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    So I was thinking, control over what will really make you a spacefaring race? Pick something for a race to control primarily, and describe how they would use it.

    Hydrogen, and when I say control, I mean REALLY good control.

    Made up alien race:

    Has hydrogen grabber tubes that can grab hydrogen atoms at light speed. They can also move the atoms in any way they want.

    Which allows them to:

    Retrieve hydrogen from gas giants in their solar system, or even their star itself. They spread the hydrogen around the system and beyond (they can shoot hydrogen at near light speed too). This allows them to use bussard jets for propulsion, which otherwise wouldn't be possible.

    They can also telekinetically move stuff via their machines, stuff that has a lot of hydrogen in it. Like water. And they can change hydrogen's form to gas, liquid, solid, or even plasma, and by extension, whatever has a lot of hydrogen. It takes longer to do with massive things, but it's still possible. Which means they don't have to carry fuel, since the hydrogen is their fuel, from star to star. Simply by accelerating at 1G for a year, they can get close to light speed. Making interstellar travel take years, but no longer an impossibility.

    This allows them to make spaceships made of ice and water, keeping the crew safe from any radiation. And yes, they can lift it off a planet. Even one across the solar system. It just takes time in that case, due to light lag, but light speed is still pretty fast.


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    How do the creatures' atoms, or the hydrogen atoms, reach light speed?


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    Quote Originally Posted by pyoko View Post
    How do the creatures' atoms, or the hydrogen atoms, reach light speed?
    Machines do the work, and they don't get hydrogen to light speed, just close, using machines. How? Don't ask LOL. That is the fiction part. We already do it with particle accelerators though.

    And I was wrong about the ice spaceships, ice will evaporate quickly in space, so that is a no-go.

    At best, they could make giant metal orb filled with water (enough water easily shields them from dangerous radiation) and lift them into space without rockets, due to their machines tractor beam like ability over water (which has a lot of hydrogen in it).

    For that matter, they could tractor a person into space if they wanted to be nasty.
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    ice will evaporate quickly in space, so that is a no-go.
    Don't be to quick to call yourself mistaken. There is plenty of ice in space. That includes a lot of comets and icy asteroids. Comets have a loose, powdery and rocky coating several metres deep, but the rest of it is essentially dirty ice.
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    [QUOTE=pyoko;517139]
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    ice will evaporate quickly in space, so that is a no-go.
    Don't be to quick to call yourself mistaken. There is plenty of ice in space. That includes a lot of comets and icy asteroids. Comets have a loose, powdery and rocky coating several metres deep, but the rest of it is essentially dirty ice.
    Well not totally but I googled it. Ice will evaporate eventually due to the heat of the sun. Where we are, it will happen quicker, since you don't lose any heat you get in a vacuum, you just absorb it (unless you got radiators). That's why comets have tails when we see them, the heat is making them evaporate, because they are near Earth, which is a relatively warm part of the solar system.

    Way out by pluto, the ice would last a lot longer of a time.

    But the most feasible thing to do, to not waste water, would be to hold it inside the ship itself.
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    It would have to be a pretty big ship to store enough hydrogen to last a (very long trip at 1G) between even the closest of stars. I believe at 1g it will take about 4 years to get to Proxima Centauri. But not impossible.
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    So from what I understand they send out machine "fuel-gathering" drones ahead of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyoko View Post
    It would have to be a pretty big ship to store enough hydrogen to last a (very long trip at 1G) between even the closest of stars. I believe at 1g it will take about 4 years to get to Proxima Centauri. But not impossible.
    You forgot the Bussard ramjets, which use the the hydrogen highways which have been laid prior.

    My hydrogen grabbers/shooters can shoot/pull hydrogen atoms at light speed. Which means I can lay down a whole highway of hydrogen atoms in space and keep it their just by regularly pulling on it every now and then with my hydrogen grabber/shooter.

    Not to mention the fact that I could just propel the the ship directly by pushing it with the force of the grabber/shooter, given how much water it has. Yes, I could propel a spaceship with a lot of water near to light speed at 1G, the problem would be when the sun or some other pesky object flies in my path, blocking my pushing/grabbing beam (invisible by the way).

    So hydrogen highways are the best way to go here.

    Assuming I have some kind of stasis pods on the ship, the trip won't be too bad. I would have to add some heavy science fiction here, use chronoton particles (fictional particles of time) and freeze them so they don't age LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyoko View Post
    So from what I understand they send out machine "fuel-gathering" drones ahead of them.
    No, the machine shoots out an invisible beam that travels at light speed. It then can grab hydrogen like a tractor beam, or propel it, up near to light speed. But the beam itself can travel at light speed to reach it's targets.
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    So what you are talking about is generating hydrogen relativistic jets akin to black hole polar jets that are aimed towards the path of your space ship. Pretty difficult to achieve artificially with technology. Then again this is sci-fi.
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    Or I could go the more easy route.

