Thread: Batman Always Wins... NOT

People like to say that Batman always wins, but it's more a joke, especially when going against guys like superman, godzilla, and you name it.

So this post made me laugh so hard I was crying laughing. Perhaps you will too?

Especially if you're familiar with the whole Batman wins trophe?

Batman can be wearing kryptonite. He can have ingested kryptonite. He can be wearing a kryptonite jacob's ladder for all I care.

Superman is blood lusted. He can speedblitz him at dozens of times the speed of light.

And kryptonite is having diminishing effects on Superman anyways - look how he ripped Luthor's ship (made entirely of kryptonite) to shreds.

I remember one fan comic that showed how the Batman/Superman fight SHOULD go.

Batman was all decked out in kryptonite, ready to tangle with Kal El.

Superman, on the other hand, was busy pushing the planet into the Sun. Superman wins.

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Not sure that it's really a fair fight. I mean, Batman doesn't even have superpowers. He just has some cool gear.

I've never been a big Superman fan because he's so ludicrously powerful. I get that he's the epitome of the average American (disregarding the fact that he's not from Earth, much less America), but every time he was in a situation he seemed to randomly develop a new superpower. It got kind of lame.

Originally Posted by Flick Montana

Not sure that it's really a fair fight. I mean, Batman doesn't even have superpowers. He just has some cool gear.

I've never been a big Superman fan because he's so ludicrously powerful. I get that he's the epitome of the average American (disregarding the fact that he's not from Earth, much less America), but every time he was in a situation he seemed to randomly develop a new superpower. It got kind of lame.

In the earlier comics, he could develop new superpowers when the situation required that (which was lame).
However, his superpowers are more consistent in the more recent issues (1985 and afterwards), despite the many reboots.

I hope the Batman vs. Superman issue will be settled when the sequel of Man of Steel (2013) comes out in 2016.

Originally Posted by lorbo

And kryptonite is having diminishing effects on Superman anyways - look how he ripped Luthor's ship (made entirely of kryptonite) to shreds.

I have never understood the issue with kryptonite. Superman's greatest weakness is a rock.
The Man of Steel must have a uncomfortable feeling when he is around geologists.

Originally Posted by Flick Montana

Not sure that it's really a fair fight. I mean, Batman doesn't even have superpowers. He just has some cool gear.

I've never been a big Superman fan because he's so ludicrously powerful. I get that he's the epitome of the average American (disregarding the fact that he's not from Earth, much less America), but every time he was in a situation he seemed to randomly develop a new superpower. It got kind of lame.

IIRC the main thing Batman has going for him is his Odysseus-like, and therefore the equal of Zeus in counsel, intellect. The dude has a contingency plan for every situation. Although I am pretty sure it is non-canonical, in the Dark Knight Returns, Batman kicks the crap out of Superman... Though some have argued Superman was holding back.

In a canonical comic, however, it is revealed that, indeed, Batman has a contingency plan for every member of the Justice League. These plans were stolen and effectively used against each member of the JL, and was a betrayal of their trust - which is why Batman ultimately revealed his true identity to them.

Batman beats Superman a number of times, but only because Clark is unwilling to go as far as Bruce is. Were Clark to ever go all out, it would be over before it began and Batman knows it. Bruce's contingencies for dealing with the Supes, therefore, are often as much/more based in manipulating Clark at a psychological level or manipulating more powerful heroes to do what he wants. There becomes a point when preparedness and intelligence cannot contend with raw power. Superman is past that line for the vast majority of braniacs.

Originally Posted by stander-j

Originally Posted by Flick Montana

Not sure that it's really a fair fight. I mean, Batman doesn't even have superpowers. He just has some cool gear.

Originally Posted by stander-j

Originally Posted by Flick Montana

I've never been a big Superman fan because he's so ludicrously powerful. I get that he's the epitome of the average American (disregarding the fact that he's not from Earth, much less America), but every time he was in a situation he seemed to randomly develop a new superpower. It got kind of lame.

IIRC the main thing Batman has going for him is his Odysseus-like, and therefore the equal of Zeus in counsel, intellect. The dude has a contingency plan for every situation. Although I am pretty sure it is non-canonical, in the Dark Knight Returns, Batman kicks the crap out of Superman... Though some have argued Superman was holding back.

