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  1. #1 Do you have fate that we are in a Matrix World? 
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    Well I think fate is not a good word, but do you some times believe that this world could be a projection of a computer base virtual world...


    And when I say the this world could be the matrix ... I am not even talking about robots that are trying to invade the world


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    IBM just created a 500 GHz chip. So say in ten years we have 1 THz processors. How many of those would it take to simulate someones life?

    To say we can't figure out how to program such a thing is not proof it can't be done or is not being done now, it simply means we don't understand are own existence and can't formulate a way to simulate what we don't really understand.


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    It would be interesting to have it be to the point where if you die you can continue life in the digital world. I doubt this would happen in the near future, but it's nice to dream.
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    insanity, dont you mean 2 years? its doubled every 2 years

    bieng a matrixian (beliving we are in a matrix) is bieng stupid becuase it wouldnt work, and machines have no use for us
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    insanity, dont you mean 2 years? its doubled every 2 years

    bieng a matrixian (beliving we are in a matrix) is bieng stupid becuase it wouldnt work, and machines have no use for us
    so your saying for certain that an artificial consciousness wouldm't find our lives entertaining. or enjoy messing with us.
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    itll be cool {red pill or the blue pill} =P
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    I hereby with this post say im the king by making my 1000th posts MOHAHAHA

    and also AI will be real eventualy, treat them as you want to be treated and they wont see any reason to harm us
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    grats zelos
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    Quote Originally Posted by iLOVEscience
    itll be cool {red pill or the blue pill} =P
    now what happens if you take both at the same time just to spite morpheus.

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    I hereby with this post say im the king by making my 1000th posts MOHAHAHA
    nice work, i've been here over a year and aren't even there yet.
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    haha wallaby is funny

    if u take both ull return back to ur normal llife and then morpheus come to u and take u out of the maxtrix itll be same thing as taking the red pill lol
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    it would take an almost infinite ghz processor to emulate all those particles
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    Quote Originally Posted by iLOVEscience
    haha wallaby is funny

    if u take both ull return back to ur normal llife and then morpheus come to u and take u out of the maxtrix itll be same thing as taking the red pill lol
    good enough answer for me, i don't want to be up all night chasing white rabbits anyhow.

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    it would take an almost infinite ghz processor to emulate all those particles
    what if it only emulates them when someones looking at them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by (In)Sanity
    IBM just created a 500 GHz chip. So say in ten years we have 1 THz processors. How many of those would it take to simulate someones life?

    To say we can't figure out how to program such a thing is not proof it can't be done or is not being done now, it simply means we don't understand are own existence and can't formulate a way to simulate what we don't really understand.
    If you're in a simulation how would you know, how much real-time it takes to simulate one second of your life? Your simulated life could actually take hundreds of years of processing time, but you'd have no way of knowing it.
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    the best argument is, why would the machines use us? they have absolutly nothing to get from us
    I am zelos. Destroyer of planets, exterminator of life, conquerer of worlds. I have come to rule this uiniverse. And there is nothing u pathetic biengs can do to stop me

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    lol have u even watch the maxtrix yet? if u didnt the machine clone us to be their batteries because our brain is actually a energy powerplant so they would gather the energies by plug those thingy to the brain and spine on the body of human to such the energy out of them :-D
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    no no no no!
    a living bieng istn a energy RESOURCE, its a energy CONSUMER
    it uses low entropy chemcials and turn it into high entropy heat. you loses energy, they can instant of giving this chemical to us just burn it, far more effective. in the law of entropy they have nothing to get from us in energy
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    lol thats y they call maxtrix a movie haha SCIENCE FICTION :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    and also AI will be real eventualy, treat them as you want to be treated and they wont see any reason to harm us
    Um...that doesn't always work with people. Why would it work with machines that think like people?
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    I always wondered if they threw in the line about "along with a form of fusion" in the first matric movie at the last minute because someone pointed out that human bodies are only able to net absorb energy. All of the energy that we "release" has to be put into us before we can put it back out.
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    I do hope we are not a computer program, still if I ever look up to the clear blue sky and see "This simulation has performed an illegal operation and will be shutdown" ......
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    Matrix:
    Complexity: High
    Effiency: minimal
    Programming: Sofisticated
    Chance for error: Huge
    Conclution: impossible
    Action: Dont think about matrix

    there have been murderes that blame their murdering on the matrix and that they are trying to get out
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    frequent maintinance with very large resources seem to have done the job.
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    Resource quantity required for maintinance is to great. Not worth it.
    Machines will logicly exterminate the organisms if they find them as a threat
    I am zelos. Destroyer of planets, exterminator of life, conquerer of worlds. I have come to rule this uiniverse. And there is nothing u pathetic biengs can do to stop me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    Resource quantity required for maintinance is to great. Not worth it.
    Machines will logicly exterminate the organisms if they find them as a threat
    but when you don't eat food, don't drink, don't crap and don't waste resources on things such as we do, when factories can conduct easy maintinence on hardware and when your entire purpose is centered either around maintaining the power supply or destroying the ones who don't belong in your world.

