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    In terms of sci-fi I am really looking foward to Ridley Scott's new film Prometheus, from the trailer it looks awsome.
    This looks like it could truely be another master peice like Blade Runner and Alien.

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    Same here, that's THE movie Im looking forward to this year, and I hope the trailer didnt spoil it (even though it most surely has, with the avalanche of spoilers and plot elements they've shown, imo they both succeeded in making me want to see it AND have spoiled it as well)


    Its as if they made a trailer for The Empire Strikes Back in which they showed;

    ~ Luke force pull his lightsaber then chop the Snowbeast's arm,
    The pointy ear green native saying he's Yoda the Jedi Master he's looking for,
    Lando standing next to Vader in cloud city talking about his deal
    and Vader saying "Luke, 'I' am your Father" ~


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    Wow, what a let down. I was afraid the spoilers in the trailer would ruin the movie, and although it didnt help thats not what hammered the nail in the coffin. I saw Prometheus and was kicked out of my seat with an iron cap boot by unlikely/contrived plot/script elements which ruined an otherwise would-be great movie.
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    SPOILER ALERT Dont highlight read unless you have seen the movie

    1- They land on a planet, right where there are ruins. If the whole planet is covered with ruins then they happen to land on key ruins. But thats not too bad, I can let that slide.
    2- The Air is breathable in one section of the ruins. Ok. So one guy takes off his helmet. What about bacteria? Asbestos-ish dust particles? Alien fungal spores? All team members do the same? Even sewers on earth can be breathable one minute and not breathable the next, and thats not an unknown alien location. Odd, but I'll let that slide too.
    3- How the hell can the two guys who want to get out ASAP get lost in a relatively simple layout, thats 3D mapped and monitored from the ship? Ouch that booted me out of my seat on to the floor of the theater.
    4- How the hell can a biologist who was scarred in the first place, act like a lobotomized imbecile and pet the alien worm? If you are scared you should stay away from a spider or scorpion, a komodo dragon's simple bite can kill you because of bacteria in saliva. The behavior of this character is stupid even for a non scared person, its utterly ridiculous and unbelievable for someone that's supposed to be scared. That kicked me out of the movie theater doors (figuratively).
    5- How did the captain pull out of his hat that this was a military base?
    6- Theres a truck load more in congruent things, too many to list, but the icing on the cake was seeing the women run in a direct line along the path of the rolling wheel ship, like a big ball rolling in a straight line towards you and you decide to run in a straight line along its path ?
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    People can make sense of anything if they wanted too (eg: religion). But I think some people don't like Prometheus because they watch the 2D version. In 3D version the best part is when nobody/no-character talk... ie: the opening title.

    *what's the point in watching in 2D?
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    But I think some people don't like Prometheus because they watch the 2D version.
    Maybe I should have watched it in 3D.. I usually dont like 3D because in a paradoxical way I find it 'less' immersive, because of the side-show gee-wiz factor (gee-wiz, look at that blueberry pie come right out of the screen, oh boy) and the impression something is not 100% right, theres a 0.1% something thats not right and partially diverts my attention away from the movie's story towards the strangeness of the visuals.
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    You should notice that there's a scene of (Star-Trek esque) holodeck in Prometheus ,(its suppose to be cool right?)! It won't be missable if you saw in 3D. -But what so interesting is that those stuff in the movie blend soo well, you didn't even notice them. (eg: was holographic TV normal? yea it is!)

    There's alot of sci-fi aspect in Prometheus but it doesn't make themselve glaringly visible, some people even commented that Prometheus is just a horror movie & not sci-fi. But Prometheus is a sci-fi (eg: the medpod?). I think this was designed that way on purpose to create immersiveness.
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    To be honest I was very disappointed with Prometheus. I can't quite put my finger on the reason, but somehow it has none of the appeal and suspense of the other Alien movies. Big let-down.
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    I can point my finger on it, the script (what the characters do and say) is a pile of bull shit. Or mostly great with some shit here and there that utterly throws suspension of disbelief out the window.

    I think that cutting off about 15 minutes of bullshit scenes and ridiculous dialogue, rewritting and re-shooting about 15 minutes of pertinent and missing dialogue, would turn this wasted movie into a decent movie.

    Aliens is consistent enough to keep you in the movie. But if it contained a scene where the command center door rings, and a clown juggling ask for change and a Marine gives him a nickel, then the exact same rest of the movie will be lost because you can no longer pretend this is going on, the exact same movie scenes are no longer scary or dramatic to the same extent because because instead of being scared of an alien being on the other side of the door you wonder what kind of implausible crap are they (movie makers) going to pull next as a contrived plot device to justify some other scene, it would ruin the movie. Imo most of the action/scenes in Prometheus would have been great had they not been tainted by the implausible bits and pieces that are scattered throughout the movie.
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    The Cinematography was excellent. In 3D, the best parts occurred when there was no dialog. I think R. Scott has forgotten what Science Fiction is supposed to be about. Much of the dialog was unscientific (e.g. The Carbon dating reference didn't make any sense). I wouldn't be surprise if this movie becomes a Fan-redone project.
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    Ridley Scott’s Prometheus and anti-science–an update
    http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skept...nce-an-update/
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    Richard Dawkins, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Jim Al-Khalili, Scott Atran, Lawrence Krauss, Michael Shermer
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    Quote Originally Posted by icewendigo View Post
    I can point my finger on it, the script (what the characters do and say) is a pile of bull shit. Or mostly great with some shit here and there that utterly throws suspension of disbelief out the window.
    Without the swearing, I would unfortunately happen to agree, I did rather find myself thinking 'you what' or 'ey?' rather more often than I would have liked. I found it generally to be quite lacking in any real scientific explations as well. That said if you ignore the script, lack of good science, the beginning and the end it was an alright film. I'm would imagine they'll probarbly make another one, so lets hope they get it right next time.
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    I rather have the movie let me answer the question myself rather than it to explain stuff 1 by 1 like textbook. I fully enjoy the experience and don't really care about "question not answered" stuff that people always complaining. -Its just a short ride thru the Prometheus universe, you can't force it to answer any questions.

