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    It takes quite a bit of intelligence to build a spacecraft, let alone a starship for your species. But to take that starship and go around attacking other species you don't even know requires a certain type of person, or persons.

    In fiction, often the aliens are evil, but I doubt anyone has really spent the time to consider the implications of that. So I will here.

    1. The aliens are just amoral. They only care about other species (besides each other) when they meet certain criteria, otherwise they wipe them out. In this way they would behave very much like a horde of ants.

    2. The aliens are immoral. So instead of merely conquering worlds for no reason all, there would ALWAYS be a reason. Namely for personal gain or hedonism.

    An immoral alien commander would not say, "Surrender to my forces and you won't be harmed." He would say something along these lines, "Everything of value that you have, is mine. Give me all your gold and valuable things. Give me your best women, your best men, and any genuises you haesve. I will accept nothing less. Otherwise I swear, there won't be enough of your world left to even resemble a planet.

    These are the two kinds of aliens I could think that are reasons why a species might be in the habit of making war against others they don't know. More often than not in science fiction, option one seems popular. Option two seems rarer, but in my opinion is better.


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    It takes quite a bit of intelligence to build a seacraft. But to take that ship and go around attacking other nationalities you don't even know requires a certain type of person, or persons.

    All they have to do is believe they have "right" on their side.


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    Makes no sense. Why would aliens attack some other intelligence...why?

    There would be a billion uninhabited planets closer to themselves more suitable. Perhaps 20 billion. Any civilization that has the technology to travel to other star systems would probably be content to travel to the nearest billion stars to find whatever they need. No need to spend millions of years to get to Earth or wherever when resources are just few local stars over.

    Also, any intelligence with inter stellar flight technology could manipulate local atoms to produce whatever they wanted. Their physics would be so advanced that the terraforming local planets or moons would be relatively simple for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fossilborealis View Post
    Also, any intelligence with inter stellar flight technology could manipulate local atoms to produce whatever they wanted. Their physics would be so advanced that the terraforming local planets or moons would be relatively simple for them.
    We used to think tings like that about species with the ability to travel to other worlds or transmute lead to gold. And yet here we are, more than 40 years after our own moon landings, and we don't even have a decent flying car. (And we still get most of our electrical energy by burning dirty stuff we dig out of the ground.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fossilborealis View Post
    Also, any intelligence with inter stellar flight technology could manipulate local atoms to produce whatever they wanted. Their physics would be so advanced that the terraforming local planets or moons would be relatively simple for them.
    We used to think tings like that about species with the ability to travel to other worlds or transmute lead to gold. And yet here we are, more than 40 years after our own moon landings, and we don't even have a decent flying car. (And we still get most of our electrical energy by burning dirty stuff we dig out of the ground.)
    Well then, if no ability to travel across the galaxy then no aliens are killing any other aliens so its all a moot point. Interstellar travel needs to be based in physics and not Star Trek fancy talk. If any type of reasonable travel was invented then the technology is so advanced that any nearby resources could be used. No need to conquer anyone quintillions of kms away unless it was for fun.

    As for flying cars, etc. that's all short term stuff. Give technology another thousand years....million years...nobody would know or care what a flying car was. A flying car would seem like what a stone chopper is to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorbo View Post
    It takes quite a bit of intelligence to build a spacecraft, let alone a starship for your species. But to take that starship and go around attacking other species you don't even know requires a certain type of person, or persons
    All to easy. In the last few centuries we have had lots of supposedly 'advanced nations' seeking to expand their culture towards easy targets. An advanced alien race seeking to contact earth ?.......... Call me a pessimist but I would think there is a greater chance that they would be hostile 'colonists' as opposed to warm and fuzzy social beings wishing to simply interact and share ideas etc..

    I compare for example the expenditure directed towards programs such as SETI versus say expenditure directed towards advanced military technologies as providing some indication of where priorities sit in relation to these matters for the so called advanced civilisation we are.

    It all gets more complicated when you invest a bit of time getting to know another culture (or possible alien race) as you start to mess with your head and get all 'koombaya' about it. So don't invest the time. Bah Humbug.....Kill em' all and take what you can /TIC. That's what an Alien Race would do in my opinion. Advanced technologies do not necessarily equate to higher ideals. :-))

    Just for clarification. 'Prometheus' kicked ass when compared to 'Contact'........*weapons on alert and shields up gentle folk*
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorbo View Post
    1. The aliens are just amoral. They only care about other species (besides each other) when they meet certain criteria, otherwise they wipe them out. In this way they would behave very much like a horde of ants.

    2. The aliens are immoral. So instead of merely conquering worlds for no reason all, there would ALWAYS be a reason. Namely for personal gain or hedonism.
    What makes you think human concepts of morality (or even the idea of morality itself) applies to aliens?

    How about simple propagation as a driver for eliminating other species?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorbo View Post
    It takes quite a bit of intelligence to build a spacecraft, let alone a starship for your species. But to take that starship and go around attacking other species you don't even know requires a certain type of person, or persons.

    In fiction, often the aliens are evil, but I doubt anyone has really spent the time to consider the implications of that. So I will here.

    1. The aliens are just amoral. They only care about other species (besides each other) when they meet certain criteria, otherwise they wipe them out. In this way they would behave very much like a horde of ants.

    2. The aliens are immoral. So instead of merely conquering worlds for no reason all, there would ALWAYS be a reason. Namely for personal gain or hedonism.

    An immoral alien commander would not say, "Surrender to my forces and you won't be harmed." He would say something along these lines, "Everything of value that you have, is mine. Give me all your gold and valuable things. Give me your best women, your best men, and any genuises you haesve. I will accept nothing less. Otherwise I swear, there won't be enough of your world left to even resemble a planet.

    These are the two kinds of aliens I could think that are reasons why a species might be in the habit of making war against others they don't know. More often than not in science fiction, option one seems popular. Option two seems rarer, but in my opinion is better.
    As Daecon has pointed out, it depends on how the aliens perceive their invasion. If they believe the invasion is righteous, then from their perspective it might actually be a "moral" act. Morality is subjective.

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    To further complicate the matter, if I recall correctly, in the children's novel Ender's Game the aliens actually had mixed feelings regarding an invasion of the Earth, and did not have a single unified opinion about the expansion of the Bugger empire. Some Queens believed that it was in the Buggers' best interest, while other Queens believed it was morally wrong - which actually resulted in a Bugger civil war. I am not a very big fan of Science Fiction, so I cannot comment on what the most popular ways that aliens are portrayed, but I would consider such a black and white portrayal a testament to the narrative/plot's complexity/quality.
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