Notices
Results 1 to 25 of 25
Like Tree2Likes
  • 1 Post By Flick Montana
  • 1 Post By shlunka

Thread: Batman Always Wins... NOT

  1. #1 Batman Always Wins... NOT 
    Forum Junior
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    256
    People like to say that Batman always wins, but it's more a joke, especially when going against guys like superman, godzilla, and you name it.

    So this post made me laugh so hard I was crying laughing. Perhaps you will too?

    Especially if you're familiar with the whole Batman wins trophe?

    Batman can be wearing kryptonite. He can have ingested kryptonite. He can be wearing a kryptonite jacob's ladder for all I care.

    Superman is blood lusted. He can speedblitz him at dozens of times the speed of light.

    And kryptonite is having diminishing effects on Superman anyways - look how he ripped Luthor's ship (made entirely of kryptonite) to shreds.

    I remember one fan comic that showed how the Batman/Superman fight SHOULD go.

    Batman was all decked out in kryptonite, ready to tangle with Kal El.

    Superman, on the other hand, was busy pushing the planet into the Sun. Superman wins.



    Reply With Quote  
     

  2.  
     

  3. #2  
    Life-Size Nanoputian Flick Montana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Flatland
    Posts
    5,438
    Not sure that it's really a fair fight. I mean, Batman doesn't even have superpowers. He just has some cool gear.

    I've never been a big Superman fan because he's so ludicrously powerful. I get that he's the epitome of the average American (disregarding the fact that he's not from Earth, much less America), but every time he was in a situation he seemed to randomly develop a new superpower. It got kind of lame.


    "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin
    Reply With Quote  
     

  4. #3  
    Moderator Moderator Cogito Ergo Sum's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Belgium
    Posts
    2,507
    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Not sure that it's really a fair fight. I mean, Batman doesn't even have superpowers. He just has some cool gear.

    I've never been a big Superman fan because he's so ludicrously powerful. I get that he's the epitome of the average American (disregarding the fact that he's not from Earth, much less America), but every time he was in a situation he seemed to randomly develop a new superpower. It got kind of lame.

    In the earlier comics, he could develop new superpowers when the situation required that (which was lame).
    However, his superpowers are more consistent in the more recent issues (1985 and afterwards), despite the many reboots.

    I hope the Batman vs. Superman issue will be settled when the sequel of Man of Steel (2013) comes out in 2016.

    Quote Originally Posted by lorbo
    And kryptonite is having diminishing effects on Superman anyways - look how he ripped Luthor's ship (made entirely of kryptonite) to shreds.

    I have never understood the issue with kryptonite. Superman's greatest weakness is a rock.
    The Man of Steel must have a uncomfortable feeling when he is around geologists.
    "The only safe rule is to dispute only with those of your acquaintance of whom you know that they possess sufficient intelligence and self-respect not to advance absurdities; to appeal to reason and not to authority, and to listen to reason and yield to it; and, finally, to be willing to accept reason even from an opponent, and to be just enough to bear being proved to be in the wrong."

    ~ Arthur Schopenhauer, The Art of Being Right: 38 Ways to Win an Argument (1831), Stratagem XXXVIII.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  5. #4  
    Forum Ph.D. stander-j's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Winnipeg
    Posts
    854
    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Not sure that it's really a fair fight. I mean, Batman doesn't even have superpowers. He just has some cool gear.

    I've never been a big Superman fan because he's so ludicrously powerful. I get that he's the epitome of the average American (disregarding the fact that he's not from Earth, much less America), but every time he was in a situation he seemed to randomly develop a new superpower. It got kind of lame.
    IIRC the main thing Batman has going for him is his Odysseus-like, and therefore the equal of Zeus in counsel, intellect. The dude has a contingency plan for every situation. Although I am pretty sure it is non-canonical, in the Dark Knight Returns, Batman kicks the crap out of Superman... Though some have argued Superman was holding back.

