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  1. #1 17 000 pages and 1/3rd done. 
    Forum Ph.D. Raziell's Avatar
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    Hi!

    Writing a science fiction book.

    Ive taken the advice from a friend not to "count words" but use them as a general guideline on how far you are.
    He made good points like quality > quantity. "Would you rather have a great book that is 40 000 words or a mediocre and boring book at 60 000 words just for the sake of having that number?" he asked.

    Ive read that if something is SHORTER than 60 000 words, then its a "short novel" or something, but i want to write a proper BOOK so to speak.

    I feel im like one 1/3rd done, so estimating about 50 000 total when done.

    However despite his advice. I feel going back and adding some "filler chapters" to deepen my characters development and personalities may just not be a bad thing.

    As a writer and/or reader - what do you guys think about this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raziell View Post
    "Would you rather have a great book that is 40 000 words or a mediocre and boring book at 60 000 words just for the sake of having that number?"
    Why stop at 40,000? Anna Karenina is 350,000 words. You're young enough. You should be done before you're 50.


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    Long novels are out of style, apart from the glut of epic fantasy on the market. The length is irrelevant though, some of the most powerful works are only a few pages long, while others are doorstops.

    My aesthetic taste lies with the modernist and so I'll quote the poet Ezra Pound, "It is better to present one Image in a lifetime than to produce voluminous works." A good novel should be an effective unit, avoid unnecessary chapters that don't add anything thematically or advance the plot.
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    short novels are out of style actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spuriousmonkey View Post
    short novels are out of style actually.
    I'd disagree, especially amongst literary fiction. A handful of established authors like Irving or Roth can get away with writing bricks, but most are short.

    Even looking at fantasy, the locus award for the last 11 years, only one long novel got the award. That would be Martin's novel, but I have to admit to not reading Paladin of Souls, so it might be long too.

    Locus Award for Best Fantasy Novel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Sci-fi splits a little bit, but I don't think Stephenson is representative of most new sci-fi. He gets away with it because Diamond Age and Snowcrash made him a sci-fi giant in the 90s, so he has the name to bring people to a long novel.

    It's not that I oppose long books, but publishers, and many readers, shy away from long novels.
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