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  1. #1 Star Trek(2009) 
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    Okay, how many of you have seen it yet? And What did you think?

    My wife and I saw it Thursday evening, and both liked it. We are both fans of the original series and thought it did a good job of balancing between re-booting the franchise and being respectful of the original.

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    I realize that for some, the idea that this "Star Trek" takes place in an "alternate reality" is bothersome, But least this alternate reality was "created" by events that originate in the original time. It also frees up the franchise to explore in new direction without being hamstrung by the "cannon" of the original. This is problem that comes up once the "universe" of a fictional world becomes too big or complicated. It becomes harder and harder to maintain continuity.(I think that "Enterprise" ran afoul of this on many an occasion)

    I also thought that the actors did an exceptional job of catching the essence of the characters (Karl Urban in particular seemed to channel McCoy).


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    I never watched the TV shows, I just remember watching some of the original movies with my parents when I was little. I had a lot of fun watching the new movie. And, I love Simon Pegg! I know the movie will be successful which means they'll be making more of them, and that makes me very happy.


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    I'm going to move this from Site Feedback to Science Fiction... hope nobody minds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkinWalker
    I'm going to move this from Site Feedback to Science Fiction... hope nobody minds.
    That's odd, I thought that I originally posted it in Science Fiction.
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    In my opinion, you could at least try to obey the laws of physics a bit more when you're making film. I mean, they could remove the sound of the space ships when they're moving in space for example.
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    I have to say, I am VERY tempted to read your spoiler Janus. I have always been a huge fan of the franchise and have been disappointed by some of the latest movies. First Contact was brilliant and of course the older ones. JJ Abrahams better have done a good job. I hope they keep the old vibe. He is a very talented guy, but yeah. :?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thyristor
    In my opinion, you could at least try to obey the laws of physics a bit more when you're making film. I mean, they could remove the sound of the space ships when they're moving in space for example.
    Until the general public becomes more educated on that kind of thing movie makers won't attend to those kinds of details. Most people are too accustomed to associating movement with a woosh or a roar; to emphasize the movement of the ship, the movie makers include the sound. *shrugs*
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    Really liked Star Trek. Couple of small bits I wasn't sure about, but overall a great shot in the arm for the old franchise.

    Quote Originally Posted by thyristor
    In my opinion, you could at least try to obey the laws of physics a bit more when you're making film. I mean, they could remove the sound of the space ships when they're moving in space for example.
    They made a point of muting the sound on a couple of occasions to make the point that there's no sound in space in this version of Trek. I think we're to take it that the sounds we hear in the rest of the scenes represent sounds taken from within the involved spacecraft or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thyristor
    In my opinion, you could at least try to obey the laws of physics a bit more when you're making film. I mean, they could remove the sound of the space ships when they're moving in space for example.
    They actually tried that for the original series opening, the part where the Enterprise goes whooshing past. It came out as flat, lifeless and unreal. Unfortunately, we evolved in a world where fast things are expected to make a sound, and when they they don't, the mind tends to reject it.

    Another point. The producers of Star Trek knew that an explosion in space wouldn't rock your ship, but also knew that if you filmed it that way, the scene would lack drama. They had to throw out "good science" in favor of "good film making".
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    Ok, I see what you mean. Still, it would be nice to watch a movie that really obeys the laws of physics.

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    Some other strange things in the movie:


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    1.How can the space ship of future Spock turn so incredibly fast?
    2.Why does it have some sort of huge metal ring that rotates attached to it ?
    3. Why doesn't this metal ring make the ship turn? (It's unbalanced)
    4. Why would Enterprise be pulled towards the Romulan star ship when it turns a black hole? The distance between the centres of mass is the same as before.
    5.Why doesn't the drop of "red matter" form a black hole when it's moving through the atmosphere of the earth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thyristor
    1.How can the space ship of future Spock turn so incredibly fast?
    By using a huge amount of energy, I suppose.

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    2.Why does it have some sort of huge metal ring that rotates attached to it ?
    Probably something to do with preventing the red matter from igniting.

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    3. Why doesn't this metal ring make the ship turn? (It's unbalanced)
    When I saw the film, it looked to me like there was another ring inside the first, moving in the opposite direction.

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    5.Why doesn't the drop of "red matter" form a black hole when it's moving through the atmosphere of the earth?
    It's fired inside a container, is it not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janus
    Another point. The producers of Star Trek knew that an explosion in space wouldn't rock your ship, but also knew that if you filmed it that way, the scene would lack drama. They had to throw out "good science" in favor of "good film making".
    Why wouldn't an explosion in space rock your ship? I assume the damage mechanism would be either matter from the explosion impacting your ship with enough energy to damage things, or electromagnetic energy from the explosion vaporizing off some of your hull material. Either way, I would expect the ship to experience a good lurch as its momentum changes from the impact of matter or explosive vaporization of hull material.

