of Independence.