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Who would win in a battle between the Enterprise E and a Star Destroyer?
Now that you mention it, exactly how large are they compared to each other?
January 15th, 2006, 05:20 PM
Gonna get a lot of arguments for this one...hehe...
Who would win in a battle between the Enterprise E and a Star Destroyer?
Now that you mention it, exactly how large are they compared to each other?
Did you notice in Attack of the Clones, Yoda calls on the cloned troops to concentrate all their fire on "the leading Federation Starship!"
Hehe...an easter egg, maybe?
both will destroy each otehr !!!
This is certainly a hot topic among fans. Star Wars wins by the way. Millions of ships and moon sized Death Stars? The United Federation of Planets wouldn't have a chance. As for the Enterprise-E vs. a star destroyer, it would have to be the Enterprise-E vs. Slave 1 (Boba/Jango Fett's ship) for the Enterprise to have a fighting chance.
Originally Posted by cs-comm
that was cool!
enterprise would win obvisly
Shields vs no shields, hmm. Easy call.
shields can be less effient in protecting than a really strong armor
yea i mean the galactica took a nuke to the hull and still stood.
but i think they would have appreciated sheilds.
I think Star Wars.. I mean... Start Trek is more Diplomacy (I haven't even watch the show)... Star Wars was JEDIS
With the whole Star Destroyer vs. Enterprise I'd have to go with the enterprise. The Star Destroyer may have the bigger... everything but it definitely has some MAJOR weak points... like when the one X-wing crashes into the cockpit area and takes it down just like that.. I'm sure the enterprise could get one fast torpedoe in there pretty fast for the win...
Yeah... but then we got Darth Vader and his Space ship... he can destroy the emterprise
I think both suck and should all die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/color]
wow
c3p0 and ar2d2 would enialate the enterprise, utilising their laser guns and lightsabers
They would not, they dont have any weapons and can not handle a lightsabor
i know
kill those eergy pods that power sheilds
the kill the engines haha.... but may have to use kamikaze??? lol
if the fuel is so potent such as to move these big things so fast
why not explode it all @ once
haha well star destroyer is like a carrier in starcraft lol so it will swarm enterprise haha
Have you actually watched any starwars movies? They were shown to have shields in every single movie!
My opinion:
The star destroyer appears to be much larger and armored, it does have shields which tiny fighter weapons appear to be able to penetrate. It seams to possess a vast array of small to medium weapons that appear to have a short range, poor acuracy and many of which are good against smaller vessels. The star destroyer appears to be less manouverable than the enterprise.
The enterprise appears to have better shields able to withstand heavy capital ship weapons and still hold (as Picard drinks his tea with the pinky finger raised/ or Spock raises a brow and says 'fascinating'). The enterprise appears to have fewer but accurate heavy beam weapons (phasers) in addition to capital ship torpedo weapons.
In a battle I imagine the enterprise could in the hands of a competent captain, outmanouver the stardestroyer to attack from the rear where most of the stardestroyers weapons array are unable to reach, and fire a few torpedos in the large engine exhaust to kill the Star Destroyer.
In addition, the Enterprise can shoot a spread of photon torpedos at the star destroyer and use the transporter to beam a nuke on the bridge of the Star Destroyer.
Finally, time is on the side of the Enterprise, for unless the bulky star destroyer can ram the enterprise or somehow destroy it before 45 minutes pass, the enterprise crew will discover, design and create a revolutionary and new technology that will destroy the Star Destoyer by the end of the show.
We all know that the Borg would assimilate the entire SW universe if they got there. And species 8472 would destroy that planet destroyer.
of course a standard star destroyer has tie fighters, tie bombers etc.My opinion:
The star destroyer appears to be much larger and armored, it does have shields which tiny fighter weapons appear to be able to penetrate. It seams to possess a vast array of small to medium weapons that appear to have a short range, poor acuracy and many of which are good against smaller vessels. The star destroyer appears to be less manouverable than the enterprise.
The enterprise appears to have better shields able to withstand heavy capital ship weapons and still hold (as Picard drinks his tea with the pinky finger raised/ or Spock raises a brow and says 'fascinating'). The enterprise appears to have fewer but accurate heavy beam weapons (phasers) in addition to capital ship torpedo weapons.
