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Thread: Which Force Would You Rather Harness?

  1. #1 Which Force Would You Rather Harness? 
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    Say you could make machines that could harness of the forces below. Which type would you choose and how would you use? Also how would it effect modern society?


    Gravitational Pull: Your machine will weaken the gravitional pull, making it zero G inside if you wish. The first thing that comes to mind for me is the entertainment industry. They would be all over that. It would also allow a lot more zero G space age techonologies. Even manufacturing would be cheaper. Zero G factories with gravity only where you need it, ROCK ON!

    Unlimited Electricity: Somehow a machine makes unlimited electricity, meaning your batteries won't run low on power, although they WILL wear out over time (physical degradation of materials). I would suspect this would change EVERYTHING. The oil companies would be furious. They would likely take over the machine and call it good, or perhaps knock off the inventor before he made it public. Assuming the inventor did get the machine to market, it changes everything.

    So which of these would you rather have and how would you use it? The only one that seems good for space travel is unlimited electricity. I don't know if that could make ion drives ANY faster, but if it could, it would make them a lot more useful for speed. Would it?


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    I would harness whatever force would allow me to understand why you keep peppering the forum with "What if?" threads that have no basis in reality.

    This certainly doesn't belong in the Physics subforum. Maybe you should stick to Pseudo or Science Fiction.


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    It's still physics based. It's arguing what could you do with UNLIMITED electricity?

    Electricity has it's limits. There are certain things you CAN'T do with it. And I'd bet the scientists would know, although there is plenty you could do as well.
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    I disagree, it's very short on physics and very long on fantasy like every single thread you've started. It's sci-fi and best, pseudo or trash being realistic, certainly not physics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorbo View Post
    It's still physics based.
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    Somehow a machine makes unlimited electricity
    No. It isn't physics-based. It's based upon nothing but your imagination.

    In fact, it's appearing to suggest some kind of perpetual energy device which is the first stop on the road into Crankville.
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    All I wanted to know is what could you do with unlimited electricity and what could you NOT do.

    All the guys/girls that say, "Yuck! You can't do that!" is saying the obvious.

    I don't look for that. I look for those that give an answer. Never asked for your opinions because I would have asked if I did. It's not as if your mods, or maybe you get some thrill about sitting on your lofty throne by judging others ideas.

    Either way if all you you have to contribute is saying you hate my threads, I DON'T CARE. If and when you insult me (like some have), I simply won't listen to you.

    Life is too short to bother myself with strangers on computers who have elevated opinions of themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorbo View Post

    All the guys/girls that say, "Yuck! You can't do that!" is saying the obvious.

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    So you agree it is not based in reality ergo science fiction and not physics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorbo View Post
    All I wanted to know is what could you do with unlimited electricity...
    Gleefully feed it directly into someone's brain with thick cables and flashing lights with the ridiculous idea that it would generate a light in a bulb above their head?

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    ... and what could you NOT do.
    To ever get it to light up unfortunately.
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    I would humbly like to harness The Force, master Yoda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickettsie View Post
    I would humbly like to harness The Force, master Yoda.
    Yeah, come to think of if, that is what the force is used for in the movies. Anti-gravity/gravity is used when lifting stuff that shouldn't lift or be pulled. And the emperor makes the electricity generation pretty obvious.

    Although electricity automatically arcs to metal, unless your talking the kind coming from the clouds that hit just about anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorbo View Post

    Yeah, come to think of if, that is what the force is used for in the movies. Anti-gravity/gravity is used when lifting stuff that shouldn't lift or be pulled. And the emperor makes the electricity generation pretty obvious.

    Although electricity automatically arcs to metal, unless your talking the kind coming from the clouds that hit just about anything.
    just hypotetically:
    in fact, I would rather harness and control the strong interaction/force... for following reasons:
    1. it's stronger than gravity, so I could use it as "antigravity" force... not sure about the concrete method however
    2. I could use the anti-gravity or directly the strong force, mentioned previously, as a source of unlimited electrical energy (induction/friction/magnetic generator), or simply something as simple as nuclear fusion
    3. Consequently, I would have harnessed both of your selected forces


    Well.. there are still some flaws, but I think that in a few days time I'll be finished with it

    NOTE: All of the above is applicable only in the isolated system of my mind in a scale of 1:10-20.. probably not to be taken very seriously
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorbo View Post
    It's still physics based. It's arguing what could you do with UNLIMITED electricity?
    Fly in atmosphere as fast as you like. It would make jetpacks and SST's possible, for example.

    Improve spacecraft drives. VASIMR engines, thermal engines, high impulse ion engines, railgun rockets etc all require power, and removing the need to take a reactor/generator or solar panels is a big help. Still need reaction mass tho.

    Electrify all cars/trains/boats/airplanes of course.

    Build SCBA systems that split water to generate oxygen. Useful for divers, firefighters, hospitals etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lorbo View Post
    It's still physics based. It's arguing what could you do with UNLIMITED electricity?
    Fly in atmosphere as fast as you like. It would make jetpacks and SST's possible, for example.