    In a canonical comic, however, it is revealed that, indeed, Batman has a contingency plan for every member of the Justice League. These plans were stolen and effectively used against each member of the JL, and was a betrayal of their trust - which is why Batman ultimately revealed his true identity to them.
    "Cultivated leisure is the aim of man."
    Reply With Quote  
     

  6. #5  
    Forum Masters Degree
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    592
    Batman beats Superman a number of times, but only because Clark is unwilling to go as far as Bruce is. Were Clark to ever go all out, it would be over before it began and Batman knows it. Bruce's contingencies for dealing with the Supes, therefore, are often as much/more based in manipulating Clark at a psychological level or manipulating more powerful heroes to do what he wants. There becomes a point when preparedness and intelligence cannot contend with raw power. Superman is past that line for the vast majority of braniacs.

    Quote Originally Posted by stander-j View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Not sure that it's really a fair fight. I mean, Batman doesn't even have superpowers. He just has some cool gear.
    Quote Originally Posted by stander-j View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post

    I've never been a big Superman fan because he's so ludicrously powerful. I get that he's the epitome of the average American (disregarding the fact that he's not from Earth, much less America), but every time he was in a situation he seemed to randomly develop a new superpower. It got kind of lame.


    IIRC the main thing Batman has going for him is his Odysseus-like, and therefore the equal of Zeus in counsel, intellect. The dude has a contingency plan for every situation. Although I am pretty sure it is non-canonical, in the Dark Knight Returns, Batman kicks the crap out of Superman... Though some have argued Superman was holding back.

    In a canonical comic, however, it is revealed that, indeed, Batman has a contingency plan for every member of the Justice League. These plans were stolen and effectively used against each member of the JL, and was a betrayal of their trust - which is why Batman ultimately revealed his true identity to them.


    For one, Frank Miller interprets Superman at a lower power level than the actual canon would put him, (though it certainly varies there, too.) That's fine, it was a good creative decision on Frank's part. Superman's literal god-like power wouldn't have fit his tone as well. Second, yeah, Superman was both A. Overconfident and B. Not Willing to Kill/Permanantly Injure Bruce. Even in DKR, Batman could not have defeated Superman in a fair fight. In DKSA, Batman manipulated Green Arrow into defeating Superman with a kryptonite arrow. But that is absurd and makes about as much sense as Slade stabbing the Flash in Identity Crisis. None.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  7. #6  
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    1,034
    What about Batman versus Khan?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  8. #7  
    Forum Masters Degree
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    592
    Quote Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw View Post
    What about Batman versus Khan?
    Which Khan?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  9. #8  
    Life-Size Nanoputian Flick Montana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Flatland
    Posts
    5,438
    Noonien Singh? I'd pay to see that.
    "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin
    Reply With Quote  
     

  10. #9  
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    1,034
    Quote Originally Posted by SowZ37 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw View Post
    What about Batman versus Khan?
    Which Khan?
    Latest Star Trek.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  11. #10  
    Life-Size Nanoputian Flick Montana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Flatland
    Posts
    5,438
    Quote Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SowZ37 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw View Post
    What about Batman versus Khan?
    Which Khan?
    Latest Star Trek.
    No, the SECOND Star Trek movie. Ricardo Montalban will ALWAYS be Khan.

    EDIT: Also, one of TOS episodes. The second season of Star Trek: TOS is the stuff of TV legend.
    Last edited by Flick Montana; April 19th, 2014 at 03:06 PM.
    shlunka likes this.
    "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin
    Reply With Quote  
     

  12. #11  
    Malignant Pimple shlunka's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Dogbox in front of Dywyddyr's house.
    Posts
    1,783
    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SowZ37 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw View Post
    What about Batman versus Khan?
    Which Khan?
    Latest Star Trek.
    No, the SECOND Star Trek movie. Ricardo Montalban will ALWAYS be Khan.
    More charismatic, less psychopathic, more believable as a leader.
    Flick Montana likes this.
    "MODERATOR NOTE : We don't entertain trolls here, not even in the trash can. Banned." -Markus Hanke
    Reply With Quote  
     

  13. #12  
    Life-Size Nanoputian Flick Montana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Flatland
    Posts
    5,438
    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SowZ37 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw View Post
    What about Batman versus Khan?
    Which Khan?
    Latest Star Trek.
    No, the SECOND Star Trek movie. Ricardo Montalban will ALWAYS be Khan.
    More charismatic, less psychopathic, more believable as a leader.
    You actually FELT for the original Khan. He wasn't just a mass murderer. He was a tragic character with a demented side.
    "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin
    Reply With Quote  
     

  14. #13  
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    1,034
    He got out smarted only once the whole movie Star Trek Into Darkness - Khan's Speech HD - YouTube

    Khan from Star Trek Two was too obsessed with getting Kirk that he screwed up. Whereas in the latest movie, Khan almost single handedly wins against everything by himself.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  15. #14  
    Life-Size Nanoputian Flick Montana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Flatland
    Posts
    5,438
    Doesn't matter.