In a battle I imagine the enterprise could in the hands of a competent captain, outmanouver the stardestroyer to attack from the rear where most of the stardestroyers weapons array are unable to reach, and fire a few torpedos in the large engine exhaust to kill the Star Destroyer.
In addition, the Enterprise can shoot a spread of photon torpedos at the star destroyer and use the transporter to beam a nuke on the bridge of the Star Destroyer.
Finally, time is on the side of the Enterprise, for unless the bulky star destroyer can ram the enterprise or somehow destroy it before 45 minutes pass, the enterprise crew will discover, design and create a revolutionary and new technology that will destroy the Star Destoyer by the end of the show.
i don't fancy the chances of any of the star trek crew beaming onto the bridge only to find darth vader staring them in the face. or stormtroopers.
however having played star wars battlefront 2 it is common for one simple clone marine to land a drop ship on deck and start blowing up the ship bit by bit.
but maybe i'm looking into this too much.
haha enterprise is small and fast but it wont last with the star destroyer canon and swarm of clones lol
I admit that a federation ship's fruity crew is very wimpy.however having played star wars battlefront 2 it is common for one simple clone marine to land a drop ship on deck and start blowing up the ship bit by bit.
We are the borg. Existens as you know it is over. Resistens is futile
We wish to negotiate
Negotiation is irrelevant. You wiill lower your shields and be assimilated. Resistence is futile
at which point the death star takes aim.
500 borg cubes comes out of transwarp scan it adept and makes the death stars ray useless against all other cubes exept the one that were destroyed
all hail to death star :-D
death star is dead, borg destroyed it.
Its biological and technological distinctivness will be added to our own
ok then, starwars and star trek combine forces to destroy the borg once and for all.death star is dead, borg destroyed it.
Its biological and technological distinctivness will be added to our own
lol thatll be cool =P
stop the 2 greatest threats joined toghater? hahahaha
The borg is unstoppable. They will assimilate species after species until the entire universe is conquered, once thats done they will begin conquering other universes.
Everyones biological and technological distinctivness will be added to their own
Code:Scan Complete Species: 4812 Humans Advantages: Creative technological development Disadvantages: Emotions, Ilogical, insuffient, none-war race Treat: Insignifican Action: Assimilation Resistence: Total destruction Mission Target Accuired
ohh wow they have finally come to a desicion have they.
bout bloody time.
hehe.
this decision were taking a long time ago
You weren't a fan of Voyager, then? :P Knocking the "unstoppable" Borg around became almost routine on that show!
im fan of voyager, i loved it. but it wasent fair, they used future technology, but borg survived, a few problems but there is allways survivers, when there is borgs able to withstand the assimilation partly there is damn some who survived
sorry doulbe posting
The borg are like a bacteria and a virus, you can destroy them as many times as you want, they allways comes back adepted.
But honestly, i wonder how you would have to do to make a planet explode like species 8472 did
The Empire is clearly ahead in several areas. The SW ships can travel across the galaxy in only a few days, something that would take federation ships decades. If the empire went to war with the federation they could probably win without even having to really fight - just move in to attack a planet, wait for the federation to amass their fleet to fight them, then zip off to another (unguarded) planet and blast/invade/whatever it. By the time the slow-moving federation ships arrive, it will all be over - and the star destroyers will be on to the next planet.
The death star's cannon is a weapon that far surpasses anything ever seen in the Federation in terms of destructive energy, and indicates that the Empire's weapon and power systems are far, far superior. If you do the math on the energy needed to actually blow up a planet it works out to be pretty horrifying.
There is no reason to believe that species 8472 will even fight – they’re a race of cowards (that live in another dimension!) who only attack if someone finds a way to enter their “fluidic subspace” realm and attacks them first.
There is no reason to believe that the borg will be able to adapt to SW weapons simply because they were able to adapt to Federation weapons – you can’t compare the death star’s cannon to a couple of photon torpedoes.