In a canonical comic, however, it is revealed that, indeed, Batman has a contingency plan for every member of the Justice League. These plans were stolen and effectively used against each member of the JL, and was a betrayal of their trust - which is why Batman ultimately revealed his true identity to them.

For one, Frank Miller interprets Superman at a lower power level than the actual canon would put him, (though it certainly varies there, too.) That's fine, it was a good creative decision on Frank's part. Superman's literal god-like power wouldn't have fit his tone as well. Second, yeah, Superman was both A. Overconfident and B. Not Willing to Kill/Permanantly Injure Bruce. Even in DKR, Batman could not have defeated Superman in a fair fight. In DKSA, Batman manipulated Green Arrow into defeating Superman with a kryptonite arrow. But that is absurd and makes about as much sense as Slade stabbing the Flash in Identity Crisis. None.

What about Batman versus Khan?

Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw

What about Batman versus Khan?

Which Khan?

Noonien Singh? I'd pay to see that.

Originally Posted by SowZ37

Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw

What about Batman versus Khan?

Which Khan?

Latest Star Trek.

Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw

Originally Posted by SowZ37

Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw

What about Batman versus Khan?

Which Khan?

Latest Star Trek.

No, the SECOND Star Trek movie. Ricardo Montalban will ALWAYS be Khan.

EDIT: Also, one of TOS episodes. The second season of Star Trek: TOS is the stuff of TV legend.

Originally Posted by Flick Montana

Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw

Originally Posted by SowZ37

Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw

What about Batman versus Khan?

Which Khan?

Latest Star Trek.

No, the SECOND Star Trek movie. Ricardo Montalban will ALWAYS be Khan.

More charismatic, less psychopathic, more believable as a leader.

Originally Posted by shlunka

Originally Posted by Flick Montana

Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw

Originally Posted by SowZ37

Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw

What about Batman versus Khan?

Which Khan?

Latest Star Trek.

No, the SECOND Star Trek movie. Ricardo Montalban will ALWAYS be Khan.

More charismatic, less psychopathic, more believable as a leader.

You actually FELT for the original Khan. He wasn't just a mass murderer. He was a tragic character with a demented side.

He got out smarted only once the whole movie Star Trek Into Darkness - Khan's Speech HD - YouTube

Khan from Star Trek Two was too obsessed with getting Kirk that he screwed up. Whereas in the latest movie, Khan almost single handedly wins against everything by himself.

Doesn't matter.

This will always be Khan:



Is this off-topic or what?

So which one(s) can beat Batman, if any

TOS Khan vs. Adam West Batman? TOS Khan.

Into Darkness Khan vs. Christian Bale Batman? Christian Bale Batman.

Sorry, Mr. West...

Only cause of Batman's gadgets.

Khan can resist a Vulcan neck pinch.

Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw

Only cause of Batman's gadgets. Khan can resist a Vulcan neck pinch.

Khan would win a straight up brawl, yes. Super strength, minor healing factor, combat skill, etc. but if it looks like he's losing, Batman won't let it be a straight up brawl. He'll change the rules. Khan is smart, too, though.

Let's be honest, Khan is a bad guy and Batman is a good guy. Batman will always beat Khan.

But Batman's died many times.

What if Khan had all the tools of Batman?

Khanman!

Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw

What if Khan had all the tools of Batman?

Khanman!

I doubt he'd quite have the skill to use many of them properly. Khan is a tactical genius like Batman just like Batman is a combat expert like Khan. Still, I give Khan the slight edge in an actual brawl and Batman the edge in his genius. So in some setting where it is a pure duel with no escape, Khan wins if only just. In any organic setting, Batman eventually comes out on top but it is a great battle of wits up until the end.

Indeed Batman does not always win as proved by an interesting case from a few years ago. When there are two Batman going to war only one can win!

This involved a rather strange case where the major of a turkish city called, yes you've guessed it, 'Batman' decided it would be a good idea to sue Warner Bros. and The Dark Knight director Christopher Nolan for using the Cape Crusader's name without the city's permission. I guess you kind of have to wonder about what goes on in some people's heads.

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What a strange thread to resurrect for spam.

I did enjoy reading my old comments, though...