    Anyway, the biggest plot hole in my opinion was that Nero didn't just go warn the Romulus of the past about their impending destruction or attempt to share his advanced technology with them. The Romulans were already a pretty major power in the original timeline. If you add in tech from 150 years in the future, they would probably easily conquer the federation and everyone else. Instead Nero inexplicably just sits around in space doing nothing for 25 years, rather than trying to actually help the planet that he is supposedly motivated to protect.
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    For the most part, this was a GREAT movie. I am a fan of the Original Star Trek, but not a fanatic. I do hope they will make a TV series from this movie. It is exciting to think of the possibilities, as the actors develop the characters from the original team. I wonder about the change in Spock’s character, as that was an intrinsic part of the original series – it really takes something away by not having it. On the other hand, in my opinion, in the original series, the doctor overdid it somewhat on his emotional responses to Spock – this “new” doctor may be able to improve on that. I am disappointed in the relationship that Uhura and Spock have going – it is quite out of character for both people and for the series in general. One aspect of the original, that made is so good, was that the main characters didn’t have a permanent on-going “intimate” relationship with someone, and never had that kind of relationship between themselves. It was the way that the characters related to each other and worked together that made the show such a success. Other points that factored into the success of the original Star Trek is the absence of sexual scenes and the near absence of profanity. I hope that high standard will continue to be upheld. Except for the one minor sex scene, in this new movie they did very well regarding those two aspects. I am impressed and pleased. Three cheers for the ones responsible for that. Please, please don’t get sucked into using profanity, sex, and blood and gore, like most of the movies out there today. Thank you for doing such a good job on this comeback. Good luck with developing it into another fun, exciting series.
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    Adams is just trying to resurrect a cash cow, like the re-imagining of the Batman, Battlestar and Superman franchises. Are all writers just brain dead? I can almost hear the warp speed Cha-Ching!
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    I am disappointed in the relationship that Uhura and Spock have going – it is quite out of character for both people and for the series in general. One aspect of the original, that made is so good, was that the main characters didn’t have a permanent on-going “intimate” relationship with someone, and never had that kind of relationship between themselves.

    I couldn't agree with you more...

    I loved the movie for all that it had, disliked it a little for what it lacked, but overall pretty damn good. We could all pick out flaws about the new movie, but there were a lot of flaws with the series too. Though it won't stop me from being a Trekkie :P or huge Sci-Fi chick...
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    I liked it. Was fun, engaging, had some nice humor and seriousness. Kind of irritating to think a good Star Trek film was made when the Star Wars prequel trilogy blew so very, very, very, very hard.
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    I enjoyed it, though perhaps not as much as previous films. But no, I wasn't impressed with the Spock/Uhura relationship either, that was rather random and unnecessary! I'm no hardcore Trekkie and the original series was a bit before my time, so I can't really comment on what it was like in comparison to the series.
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    So, I have finally been able to watch the movie and: YES!! Star Trek is back! I have always been a huge fan of the franchise, even more so than Star Wars. These guys did a GREAT job! I also didn't like the Spock-Uhuru thingy, but the rest was spot on.

    Now, all I can hope for is that they Actually decide to "explore strange new worlds; to seek out new life and new civilizations; to boldly go where no man has gone before." Common guys, you can do it! I long for a movie that really goes after the weird and wonderful in a sci-fi way properly, to appeal to our inner child, not just another over-explored run-of-the-mill film dressed up in spaceships and spacesuits. There is nothing I remember and desire more from my childhood than the utter awe and overwhelming astonishment I felt while watching a good sci-fi film, reading a good sci-fi book or finding out new fascinating facts about the world and the cosmos. For me, there has simply never been anything close as exhilarating to me.
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    I watched it in the theater three times consecutively. It was a very fun movie.
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    I had to say no. The continuum of the movie (supposed to take place before Star Trek: Original Series chronologically) totally messed up some of my favorite episodes of the original series! For example, Vulcan got destroyed, so that wipes out the episode where Will Shatner and Leonard Nimoy visit his family there in the series. Didn't some of Spok's get destroyed too?

    Also, one thing I most liked about the original series was Kirk's resourceful solutions to his problems. Kirk did nothing clever in the new movie. He just played punching bag to a lot of interstellar terrorists. All in all, the special effects were awesome, but the plot was somewhat lacking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thePenDragon
    I had to say no. The continuum of the movie (supposed to take place before Star Trek: Original Series chronologically) totally messed up some of my favorite episodes of the original series! For example, Vulcan got destroyed, so that wipes out the episode where Will Shatner and Leonard Nimoy visit his family there in the series. Didn't some of Spok's get destroyed too?
    Which means they won't re-do those episodes with a new cast... but why would we want them to anyway? This film hasn't messed up the original series. Or the original continuity. That's all intact. You can always go watch your DVDs and more importantly, the producers could hypothetically go back to making movies and TV shows about the original time line.