    Aliens have a special metal that looks like copper.

    Properties: It will accelerate at 1G when an electric current is passed through it. One end of it's magnetic pole will decide which direction it flies.

    Spaceships are made of the stuff. But obviously they need a lot of metal to generate enough lift, since a chain of the 1G metal won't lift a heavy spacecraft by itself.

    So the more cargo ships carry, the more of the 1G metal is used.

    Now big hulking spaceships are a necessity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorbo View Post
    Or I could go the more easy route.

    Aliens have a special metal that looks like copper.

    Properties: It will accelerate at 1G when an electric current is passed through it. One end of it's magnetic pole will decide which direction it flies.

    Spaceships are made of the stuff. But obviously they need a lot of metal to generate enough lift, since a chain of the 1G metal won't lift a heavy spacecraft by itself.

    So the more cargo ships carry, the more of the 1G metal is used.

    Now big hulking spaceships are a necessity.
    That's too much of a stretch to me. Even if this unknown element was out of the theorised Island of Stability in the periodic table there are no imaginable methods why it would have such traits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyoko View Post
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    Or I could go the more easy route.

    Aliens have a special metal that looks like copper.

    Properties: It will accelerate at 1G when an electric current is passed through it. One end of it's magnetic pole will decide which direction it flies.

    Spaceships are made of the stuff. But obviously they need a lot of metal to generate enough lift, since a chain of the 1G metal won't lift a heavy spacecraft by itself.

    So the more cargo ships carry, the more of the 1G metal is used.

    Now big hulking spaceships are a necessity.
    That's too much of a stretch to me. Even if this unknown element was out of the theorised Island of Stability in the periodic table there are no imaginable methods why it would have such traits.
    Not to mention the fact that I figure out that it takes about 3 G just to escape Earth's gravity. 1 G will make you hover over the ground, that's it LOL.

    Rockets is where it's at LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorbo View Post
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    Or I could go the more easy route.

    Aliens have a special metal that looks like copper.

    Properties: It will accelerate at 1G when an electric current is passed through it. One end of it's magnetic pole will decide which direction it flies.

    Spaceships are made of the stuff. But obviously they need a lot of metal to generate enough lift, since a chain of the 1G metal won't lift a heavy spacecraft by itself.

    So the more cargo ships carry, the more of the 1G metal is used.

    Now big hulking spaceships are a necessity.
    That's too much of a stretch to me. Even if this unknown element was out of the theorised Island of Stability in the periodic table there are no imaginable methods why it would have such traits.
    Not to mention the fact that I figure out that it takes about 3 G just to escape Earth's gravity. 1 G will make you hover over the ground, that's it LOL.

    Rockets is where it's at LOL.
    I thought we were assuming that the 1g would be a condition in interstellar space. After we "somehow" get the spacecraft there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyoko View Post
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    Or I could go the more easy route.

    Aliens have a special metal that looks like copper.

    Properties: It will accelerate at 1G when an electric current is passed through it. One end of it's magnetic pole will decide which direction it flies.

    Spaceships are made of the stuff. But obviously they need a lot of metal to generate enough lift, since a chain of the 1G metal won't lift a heavy spacecraft by itself.

    So the more cargo ships carry, the more of the 1G metal is used.

    Now big hulking spaceships are a necessity.
    That's too much of a stretch to me. Even if this unknown element was out of the theorised Island of Stability in the periodic table there are no imaginable methods why it would have such traits.
    Not to mention the fact that I figure out that it takes about 3 G just to escape Earth's gravity. 1 G will make you hover over the ground, that's it LOL.

    Rockets is where it's at LOL.
    I thought we were assuming that the 1g would be a condition in interstellar space. After we "somehow" get the spacecraft there.
    That is the heart of the issue. I wanted a single source that spaceships can use to leave a gravity well (planet) and fly and space too.

    For now, seems like the hydrogen tractor beam/pusher is the best way to go.

    Suspension of disbelief is easier in that it takes something for it to work, water, or hydrogen, but water is ridiculously plentiful.

    The fact that machines can turn the water into solid, gas, or plasma form by virtue of the hydrogen is also a big advantage. Or anything else with lots of hydrogen mind you, even it distant ranges.

    But space does limit what they can do. They can't make water liquid in space due to the lack of gravity to hold it together with no oxygen present. At best you could make a dirty snowball with water at distant ranges. Or just turn into a gas and then a plasma.

    Technically you could move gas giants around and turn them into mini-stars. After you 'mined' them for hydrogen of course.
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    I also figured out that precise hydrogen control along with changing it's form gives you classic phasers.

    Or rather, plasma beams. Just convert some water into steam, and then shoot it at near light speed and then turn it into plasma.

    It would all happen so fast that it woudl seem like an instant phaser beam.

    However handheld weapons would be a no-go, due to the amount of water being burned off. Cannons near an ocean body, or on water ships, or spaceships with big water reserves would be fine, Till they run out.
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