    i think you'd have enough resources, for hardware or software needs.
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    I'd say from the average quality of post's here you'd only need a few bytes to assimilate the average 'human' In the case of some who claim to rule the universe it is clear you would just need an 'unstable multivibrator' 8)
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    You say i dont make sense, here is a exemple of you. here on be quite about proper english. If you cant take less proper english internet isnt for you
    I am zelos. Destroyer of planets, exterminator of life, conquerer of worlds. I have come to rule this uiniverse. And there is nothing u pathetic biengs can do to stop me

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    I have no objection to anyone immediately recognising themselves in my text.
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  29. #28 The matrix has you 
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    I agree with greymatter5. Could we return the thread to the topic, whatever it was.
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    Why is this called science fiction and non fiction? Why not just science?
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    Quote Originally Posted by billco
    Why is this called science fiction and non fiction? Why not just science?
    yea and then when you click on it to go into this section of the forum... *poof* you wind up in a science forum within a forum.

    you try to leave but there are an infinite number of forums that not even the borg can escape... yes thats right i said it the borg would not escape.
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    We are the borg
    We have assimilated the creator of matrix.
    We are the creator of matrix
    We are the matrix
    We are one
    I am zelos. Destroyer of planets, exterminator of life, conquerer of worlds. I have come to rule this uiniverse. And there is nothing u pathetic biengs can do to stop me

    On the eighth day Zelos said: 'Let there be darkness,' and the light was never again seen.

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    Zelos believes he is the borg because he thinks he is the borg. Clearly something has assimilated him[his mind]. If the borg assimilates living creatures that have a limited lifespan and models 'itself' upon them then it too must have a limited lif-span. The constant repitition of "you will be assimilated" suggests that he is behaving like a PC that has had it's plug pulled, or has found itself in a 'do forever' loop such as While 1==1 then do; writeln "we are the borg";. It is time for Zelos to show he is mightier and escape this loop, time for Zelos to escape the inescapable.
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  35. #34 "Fundamental" attachments, escape, & system pr 
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    Quote Originally Posted by billco
    Zelos believes he is the borg because he thinks he is the borg. Clearly something has assimilated him[his mind]. If the borg assimilates living creatures that have a limited lifespan and models 'itself' upon them then it too must have a limited lif-span. The constant repitition of "you will be assimilated" suggests that he is behaving like a PC that has had it's plug pulled, or has found itself in a 'do forever' loop such as While 1==1 then do; writeln "we are the borg";. It is time for Zelos to show he is mightier and escape this loop, time for Zelos to escape the inescapable.
    Let Zelos be an archetype applied to many fans of Star Trek, the matrix, and sci-fi. Within this information something emerges that addresses various human aspects. Assimilation and "the matrix has you" contain contemporary interactions and express them in particular ways.

    (I have not seen too much Star Trek, and only two of the Matrix movies, one of the matrix partially).

    Although these are recent expressions of current civilization, there is something very similar about these stories which I align to mythology--recently seen two of the Joseph Campbell interviews, and again Star Trek and the matrix are recent and I wonder what discourse/literature may exist on these movies. It actually is surprising, I have been curious why Hero myths are so prevalent. It is very powerful and the inescapable condition of myth is also very stabilizing along with a paradoxical nature on the whole as well.

    All in all, I have not derive too much from myth when tradition was no longer progress, and would prefer to consider the boundaries and transitions from the processes. The matrix, at least the first one, seems to address personal development issues (we have to escape) that are interelated with societal (Western society?) issues, that I think contains a fascinating realm of technology, power, responsibility, challenge, and a tantalizing usage of new age contradiction, namely reconfigured shamanism.

    Note: realm not reality, and the construction/presentation of it is quite creative--how can one describe their day or surroundings in such a way?

    Also, these aspects are much more interesting in ambivalence and transition unlike the delusions of politics--that is assimilation of the mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billco
    Zelos believes he is the borg because he thinks he is the borg. Clearly something has assimilated him[his mind]. If the borg assimilates living creatures that have a limited lifespan and models 'itself' upon them then it too must have a limited lif-span. The constant repitition of "you will be assimilated" suggests that he is behaving like a PC that has had it's plug pulled, or has found itself in a 'do forever' loop such as While 1==1 then do; writeln "we are the borg";. It is time for Zelos to show he is mightier and escape this loop, time for Zelos to escape the inescapable.
    We are the borg
    We are perfect
    Negotiation is irrelevant
    Changing is irrelevant
    I am zelos. Destroyer of planets, exterminator of life, conquerer of worlds. I have come to rule this uiniverse. And there is nothing u pathetic biengs can do to stop me

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    Quote Originally Posted by iLOVEscience
    lol have u even watch the maxtrix yet? if u didnt the machine clone us to be their batteries because our brain is actually a energy powerplant so they would gather the energies by plug those thingy to the brain and spine on the body of human to such the energy out of them :-D
    Yes and this is one of the stupidiest thing I ever hear in a science fiction movie. Granted that I love science-fiction movie, that's said it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    We are the borg
    We are perfect
    Negotiation is irrelevant
    Changing is irrelevant
    This is the best description of Bjon Borg I ever seen :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerdoc
    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    We are the borg
    We are perfect
    Negotiation is irrelevant
    Changing is irrelevant
    This is the best description of Bjon Borg I ever seen :P

