# Thread: The law of conservation and transformation energy/mass

1. The law of conservation and transformation energy/mass
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Somebody says: The law of energy conservation
There isnt such law in physics. There is
' The law of conservation and transformation energy/mass.'
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 The Law of preservation and transformation of energy/ mass
is a law about a symmetry and asymmetry in the Nature.

If somebody think that ,  The Law of preservation
and transformation of energy/ mass  is a simple
bookkeeping calculation of debit-credit he is mistaken.
It is a primitive judgment about one of the most
important Law in Nature.
Why?
Because on the one hand the bookkeeping calculation
of debit-credit is  a symmetry law. ( like 1$is 100 cents ) But on the other hand the life in the Universe begins with disturb of symmetry. The occurrence of Life in the Universe is connected not with symmetry, but with breaking of symmetry. For something to happen there has to be a "broken symmetry". ( It means 1$ is not equal to 100 cents.)
Here the effect of transformation appears.
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If somebody takes only one part of the whole law (preservation)
and ignore the second part of it (transformation) then he is falsifier.
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3. Originally Posted by socratus The law of conservation and transformation energy/mass
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Somebody says: The law of energy conservation
There isn’t such law in physics. There is
' The law of conservation and transformation energy/mass.'
=.
‘ The Law of preservation and transformation of energy/ mass’
is a law about a symmetry and asymmetry in the Nature.

If somebody think that , “ The Law of preservation
and transformation of energy/ mass “ is a simple
bookkeeping calculation of debit-credit he is mistaken.
It is a primitive judgment about one of the most
important Law in Nature.
Why?
Because on the one hand the bookkeeping calculation
of debit-credit is “ a symmetry law”. ( like 1$is 100 cents ) But on the other hand the life in the Universe begins with disturb of symmetry. The occurrence of Life in the Universe is connected not with symmetry, but with breaking of symmetry. For something to happen there has to be a "broken symmetry". ( It means 1$ is not equal to 100 cents.)
Here the effect of ‘transformation’ appears.
===============.
If somebody takes only one part of the whole law (preservation)
and ignore the second part of it (transformation) then he is falsifier.
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You seem to have strong opinions about matters you do not understand well. There are specific symmetries that exist in today's universe despite the "symmetry breaking" you allude to at the universe's birth.

Formally, if the Lagrangian is independent of time, then the Hamiltonian is conserved. This important result was first shown by Noether around the time that GR was taking its final form. The corresponding theorem is frequently called Noether's First Theorem (although not all textbooks use this numbering). More colloquially (and somewhat loosely) put, if time-reversal symmetry holds, then energy conservation is automatically and necessarily implied. Time-reversal symmetry is tested constantly in particle physics (see Feynman diagrams, which are time-symmetric). No deviations are found, so energy conservation holds.  4. Question:
How does electron obey ‘ The law of conservation
and transformation energy/mass’ if according to Planck /
Einstein its energy is E=h*f and according to Dirac its
energy is +/- E=Mc^2 ?
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CPT violation,
Quantum tunneling ,
Vacuum fluctuation,
‘ . . a simple question as where did the electron get the energy
from when it moved to the outer orbit in an atom. ‘
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Is this a symmetry or an asymmetry process ?
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P.S.
If A-bomb can destroy cities like Hiroshima and Nagasaki
it is because E=Mc^2 and not because E=h*f.
Is interaction between E=Mc^2 and E=h*f
a symmetry or an asymmetry process ?
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How does electron obey ‘ The law of conservation
and transformation energy/mass’ if according to Planck /
Einstein its energy is E=h*f and according to Dirac its
energy is +/- E=Mc^2 ?
E = hf is the energy of a photon of frequency f. Photons have no rest mass. The Dirac expression you supplied is a simplified one, corresponding to a mass at rest.

Your question therefore makes no sense on several counts. Energy conservation holds in any interaction or transformation, neither of which your question describes.

Next, you cite two equations for energy that apply to different particles under mutually exclusive conditions.

So, what is your question or point? Your post possesses the logical flavor of the following: "The weight of apples is in pounds; the weight of trucks is in kilograms; how does an apple obey the law of conservation of energy?"

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CPT violation,
Quantum tunneling ,
Vacuum fluctuation,
It's not clear why you're now listing random physics terms.

. a simple question as where did the electron get the energy
from when it moved to the outer orbit in an atom. ‘
It gets its energy from whatever agent caused it to move. For example, a photon of the right color could do the job.

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Is this a symmetry or an asymmetry process ?
I don't know what "this" is in your question (or maybe it's
"process" that is unclear). In any case, the relevant symmetry property (not "process") for energy conservation is the one I already gave you in my first post in this thread. Did you bother to read it?

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P.S.
If A-bomb can destroy cities like Hiroshima and Nagasaki
it is because E=Mc^2 and not because E=h*f.
False dichotomy. The mass-energy of a bomb can transform into energetic, deadly photons, as well as produce direct kinetic effects.

Is interaction between E=Mc^2 and E=h*f
a symmetry or an asymmetry process ?
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Again, you haven't described what interaction you mean. There is nothing in your post that specifies an interaction, so what you mean by "process" is ambiguous.

I strongly recommend familiarizing yourself with the meaning of the terms you use. I do not think they mean what you think they mean, for you use them in nonsensical ways.  6. E=hf has nothing whatsoever to do with electrons.  7. Originally Posted by socratus If A-bomb can destroy cities like Hiroshima and Nagasaki it is because E=Mc^2 and not because E=h*f.
Neither. It is the release of nuclear binding energy.

p.s. And please stop posting in this illegible format. (I would ask you to stop posting nonsense, but that is even less likely to be successful.)  8. About behavior of schrodinger's cat
Can we see situation in this way ?
If schrodinger's cat is alive it has energy E=h*f.
If schrodinger's cat is dead it has energy E=Mc^2
What energy can the cat have during quantum diagnosis ?
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In other words.
There is a potential and an active energy.
Question :
How can potential and active energy be connected together ?
Can  The law of conservation and transformation
energy/mass give answer to this question ?
==.  9. Originally Posted by socratus Can we see situation in this way ?
If schrodinger's cat is alive it has energy E=h*f.
If schrodinger's cat is dead it has energy E=Mc^2
What energy can the cat have during quantum diagnosis ?
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In other words.
There is a potential and an active energy.
Question :
How can potential and active energy be connected together ?
Can “ The law of conservation and transformation
energy/mass” give answer to this question ?
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His cat is not a photon, so E = hf does not apply, as both I and Markus (at least) have already pointed out. It is rude of you not to have read what we took the trouble to write. Are you only interested in a monologue, then? If so, this thread should be locked.  Bookmarks
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