    Improve spacecraft drives. VASIMR engines, thermal engines, high impulse ion engines, railgun rockets etc all require power, and removing the need to take a reactor/generator or solar panels is a big help. Still need reaction mass tho.

    Electrify all cars/trains/boats/airplanes of course.

    Build SCBA systems that split water to generate oxygen. Useful for divers, firefighters, hospitals etc.

    I wonder, would the Ion engines have thrust plume coming out the backend like a normal rocket or not? Instintively I say no, since the ones we have now don't. But the one's we have now aren't pumping ridiculous amounts of electricity through them either.

    What would it look like? I'm betting on the rocket plumes but I could be wrong. If nothing else, it's gonna be one bright light glowing out the back end. I only thought it might produce a plume since Ion drives do require a fuel that they burn to extract the Ions used for propulsion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorbo View Post
    I wonder, would the Ion engines have thrust plume coming out the backend like a normal rocket or not?
    Of course. They are reaction engines.

    (Unless you mean _visible_ plumes. In that case, generally not - but many conventional rockets don't have visible plumes either.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lorbo View Post
    I wonder, would the Ion engines have thrust plume coming out the backend like a normal rocket or not?
    Of course. They are reaction engines.

    (Unless you mean _visible_ plumes. In that case, generally not - but many conventional rockets don't have visible plumes either.)
    Got it. I didn't know there were rockets without visible plumes. That's what I get for thinking NASA rockets were the end all be all. What rockets don't have visible plumes besides Ion drives? They can't be very powerful, otherwise NASA would be using them to launch with.

    But, final analysis, if the massive amount of electricity DOES NOT make a plume come out the back end of an Ion drive, then I would at least expect a bright glow. Blue perhaps.

    That would be the most science fictionny looking drive man has ever made.
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    And what is an SCBA system?

    I presume we already have them, but they would be FAR more effictient with unlimited electricity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorbo View Post
    What rockets don't have visible plumes besides Ion drives?
    Most are in space, actually. SSME's, for example. You can see some of the steam condense in the atmosphere. But outside the atmosphere the steam remains transparent. N204/UDMH (i.e. Shuttle on-orbit engines) are transparent, as are most cold gas thrusters.

    The reasons most people think of rocket exhausts as "firey" are:

    1) Most rockets run slightly rich, and the excess fuel burns off in the atmosphere. (Naturally in space this doesn't happen.)
    2) Most people have seen a Saturn V launch, and the excess carbon from the kerosene (first stage engines) glows pretty brightly.
    3) Science fiction engines that don't glow/have plumes are visually boring.

    That being said, an ion engine running in an atmosphere (even a rarefied one) will show a glow as ion impacts excite glows in the gases in the air. You can see this during ion engine tests since it's impossible to get a very good vacuum here on Earth for these tests. Shown below is a test firing of the NSTAR engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lorbo View Post
    And what is an SCBA system?

    I presume we already have them, but they would be FAR more effictient with unlimited electricity.
    Self contained breathing apparatus. The underwater version is known as SCUBA. Right now no one does this because the last thing a diver needs is the additional complexity of a power generating system - and providing enough O2 for breathing gas mix would take a lot of power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lorbo View Post
    And what is an SCBA system?

    I presume we already have them, but they would be FAR more effictient with unlimited electricity.
    Self contained breathing apparatus. The underwater version is known as SCUBA. Right now no one does this because the last thing a diver needs is the additional complexity of a power generating system - and providing enough O2 for breathing gas mix would take a lot of power.
    You just did the seemingly impossible. Allowing for Star Trek level technology without god-modding it (overpowering it).
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    Long story short, a fast Ion drive wouldn't even be visible in space? Yeah. That is boring.

    But it would make the ininformed assume an alien ship moving around with no rocket plumes would have a reactionless drive. Even thought that would not be true at all if they were using Ion drives which apparently don't have any visible effects in space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lorbo View Post
    And what is an SCBA system?

    I presume we already have them, but they would be FAR more effictient with unlimited electricity.
    Self contained breathing apparatus. The underwater version is known as SCUBA. Right now no one does this because the last thing a diver needs is the additional complexity of a power generating system - and providing enough O2 for breathing gas mix would take a lot of power.
    With tech like this, we could live under water practically indenitely. Well not really, eventually the skin would take a toll likely. But I think drowing would be a thing of the past. Just put on an oxy converter mask and you're good to go. How clever!

    No more oxygen tanks. If anybody drowns, it's more than likely human error or a successful suicide attempt.
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    You might get electrocuted though if you somehow open the mask's electrical components in water. That would be the sole hazard, but again it would be due to human error or human malice.

    Technology don't kill people, people do.
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    Moved. Lorbo, please keep fanciful speculation out of the physics section.
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    I'd say Charisma was the greatest force in the world.
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