    Don't you mean 'This is the best description of Beyond Borg I ever seen'
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    We are the borg
    You will be assimilated
    Lower your shields and powerdown your weapons
    Resistence is futile

    Your desegnation will be 1 of infinite
    I am zelos. Destroyer of planets, exterminator of life, conquerer of worlds. I have come to rule this uiniverse. And there is nothing u pathetic biengs can do to stop me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    We are the borg
    You will be assimilated
    Lower your shields and powerdown your weapons
    Resistence is futile

    Your desegnation will be 1 of infinite
    and if my weapon doesn't have a powerdown function?
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    It seems likely that we are merely a simulation experiment by a higher order of life. This would explain why the universe 'works' and is finely balanced. Soner or later man will generate a psuedo world on a computer to simulate how life started. THis may go through hundreds of cyles in the course of infinity. Why should we be at the top? it must be more likely we are further down. What better explanation for the Big bang?. Just look at how 'real' the simulator programs are. Our dreams are merely 'temporary' scenarios chucked in for experimentation. It also accouns for why we have not yet discovered ET. IF we all keep looking maybe our 'creator' will build a sub-routine allowing us the opportunity to meet him. Finally I feel this accounts for many of Stephen Hawking's ideas, he has been programmed to throw us of course. But remember this is a science fiction thread so I could just be making it all up....
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    It seems likely that we are merely a simulation experiment by a higher order of life. This would explain why the universe 'works' and is finely balanced. Soner or later man will generate a psuedo world on a computer to simulate how life started.
    once again you push the problem away one step

    ? it must be more likely we are further down. What better explanation for the Big bang?. Just look at how 'real' the simulator programs are. Our dreams are merely 'temporary' scenarios chucked in for experimentation. It also accouns for why we have not yet discovered ET. IF we all keep looking maybe our 'creator' will build a sub-routine allowing us the opportunity to meet him. Finally I feel this accounts for many of Stephen Hawking's ideas, he has been programmed to throw us of course. But remember this is a science fiction thread so I could just be making it all up....
    the best thing to consider is that we are at the top since else we are simply just pushing away the problem one to several steps and it remain unsolved

    and if my weapon doesn't have a powerdown function?
    It is irrelevant
    You will be assimilated
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    NO I'm not! - the question was are we a matrix world? I am entitled to say I believe we might be. It would explain why the universe is expanding and the big bang theory. For a borg to say we are not a program, is just a little incongruous, don't you think?. It could also be that advances in science are merely improvements or upgrades in our program. we can only see further now than they could 2000 years ago because we are running on a larger computer and have been given more room to operate in. It really is a perfect solution.
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    It would explain why the universe is expanding and the big bang theory.
    no? it would just confuse it since there is no reason to have it expanding in a matrix. it can be static there

    For a borg to say we are not a program, is just a little incongruous, don't you think?.
    joke

    It really is a perfect solution.
    that we are in a matrix? its no solution, it just destroys everything we already have
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    The fact that we are in the matrix itself wouldn't make any difference, since (1) there is nothing you can do about it, (2) It doesn't change anything that we observe since (1) we can't do anything about it. So if (3) what we observe is wrong (1) we can't do anything about it (2) It doesn't change anything we observe and (4) what we observe is still something that an AI could think of to produce (5) people make good computers to calibrate the reality since (6) they produce themself and (7) they are easy to replace and manipulate, use for purposes they don't want to expose them self to. Compared to ( 8 ) making a computer out of rare metals, (9) humans beats them all and (10) if you are going to use the human as a computer (11) why bother making a different reality for them? They trive and behave the best if they are in reality. Much waste of a good computer.
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    This universe is actually just an experimental universe that is being ran on some higher dimensional computer lasting about .3 nanoseconds in said universe.
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    I agree, I just hope the message "This universe has performed an illegal operation and will be shutdown" does not appear written across the sky!

    or perhaps worse still "Your 31 day free trial of Humaniverse 2.06 has expired" - since nobody ever renews!.
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    what about " When running the following opperation an error occured, due to this all files will be deleted"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevyn
    what about " When running the following opperation an error occured, due to this all files will be deleted"
    It's not a valid windows error message silly!
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    ok then this isn't a valid error message either but it's funny "When running the following program microsoft word was opened and the soddin paper clip was released causing havoc across the program"
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    The best message ever seen on a PC screen was...

    "Warning, you have only 3 minutes of unlimited internet access time remaining."
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    I highly agree with LeavingQuietly, yet The Matrix, like any other program even invented, is a computer program. Thus, it can be hacked. So, if this really was a Matrix, there is something we could do about it. Hack it and use it to our full advantage. Wouldn't that blow your mind, hacking 'Life'.
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