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    Who wants to speculate? I want to speculate. Let's speculate!


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    First things first: Spock and Uhura's little love story should disappear.

    Then, my wish is that they actually for a change follow their motto: "Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before.", which is (more or less) what Real-Spock was saying at the end of last one. Let's hope they do that. And don't bring back William Shatner. And I hope Scott's stupid lizard friend disappears as well.


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    Don't bring back William Shatner?!?!
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    He is too old and fat and, for me, doesn't fit in a new version of Star trek as Leonard Nemoy did.
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    I'd love it if he was in it.

    Here's some speculation: I didn't notice before (low level perception filter or, more likely, I'm thick) but on the photos of Benedict Cumberbatch on set UPDATE: First Set Photos From the Next Star Trek Movie! - ComingSoon.net the Star Trek logo can be seen on his shirt. Does this mean that he is a member of Star Fleet, which could be supporting evidence for the Gary Mitchell theory? I don't see why Khan would have that logo on his shirt. Unless he borrowed a shirt from the Enterprise because he needed one or something. And the shirt is black, which is the sort of unranked version, which is probably what they (they being the Enterprise crew) would give Khan to wear if he needed a shirt.
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    Thing to remember is Star Trek and Star Trek 2 are placed in what is basically an alternate universe from the prior trek cannon, so anything is possible. The old actors from TOS are not likely to make appearances, except Nemoy who was brought along into the new Universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousAboutEverything View Post
    I'd love it if he was in it.
    Sadly his acting career went rather down hill after star trek, anybody rmember T J Hooker? enough said.
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    He was well received in The Practice but that was the final season for it. He seems to be pretty hit and miss.
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    Oh and let us not forget his time in the ill fated Tek-War series
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    I hear Cumberbatch has been working out for his new role. Could that indicate Khan? Khan's supposed to be muscular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisgorlitz View Post
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    I'd love it if he was in it.
    Sadly his acting career went rather down hill after star trek, anybody rmember T J Hooker? enough said.
    Did anyone watch The Roast of William Shatner? They showed a bit of a play he did, which contained the worst example of professional acting I have ever seen. It was so bad, that his shame at having it shown should have been more than enough of a roast.

    Any way, I hope it isn't Khan, though the original was one of the best ST movies.
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    I'm pretty sure that it won't be Kahn. Simon Peg (Scotty) actually denied that it was. Peg has no reason of his own to lie about it, and even though Abram's is trying to keep things a secret, I doubt that he would ask him to to (At most he might have been asked to say nothing.) There is a chance that the whole Kahn rumor was a red herring put out by Abrams to throw people off the track.

    As far as the new Trek taking place in a alternate Universe. This is only true to a certain point. This universe only split off from the original Star Trek universe at the point of Kirk's birth, some 25 yrs previous to the events in the first movie, anything that happened prior to that would have been identical to the original. IOW, anything is not possible. Only that which could have changed in 25 yrs. Kahn would still been born and set off into space in the Botany bay and Mitchell would have been born if older than Kirk, and might have been born if younger. Nomad and the Planet killer (Doomsday machine) should still be out there somewhere etc.
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    I was trying to use alternate to reference that the universe changes as soon as Nero traveled back in time. Everything after that point will proceed to diverge from the established Canon timeline due to the deaths/course changes/decisions that occurred.
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    "Any way, I hope it isn't Khan, though the original was one of the best ST movies."
    Yep, by far my favorite of the lot.
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    The STAR TREK 2 Trailer is out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave A.Vicks View Post
    The STAR TREK 2 Trailer is out.
    Yep and it looks great! No lens flares I could notice.
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    I wonder where they Filmed it?
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    So I've heard/seen speculation for both Khan and Charlie X. Thoughts?
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    I heard Gary Mitchell as a possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    I heard Gary Mitchell as a possibility.
    Would just be a re-hash of "Of Gods and Men."

    I think Khan would be a stupid idea, though.
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    There is rumers of a new Star Trek Series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave A.Vicks View Post
    There is rumers of a new Star Trek Series.
    Yes, featuring Worf as far as I know. Titled Start Trek: Commander Worf, or something.
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    I like Worf just fine but I don't see his character as being strong enough of a personality to play the central character in a series. I wonder what would happen if they changed the pov of the series though, and rather than making star fleet the hero factory, tell the story from teh point of view of the Romulans or Andorians or something like that. It could be interesting.
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    Ideally, of course, I'd love the cast of Star Trek: The Next Generation to make another 10 seasons.

    What I'd love though, is for any crew to really follow the mission of going where no man has gone before. Go to the Andromeda galaxy or something and encounter all sorts of weird situations and species. Something grittier with a dedicated crew, not one with families on board and such and also with a new state of the art kind of ship set sometime much farther in the future.

    There was one episode of TNG where it is explained why there are so many humanoid aliens throughout the Milky Way. Now with CGI being easier and cheaper, all sorts of weird and wonderful aliens could be imagined.