    Mind you, I really hope they don't. The TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY continuity got stale sometime into Voyagers second season and never got better. Star Trek needed this. Destroying Vulcan was a brilliant demonstration to the audience that we cannot make any assumptions about what is to come. Now Kirk and co. have an unknown future, just like they used to be when the original series aired during the 60's. Anything could happen. The sense of danger and adventure is back in it.
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    Well said, B. The continuum from past episodes in intact, and the possibilities for new and fresh experiences have been exploded open.
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    It was fun action and good effects, but the story was confusing and made no sense whatsoever. It was one long string of implausible nonsense, plot holes, and inexplicable behavior by the characters. It seemed like the writers outlined what they wanted to happen in the movie, but couldn't be bothered to actually create a coherent plot explaining why any of it was happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee
    It was fun action and good effects, but the story was confusing and made no sense whatsoever. It was one long string of implausible nonsense, plot holes, and inexplicable behavior by the characters. It seemed like the writers outlined what they wanted to happen in the movie, but couldn't be bothered to actually create a coherent plot explaining why any of it was happening.
    Have you watched the original Star Trek and following history? Did you know the timeline was altered? With very few exceptions, I thought it followed the Star Trek universe real well. I also thought it was an excellent movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
    Have you watched the original Star Trek and following history? Did you know the timeline was altered? With very few exceptions, I thought it followed the Star Trek universe real well. I also thought it was an excellent movie.
    My objections don't have anything to do with the timeline etc. The problem was with the internal logic of the movie. Random examples:

    Nero finds himself in the distant past with fabulous advanced technology. Why doesn't he travel to Romulus, the planet he supposedly loves, to give them the technology and warn them about the impending destruction? They could have very easily used his future tech to conquer anyone and everyone before Kirk even grew up.

    Kirk gets made captain for no reason, even though he's just a cadet and there are plenty of actual officers on the ship.

    Spock - a character who has already been established to be ready and willing to die if it serves the greater good - doesn't just use his red matter to destroy Nero's ship and solver everyone's problems when he's being captured by Nero.

    Kirk randomly getting sent down to the same planet within walking distance of Future Spock. Out of the entire planetary surface. Really.

    At the end of the movie, why do they only beam over two people (Kirk and Spock)? Why not every able-bodied security guy on the Enterprise? Plus a bomb as an insurance policy in case the boarding doesn't go well? Yeah, hey, it's only the fate of the entire planet Earth. Let's just send two guys and see how it goes...

    Like I said, things just kept happening because the writers needed them to happen, instead of for any plausible reason.
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    I saw it and I thought they did a great job of updating it and still staying true to the original series. Some changes I did not like, like Spock being more emotional and the focus being more on Sulu and Chekov than McCoy and Spock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee
    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
    Have you watched the original Star Trek and following history? Did you know the timeline was altered? With very few exceptions, I thought it followed the Star Trek universe real well. I also thought it was an excellent movie.
    My objections don't have anything to do with the timeline etc. The problem was with the internal logic of the movie. Random examples...
    Wow...

    OK...

    I guess you don't like 90% or more of the movies out there then. What can I say. It was in the script...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee
    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
    Have you watched the original Star Trek and following history? Did you know the timeline was altered? With very few exceptions, I thought it followed the Star Trek universe real well. I also thought it was an excellent movie.
    My objections don't have anything to do with the timeline etc. The problem was with the internal logic of the movie. Random examples:

    Nero finds himself in the distant past with fabulous advanced technology. Why doesn't he travel to Romulus, the planet he supposedly loves, to give them the technology and warn them about the impending destruction? They could have very easily used his future tech to conquer anyone and everyone before Kirk even grew up.

    Kirk gets made captain for no reason, even though he's just a cadet and there are plenty of actual officers on the ship.

    Spock - a character who has already been established to be ready and willing to die if it serves the greater good - doesn't just use his red matter to destroy Nero's ship and solver everyone's problems when he's being captured by Nero.

    Kirk randomly getting sent down to the same planet within walking distance of Future Spock. Out of the entire planetary surface. Really.

    At the end of the movie, why do they only beam over two people (Kirk and Spock)? Why not every able-bodied security guy on the Enterprise? Plus a bomb as an insurance policy in case the boarding doesn't go well? Yeah, hey, it's only the fate of the entire planet Earth. Let's just send two guys and see how it goes...

    Like I said, things just kept happening because the writers needed them to happen, instead of for any plausible reason.
    That's very Star Trekish of it though, it was always a fairly camp and ridiculous show, and that's why people love it. The away teams were always composed of a couple people, and for some reason always some of the most vital crew members. You just have to take it for what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
    Wow...

    OK...

    I guess you don't like 90% or more of the movies out there then. What can I say. It was in the script...
    I like a lot more than 10% of the movies that I see; because in most movies, most of the stuff that's happening makes at least a little sense. Most movies don't leave me constantly asking "What? Why the heck is that character doing that?" like this movie does.
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