The Empire is clearly ahead in several areas. The SW ships can travel across the galaxy in only a few days, something that would take federation ships decades. If the empire went to war with the federation they could probably win without even having to really fight - just move in to attack a planet, wait for the federation to amass their fleet to fight them, then zip off to another (unguarded) planet and blast/invade/whatever it. By the time the slow-moving federation ships arrive, it will all be over - and the star destroyers will be on to the next planet.The death star's cannon is a weapon that far surpasses anything ever seen in the Federation in terms of destructive energy, and indicates that the Empire's weapon and power systems are far, far superior. If you do the math on the energy needed to actually blow up a planet it works out to be pretty horrifying.There is no reason to believe that species 8472 will even fight – they’re a race of cowards (that live in another dimension!) who only attack if someone finds a way to enter their “fluidic subspace” realm and attacks them first.My enemys enemy is my friendThere is no reason to believe that the borg will be able to adapt to SW weapons simply because they were able to adapt to Federation weapons – you can’t compare the death star’s cannon to a couple of photon torpedoes.They have shield technolgy and transwarp engines far superior to the empie. One blast and borg ships will scan the energy fequens and adept.
I think staw wars is much more efficient cos they have 'light savers' - at least that's what my hearing aid seems to be saying.
Light sabers
Ineffient
Shortrange
Threat: minimal
Conclution: Inferior
Zelos:
Type: ______Theoretical carbon unit.
Model:______Indeterminate
Sex:________not applicable.
Comms:_____Spurious - Binary Coded ASCII
Weaponry:___Audio chasm only.
Threat:______Minus Alpha two zero.
Special:____ _Reacts violently with all known facts.
Treatment:___In event of contact watch thoroughly with a couple of soap operas.
And now Ophiolite appears to have returned (welcome) we can all behave ourselves again!
Billco:
Type: CarboOrganism
Species: 4586 Human
Age: Ancient
Cerebral capacity: Minimal
Cerebral processing: Minimal
Threat: None
Conclution: Irrelevant organism
Action: Disposal
ohh please do me next...
ohh please do me next...
Special Instructions: Avoid contact with rays....
Desegnation: wallaby
Type: CarboOrganism
Species: 4586 Human
Age: Scan Incomplete
Cerebral capacity: Medium
Cerebral processing: High
Threat: Minimal
Conclution: Potensial drone
Action: Assimilation
rays what rays?
woo hoo into the collective i go...
We are one
I am the one who is many. I bring order to chaos
was that me or you that said that? i can't remember
are you sure, it might have been me.
hmm what is this me i keep speaking of?
Are you kidding? SW hyperdrive engines can travel across the galaxy in a few days, making them easily as fast as the borg transwarp engines - but the borg can only use their transwarp engines to travel around their "transwarp network," and can't use transwarp to travel to new places until they build a network there. Outside their network, they don't appear any faster than normal federation ships. The Empire, meanwhile, can fly anywhere it wants.
The borg can't adapt to everything. In Voyager they showed species 8472 carving up borg ships with some kind of orange energy beam that the borg apparently couldn't adapt to. They didn't seem to be able to adapt to the transphasic torpedoes that the federation developed. There is little reason to believe that the borg could adapt to the vastly more advanced weapons of the empire simply because they were able to adapt to federation weapons - especially since we have proof that the borg can't adapt to everything.One blast and borg ships will scan the energy fequens and adept.
transwarp conduits can take you from one side to another in matter of minutesAre you kidding? SW hyperdrive engines can travel across the galaxy in a few days, making them easily as fast as the borg transwarp engines
borg can use transwarp drive without the network but it isnt as fast. at those speeds we talk about your hyperdrivebut the borg can only use their transwarp engines to travel around their "transwarp network," and can't use transwarp to travel to new places until they build a network there
outside they are still faster than federation ships. There is also quantumslipstream that borg have yet to assimilatedOutside their network, they don't appear any faster than normal federation ships. The Empire, meanwhile, can fly anywhere it wants.
its becuase their genetic structure were able to destroy anything that came in their body that didnt belong there. biological, technological, or chemical. But the empire dont posses this kind of technologyThe borg can't adapt to everything. In Voyager they showed species 8472 carving up borg ships with some kind of orange energy beam that the borg apparently couldn't adapt to.