    That is a theme that has been missing in general throughout science fiction films and series imo, i.e. someone really doing the exploring the weird and wonderful thing properly. I have never watched any of the Star gate, Andromeda or Battlestar Galactica stuff though.
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    I'm not seeing it. These new Trek films are a travesty to the spirit of the show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    Ideally, of course, I'd love the cast of Star Trek: The Next Generation to make another 10 seasons.

    What I'd love though, is for any crew to really follow the mission of going where no man has gone before. Go to the Andromeda galaxy or something and encounter all sorts of weird situations and species. Something grittier with a dedicated crew, not one with families on board and such and also with a new state of the art kind of ship set sometime much farther in the future.

    There was one episode of TNG where it is explained why there are so many humanoid aliens throughout the Milky Way. Now with CGI being easier and cheaper, all sorts of weird and wonderful aliens could be imagined.

    That is a theme that has been missing in general throughout science fiction films and series imo, i.e. someone really doing the exploring the weird and wonderful thing properly. I have never watched any of the Star gate, Andromeda or Battlestar Galactica stuff though.
    Agreed. However you should watch all seasons of the Stargate series and the additional movies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arKane View Post

    Agreed. However you should watch all seasons of the Stargate series and the additional movies.
    Still can't believe they canned SGU after only two seasons and just when it was getting interesting. At least with star trek they always find another way to re-ultalise the franchise, looks about dead though now for stargate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisgorlitz View Post
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    Agreed. However you should watch all seasons of the Stargate series and the additional movies.
    Still can't believe they canned SGU after only two seasons and just when it was getting interesting. At least with star trek they always find another way to re-ultalise the franchise, looks about dead though now for stargate.
    Yes I have to agree with you, but Stargate still has a good following and potential for future series, so I wouldn't count them out yet.
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    SG, well considering that a decades old series (ST) that was cancelled after only 2 seasons eventually made its way to the big screen, maybe several years from now they will make a few Movie sequels to the original StarGate Mvie along the lines of the TV series SG1 which had more than 2 seasons. Maybe a reboot, with a taboo love interest among team members, an alcoholic, and a gay Guaoul, and an old cast member coming back from the future and alter the timeline so they can do whatever without bending backwards to re-do the tv series, but with a grim and dark realism and a contrasting array of dazzling blurry lights, and pseudo-teenage actors, the commander of the SG base should not look a day older than 23 and fresh out of boot camp academy.


    ( By the way I just heard that Peter Jackson 's next movie will be "little red ridding hood",
    apparently its going to be a trilogy of 3 hours movies... )


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    Quote Originally Posted by icewendigo View Post
    SG, well considering that a decades old series (ST) that was cancelled after only 2 seasons eventually made its way to the big screen, maybe several years from now they will make a few Movie sequels to the original StarGate Mvie along the lines of the TV series SG1 which had more than 2 seasons. Maybe a reboot, with a taboo love interest among team members, an alcoholic, and a gay Guaoul, and an old cast member coming back from the future and alter the timeline so they can do whatever without bending backwards to re-do the tv series, but with a grim and dark realism and a contrasting array of dazzling blurry lights, and pseudo-teenage actors, the commander of the SG base should not look a day older than 23 and fresh out of boot camp academy.


    ( By the way I just heard that Peter Jackson 's next movie will be "little red ridding hood",
    apparently its going to be a trilogy of 3 hours movies... )


    PS: If you like Sci-Fi Movies, dont watch the trailer for "Oblivion" with Tom Cruise, it appears that they utterly ruin the plot by showing / hinting way too much. I hate it when that happens, a potentially good movie ruined by an overly eager trailer that craps out parts of the plot
    ~ Come and see the next Star Wars, you'll be amazed by surprising revelations like Darth Vader saying "Luke I, am your father", You will wonder how luke gets out of the ice cave by using his Jedi power to pull his lightsaber just in the nick of time, you'l be surprised to see that Yoda is the green puppet that you didnt think would be Yoda, you will be appalled by Lando's treachery and by his change of heart, and you will be saddened by Solo's freezing but will be thankful he's still alive for the next sequel, come see Empire Strikes Back in a theater near you ~
    IMO, any good storyline is destroyed when you cast Tom Cruise in any role associated with it. I don't know what it is about his face but it just makes my skin crawl and always has, even before he went crazy. And it really is his face that bothers me. Woody Allen has the same affect. I see them and just want to use dull rusty objects to remove their faces from my view... its weird... perhaps something to bring up with a therapist.
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    Well not sure what's going on in this trailer, but it's a good bet I'll watch it when released.

    Star Trek Into Darkness HD1080i NEW Trailer Teaser - YouTube
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    That is just a fan trailer with TNG mixed in.
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    I heard Walter Koenig will be in the new Trek Series.
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    SLIDERS & ALIEN NATION where also good SF TV shows
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