    Its like showing a magic show to a kid. They will bang on your door if you don't give answer (real life experience). The point is: the fun is not in the answer.

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    I remember seeing low budget movie that has a mouthfull of conversation trying to explain every detail of a military operation (really boring). The point is: stuff always need to be cut, and its always the technical detail that is cut from a movie because it make the movie felt silly. For example: in original Alien, there's deleted scene that you can find in youtube that's mostly technical/detailed themed conversation (deleted scene are not in the movie!)... and in Bladerunner, the script about the replicant unable to reproduce (before it died) is replaced with a more emotional/philosophical script about what he saw in space ... (both movie is epic)
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    [spoiler discussion]

    All in all, I believe the film comes down to one ultimate life lesson: If you're running away from a rolling object that's about to crush you, don't run in a straight path you moron.
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    Anyway, for any fellow xenomorph fans, what do you think about the alien-like organism from the last scene?
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    It look like a sperm...
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    A couple of points that people seem to miss about the film. 1 the "scientists are archeologists. I know several personally and they have a horrible habit of poking their digits in places they should not. And also doing silly things like getting face to face with things that may be hazardous. As for the end of the movie SPOILER ALERT Highlight to read.

    The Planet: It is not the same Planet where Ripley and company found the Xenomorph. In the original movie the Planet does not orbit a larger ringed planet. The fact that the woman takes off in one of the Alien ships leads me to believe that there is more to come. As for the whole "Humans are the creation of an alien intelligence" I think that is a load of crap.
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    Well it now makes sense why Ripley thought the signal might be a warning... Didn't catch the carbon dating, yeah it would confirm he/she died when the head was cut off, as they saw in the hologram, no date though. 3 percent CO2 I'm quite certain would be a long uncomfortable way to die, but I think there would be plenty of room for resuscitation. But boy I got to say over all visually stunning, I loved it. You have to get stoned and take it all in man. But then what do I know I thought Number three was the best, certainly the boldest.... Keep in mind it never mentioned predator.
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    Sorry for the thread necromancy . . .

    I recently saw this film on satellite TV -- yeah, I'm always about a year behind the rest of the world -- and was disappointed. A waste of very good special effects and a pretty decent cast. And I was very much looking forward to this movie. I'm not sure I ever learned what I was hoping to learn: why was the ship on LV-426?
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    I've been looking forward to it and still have not yet seen it. Everyone keeps saying it was a farce... It's a let down I haven't even experienced...
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    It was OK, but not as good as I thought it would be. Many similarities in this movie that were taken from the other Alien films esp, the Xenomorh at the end.

    The ending does show that another part 2 will be coming soon.

    It is an afternoon matinee film not one worth a full fare to pay to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    I've been looking forward to it and still have not yet seen it. Everyone keeps saying it was a farce... It's a let down I haven't even experienced...
    It's good for a look-see. Like I said, the special effects are good. The end (or the many ends) just seem to go on and on. Watch it. Tell us what you think. It's definitely open ended and ready for a sequel, but I don't know how it fared at the box office.
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    but I don't know how it fared at the box office.



    Worldwide Gross:
    $403,170,142,Jun 08, 2012 I don't see any more recent numbers but I'd think it would have earned well over 500 million easily worldwide by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    but I don't know how it fared at the box office.



    Worldwide Gross:
    $403,170,142,Jun 08, 2012 I don't see any more recent numbers but I'd think it would have earned well over 500 million easily worldwide by now.
    Well then, maybe there will be a sequel.
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    From what I heard in the rumor mill they already have made it, it was shot at the same time the first one was done to save money. It will be just a matter of when they will release it to the general public, perhaps in a year or two, who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus Hanke View Post
    To be honest I was very disappointed with Prometheus. I can't quite put my finger on the reason, but somehow it has none of the appeal and suspense of the other Alien movies. Big let-down.
    My issue with Prometheus is that it is essentially a remake of Alien. Of course there is no sense of suspense, you've seen all the key scenes before. Alien embryos implanted in people, said embryos bloodily bursting from their bodies, the creepy but helpful android gets its head blown off, the half naked chick is the sole survivor. Yeesh. I bet in the sequel (you know there will be a sequel) there will be a little girl to be rescued.
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    A good sign of a film is one that keeps you thinking about it for years after, this is something the Alien saga has always done for me. The new film Prometheus opens up a whole can of worms, literally, from the idea of evolution starting, to the creation of the first Xenomorph, but one thing that has always keep my mind side tracked is the story of the androids and their agenda. I'd like to think they are just following direct orders from men, incapable of acts of self interest, but after watching Prometheus and observing David I feel he is! For example, his God/creator has died but he still wants to carry on with alien research but how can this be possible, Wayland has gone so where are his orders coming from, who is telling him to continue and look for more answers?
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