it came from th future, of course they couldnt. its like taking a future weapon back today and see if any country comes up with defenses against it. bet no one will for sometime.They didn't seem to be able to adapt to the transphasic torpedoes that the federation developed.
the empire isnt technologicaly advanced enough. The empire have technology yes, but cant be so powerfull if its defeated by a handfull of jedi jackasses (i havent seen the all the movies so i assume in the last they were beaten like all bad guys) while borg were defeated by future technoly wich wasent fair. wich also is temporaly impossible.There is little reason to believe that the borg could adapt to the vastly more advanced weapons of the empire simply because they were able to adapt to federation weapons - especially since we have proof that the borg can't adapt to everything.
What is your source for this? It's certainly possible that they said this in an episode that I missed, but I don't recall them ever claiming it to be this fast.
Again, what is your source for this? Because in all the episodes/movies where the borg attacked earth, the federation saw them coming and had plenty of time to organize large fleets to fight them. The borg didn't just zip from the edge of federation space to earth in a matter of minutes.borg can use transwarp drive without the network but it isnt as fast. at those speeds we talk about your hyperdrive
But the borg also weren't able to adapt to 8472's beam weapons, even though they were hit by them over and over again. So clearly it's wrong to assume that the borg can adapt to any weapon.its becuase their genetic structure were able to destroy anything that came in their body that didnt belong there. biological, technological, or chemical. But the empire dont posses this kind of technology
Star trek voyager last episodes. the TWC takes them from delta quadrant to aplha quadrant close to earth in matter of minutesWhat is your source for this? It's certainly possible that they said this in an episode that I missed, but I don't recall them ever claiming it to be this fast.
STV 515/516Again, what is your source for this? Because in all the episodes/movies where the borg attacked earth, the federation saw them coming and had plenty of time to organize large fleets to fight them. The borg didn't just zip from the edge of federation space to earth in a matter of minutes.
A transwarp signature is shown some time before they acctualy exit but its not like hours
the more advanced a weapon is the harder is it to adapt. logicly. since species 8472 have a highly advanced biotechnology it is logicly harder for the borg to adapt. and in those attacks it wasent suffient for them to be able to adaptBut the borg also weren't able to adapt to 8472's beam weapons, even though they were hit by them over and over again. So clearly it's wrong to assume that the borg can adapt to any weapon.
September 8th, 2006, 12:28 PM
Could the Borg conque the Empire.
the empires technology isnt advanced enough to pose such a great threat as species 8472 did. The empire may posses a planetary destroyer but borg posses temporal technology and could quikly accuire more advanced temporal technology quite fast.
hmmm how can we destroy the borg?? super cyber virus? o.O
Destruction is irrelevant
Destruction is futile
We are perfect
If one borg survives all borg does
but wat if one borg dies ALL DIES
we are one, but we are many...
we are one. We are many
Even we possess differenses that will make atleast one survive
Yawn BOR(g)ING!
old man
lol -_-"
One word: Transporters.
The only known way to stop a transporter beam is shields. The only ship I recall actually using shield in Starwars is the Deathstar v2 during its construction; the ground based shield emitter.
Starwars:
- Planet-destroyer
- Hyperdrive
- And of course the far superior troops.
- Jedi mind control.
Enterprise could easily take on a deathstar provided the shield station is down (or that lumbering piece of interstellar turd is on the move). The following text has been shamelessly ripped from the starfleet field manual:
Jedi or the clones? Beam them into space for all I care.HOW-TO Destroy your very own deathstar
===============================
1.) Aquire 1 ~ 2 standard issue photon torpedoes (Warheads will do).
2.) Aquire 1 ~ 2 standard spring loaded oven timers.
3.) Wire the oven timers into the detonator circuitry.
4.) Move the ship within transporter range of ze deathstar.
5.) Set the oven timers to 2 min (Quick bake).
6.) Transport the two armed torpedoes into the core of the deathstar.
7.) Prepare one cup of earl grey in the replicator.
7b.) <Instert your favorate Arnold one-liner here>
8.) Enjoy the fireworks.