    This will always be Khan:



    Is this off-topic or what?
    "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin
    Reply With Quote  
     

  16. #15  
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    1,034
    So which one(s) can beat Batman, if any
    Reply With Quote  
     

  17. #16  
    Life-Size Nanoputian Flick Montana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Flatland
    Posts
    5,438
    TOS Khan vs. Adam West Batman? TOS Khan.

    Into Darkness Khan vs. Christian Bale Batman? Christian Bale Batman.

    Sorry, Mr. West...
    "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin
    Reply With Quote  
     

  18. #17  
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    1,034
    Only cause of Batman's gadgets.

    Khan can resist a Vulcan neck pinch.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  19. #18  
    Forum Masters Degree
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    592
    Quote Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw View Post
    Only cause of Batman's gadgets. Khan can resist a Vulcan neck pinch.
    Khan would win a straight up brawl, yes. Super strength, minor healing factor, combat skill, etc. but if it looks like he's losing, Batman won't let it be a straight up brawl. He'll change the rules. Khan is smart, too, though.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  20. #19  
    Life-Size Nanoputian Flick Montana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Flatland
    Posts
    5,438
    Let's be honest, Khan is a bad guy and Batman is a good guy. Batman will always beat Khan.
    "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin
    Reply With Quote  
     

  21. #20  
    Forum Masters Degree
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    592
    But Batman's died many times.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  22. #21  
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    1,034
    What if Khan had all the tools of Batman?

    Khanman!
    Reply With Quote  
     

  23. #22  
    Forum Masters Degree
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    592
    Quote Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw View Post
    What if Khan had all the tools of Batman?

    Khanman!
    I doubt he'd quite have the skill to use many of them properly. Khan is a tactical genius like Batman just like Batman is a combat expert like Khan. Still, I give Khan the slight edge in an actual brawl and Batman the edge in his genius. So in some setting where it is a pure duel with no escape, Khan wins if only just. In any organic setting, Batman eventually comes out on top but it is a great battle of wits up until the end.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  24. #23  
    Ascended Member Ascended's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    3,352
    Indeed Batman does not always win as proved by an interesting case from a few years ago. When there are two Batman going to war only one can win!

    This involved a rather strange case where the major of a turkish city called, yes you've guessed it, 'Batman' decided it would be a good idea to sue Warner Bros. and The Dark Knight director Christopher Nolan for using the Cape Crusader's name without the city's permission. I guess you kind of have to wonder about what goes on in some people's heads.
    Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it. - confucius
    Reply With Quote  
     

  25. #24  
    New Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    4
    Hi everyone! I have found an excellent new YouTube channel, called Fact or Film. It looks at the scientific accuracy of sci-fi films by breaking down complex terms and theories into an engaging and easy to understand format. Just a friendly recommendation.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  26. #25  
    Life-Size Nanoputian Flick Montana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Flatland
    Posts
    5,438
    What a strange thread to resurrect for spam.

    I did enjoy reading my old comments, though...
    "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin
    Reply With Quote  
     

Similar Threads

  1. Who Wins?
    By EndlessEndeavor in forum Biology
    Replies: 35
    Last Post: March 29th, 2013, 05:25 AM
  2. Invisibility, Batman Style
    By earcherghost in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: September 14th, 2012, 06:38 PM
  3. Coleman concedes. Franken wins MN Senate seat.
    By PhoenixG in forum Politics
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: July 8th, 2009, 06:40 AM
  4. Jeremyhfht wins the Prize
    By HomoUniversalis in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: December 6th, 2007, 08:26 AM
  5. Batman
    By Kolt in forum Behavior and Psychology
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: August 12th, 2007, 03:43 AM
Bookmarks
Bookmarks
Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •