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    Do you guys believe in ghosts or unnatural things like elves, vampires etc.?
    I don't really believe on those things but whenever someone tells me a story of scary things or I watched something scary,
    It make me ask myself, is there any scientific reasons for these things, so that I will believe in it?
    Especially, my grandmother she always talked about fairies, dwelf to my smaller cousins


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    Do you guys believe in ghosts or unnatural things like elves, vampires etc.?
    The answer is in the question. If it requires belief to accept it, then there's no evidence for it.

    No evidence, no acceptance.

    Nuh. Out of the question.


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    Ghosts require a mechanism for a human mind and personality to exist without a brain. Since our personality and mind is utterly dependent on the brain, I have no reason to believe that ghosts can exist- especially considering the evolutionary trait of pareidolia: pattern recognition.
    The brain will try to relate something that is unknown to something that is known. Or- it is better to see a predator that is not there than to not see a predator that is.

    Fairies, gnomes and the like- no. But that doesn't mean a person cannot suspend disbelief to enjoy a good movie.
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    I don't really believe on those things
    If you don't then why would anyone else? If you cannot believe in supernatural stuff then why do others? They could be just having mental problems and need professional help but if they aren't bothering anyone why not let them have their delusions?
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    I always say I don't believe in ghosts or boogeymen, but on my way back down the hallway from the restroom in the middle of the night, I have more than once found myself jogging back to bed instead of walking...
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    My house used to be haunted. So I purchased the entire first season of Here Comes Honey Booboo, and set it to loop continuously on my television. The ghost, apparently distraught, seems to have either left, or otherwise killed itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    My house used to be haunted. So I purchased the entire first season of Here Comes Honey Booboo, and set it to loop continuously on my television. The ghost, apparently distraught, seems to have either left, or otherwise killed itself.
    Can a ghost kill itself??


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    Can a ghost kill itself??
    No, it is already dead but you say you do not believe in them so why are you asking?
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    There is no scientific reason to believe in ghosts, in spite of what sensationalist ghost hunter T.V. shows attempt to convey.

    Let's examine what they claim and why it's invalid:

    One claim is "spiritual energy."
    This undefined spiritual energy is often used to explain how ghosts function, what enables them to interact on our level and manipulate objects. The biggest clue here is that it's undefined. Here, they rely gullibility of the common viewer to think that undefined forms of energy exist. But what does a scientific examination say about this?
    "Energy," as a concept, is an enigma to many people. Like the word "Dimension" they often attribute properties or qualities to it that are inaccurate.
    In the case of dimensions, they believe that another dimension is another place or another Universe. This is very inaccurate. A dimension is simply another direction of movement.
    In the case of energy, energy is thought of as some standalone ethereal substance that makes things go. It's often thought that energy can just float around, on its own. The misconceptions about what energy is makes the misconceptions about dimensions lightweight.
    Energy is most often a function of performing mechanical work. But energy comes in many forms and this adds to the believability that the mystical "spiritual energy" could exist.
    However, one thing that remains constant in all forms of energy observed is that it requires a source for observation. Energy cannot be created or destroyed- so any source must transform energy from one form to another. This requires that there be a source for any energy observed. With ghosts, a source is never provided nor any explanation offered.
    Nor is this energy measurable in any scientific way. A lot of ghost hunters claim to use specialized equipment to measure known energy, such as temperature, etc. while always alluding to the magical spiritual energy. This neat little trick is how they avoid having to confront the energy problems.

    Another claim is that ghosts are the remnants of living people. One might ask why we are not inundated with animal ghosts. After-all, there are many animals, including dinosaurs, to provide a wide assortment of varied ghostly forms. There are even a few claims out there of ghostly dogs and the like... but most often, the major influence of Abrahamic faiths has conditioned people to dismiss animals as lacking in souls and therefor, incapable of having a ghost beyond life.
    This explanation does require that one believes we have a soul and that only humans have souls. Otherwise, people should be massively haunted by extensive wildlife. Considering that 99% of all species that ever existed are now extinct, we should be seeing the most amazing creatures, some of which we may have not even encountered the fossilized remains of.
    In addition to the fallacy of souled creatures vs. non-souled creatures, we run into major problems with the soul itself. The soul (which, to remind you, has no offered source of energy) is supposedly the persona and essence of a person. So what is with the brain? Why do we have it? And more importantly, why does any alteration to the brain have an immediate effect, even if subtle, on the persona of the person with that brain? The logical explanation is that the brain is the source for the persona of a person and the energy source for the person is potential energy in the food that they eat. All of this is measurable, observable and quantifiable- unlike the mystical soul, spiritual energy or odd and unusual presence of souls in a self favored animal, but lacking in everything else.

    There is much more to this but this post is long enough. The "more" includes claims of communication with the dead (Cold reading or guessing) and the like, religion and various other beliefs that reenforce the gullibility of ghost belief.
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    If ghosts are the dead who don't realize they're dead then what are the clothes they wear? Why would a ghost be dressed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    If ghosts are the dead who don't realize they're dead then what are the clothes they wear? Why would a ghost be dressed?
    You ever seen a naked human lying in a casket at a funeral?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Why would a ghost be dressed?
    Some of them aren't.
    They have to make do with big white sheets over their heads.
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