Hyperdrive? say hello to my tractor beam.
Mind control? James T. Kirk for the win.
A jedi could use the force to turn the beam (transporter or otherwise) on the ship. Also escape detection...and star wars can slice and dice an entire enterprise crew with a single jedi and lightsaber...
:P
Neh,
A powerful Jedi can manipulate matter only on a limited basis. IE: Large pipes and falling concrete blocks. Yoda lifted an Xwing once - so what? There is definite limits (and more importantly range) to this power.
I've yet to see a jedi manipulate energy based weapons or beams (as is the transporter beam) strictly by using "The Force". They're bound by the same physics. Meaning; if you're the jedi, and I'm the captain, you'd be breathing vacuum long before you'd lift a finger against me...
Now... If the starfleet captain is foolish enough to allow a jedi (or sith) to penetrate inside the ship and more importantly allow him to take out the transporters, than yep, game over - I'll give you that. Even a horde of drunk klingons can't stop the woopass that will be forthcoming...
But how do you sopose they'll do that? undetected? Through solid energy shield?
I don't think it can be done.
In the books, Luke Skywalker could manipulate anything from atoms to black holes. 8)
Darth vader showed a perfect example of absorbing energy when he did so to Han's blaster pistol.I've yet to see a jedi manipulate energy based weapons or beams (as is the transporter beam) strictly by using "The Force".
A jedi can hide his appearance, and plus a lightsaber can cut through almost anything. I have my doubts that it wouldn't be able to melt through a shield. Plus, if worst comes to worst, he could just use the force to rip out pieces of the hull.But how do you sopose they'll do that? undetected? Through solid energy shield?
I don't think it can be done.
.. wat ever they say borg will win =D anywey wheres zelos these days?
I've wanted to ask that too.
Borg weakness: The borg *CAN'T* adapt to physical weapons like the klingon battle..whatever it is.
I think he tried to adapt to physical damage :wink:
Poor guy.
You seriously need to watch the SW movies again. Even the X-wings has shields - and everything larger than an x-wing certainly had shields. The only things that were unshielded were some types of small fighters, and even a lot of the fighters had shields.
The hyperdrive alone would be enough to give the Empire a huge advantage. With a hyperdrive you can cross the entire galaxy in a few days, a feat that would take the Federation decades with warp drive. The empire could simply assemble a large fleet near a Federation planet, wait for the Federation to assemble their own fleet to defend the plant, and then zip off to some other plant. They would arrive at the new target in a matter of minutes/hours, and the Federation ships wouldn't get there for days. With the sort of speed advantage it would be impossible to offer any sort of concerted resistance. If you assemble a fleet somewhere, the Empire can simply strike somewhere else before you are able to arrive. Or you could spread your fleet thinly across the entire Federation, with only a few ships to offer a token resistance at each planet - and then you get to see how well one or two ships does against the entire Imperial armada. And yes, the Empire has tractor beams of its own.Hyperdrive? say hello to my tractor beam.
you are forgetting this is "in a galaxy far, far away"
Try sandwich and butter.
Or corn and butter.
Have we drifted into hemarhoid treatments here?
Can it ever become draw without being the same word?
The people on star wars are all stupid pirates. They are 3rd world compared to TNG. Have you have never seen someone REROUTE AUXILIARY POWER TO THE MAIN FOWARD DEFLECTOR COIL while at the same time REPROGRAM THE TACYON EMITTERS FOR A METAPHASIC SHIFT IMPULSE. Anyway I think my point is that you can really tweak those ships out
As far as the borg go, all Picard ever had to do is ask Q a favor (or that guy that killed the.. Nahusnuk I think.. with just a thought... The crew of the Enterprize saved the universe more than a few times. What did Luke Skywalker ever do ?
Has anyone else here ever said "Computer, End Program" when they had a bad moment?
I guess it all depends on what generation you grew up with, that'll be the one you support, to trek fans SW is ridiculous, To wars fans trek is out dated. personally I think Buck Rogers (and his girls) would demolish all of them!. And for my Money, Barbarella reigns supreme forever!
Being the Star Wars biased fanboy I am, STAR WARS ALL THE WAY!!!
There's no such thing as mediclorians but I can sense by the use of the real force that governed the Universe- the "s-force" that you guys are from Southeast Asia.
Andromeda FTW. Starwars are nice but I never liked them that much and Star Trek is just outdated.
Here's a funny video on the matter of Star Wars vs. Star Trek:
Star Wars vs. Star Trek
I vote for Star Wars btw
Yes, and my responce for that is that it was an awesome movie. Might very well be that the voyager would pawn the death star, with the right leverage and the right application of strength. But I wouldn't really know.Here's a funny video on the matter of Star Wars vs. Star Trek:
Star Wars vs. Star Trek
I vote for Star Wars btw
September 12th, 2007, 07:31 AM
definitely star trek because it is all about knowing your universe
Man, reading the posts in this topic was very entertaining. I was laughing so hard some times.
Here my own version of the encounter.
"This is Jaun Luke Piccard of the Star Trek Enterprise, please respond."
(Emperor on screen)
"Hello captain. To what do I owe this pleasure?"
"We understand that you are responsible for the death and oppression of nearly an entire galaxy, and wish to see an end to this bloodshed. These are people, and they deserve to live their lives in peace and freedom, and to the government of themselves if they so see fit. How will you respond?"
"Very persuasive words captain. I agree. I will send a delegate to your ship to represent me so that we may work together an arrangement that best suits us both."
Of course the crew of the Enterprise having no knowledge of the force could not be prepared when an actual Sith is sent on their ship, and the ONLY thing that can stop a sith is a jedi. You might remember at the end of the Return of the Jedi when Emperor Palpatine is thrown into space or where ever he went, but that was only one of the many times he "died." Even the jedi's at the strongest could not erradicate the dark side of the force, and Freedom Nad was still furthering the power of the Sith thousands of years after his entombment.
I think also one of the contrasts about how the stories are done is that Star Trek has mostly been an exploration of the human condition while Star Wars has been an exploration of the transendent. It is more natural for Star Trek to contain "weaknesses" and "flaws of character" because it is more about being human. Star Wars, because it has so much involvement about the transendent, has less flaws, and even contains things that have spiritual and godlike powers.
This from wookieepediea:
It has been calculated that blowing up an Earth-sized planet takes on the order of 10^32 joules of energy; this is roughly the total output of the Earth's sun in a week. More detailed estimates place the violent destruction of Alderaan as requiring 10^38 joules of energy, or roughly one million times that necessary to permanently break apart the planet.
The prototype Death Star destroyed the moon of the planet Kessel. While there was little detailed information about this event, it would have required around 10^29 joules, assuming similar size and composition to Earth's moon.
I enjoyed Star Wars but never cared for Star Trek although I do like the film Forbidden Planet after which Star Trek was patterned.
The enterprise would win, since the star destroyer generally uses laser weapons, which are already established and generally having no affect on the enterprises shields.
We are the borg-You will be assimilated. We will add your biological and technological dist----oooohh! A lightsaber! I want one of those!
Just two words is enough to Star Trek get blow by himself! That two words is : Star Wars! Yoda, Luke,Obi-Wan,Mace Windu, Anakin/Darth Wader (same thing), Han Solo, and his hairy friend, and any ship from star wars will make star trek go from universe! MAY FORCE BE WITH US ALL!!!
Star Wars would send their whole bloody army against the one ship. About 50 red-shirts would die and Kirk would somehow blow up the attack force.
Absolutely not! you have no idea what your talking about! Star trek wins, obviously.
Star Warswas based off of star trek! (watch the documentary from Ugene Roodenberry, George Lucas actually admits it.)
RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE!
It still wouldn't work. if one nano-probe survives then the Borg would regenerate.ok then, starwars and star trek combine forces to destroy the borg once and for all.death star is dead, borg destroyed it.
Its biological and technological distinctivness will be added to our own
Jarhead, you are responding to posts from between 5 and 7 years ago by people who are no longer active on the forum. Are you expecting them to come back and reply to you?
Resistance is futile.
Hey PhDemon, JimColyer is still around
Resistance is... Victory.
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