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  1. #1 How would a force field work? 
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    If you could build one how would it work?


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    You'll have to give more details than that. For example, what are you trying to deflect (matter, charged particles, photons)?


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    Quote Originally Posted by rjc79
    If you could build one how would it work?

    If you are trying to stop either a projectile from hitting you. Or trying to push a ship away.

    You would have to create an abundance of electrons on the surface of each object. And then create an equal abundance of electrons in the air, or light gases of space. To repel it. It is a lot of work, and has a lot of dangers attached to it.

    They have actually created a system that is more feasible, by creating a high frequency magnetic field, around a ship, this field electrically equalizes any object in the area. So as a small meteorite approaches, it sends electrical power to the ship, before it strikes it. Draining it of any excess energy, that would cut through the ship.

    Once the two objects are equalized, the meteorite just bounces off the ship. Because there is actually very little kinetic energy despite all the mathematicians that claim otherwise.

    You can see in the movie below, that if you can equalize the electrical cutting action of a bullet, there is no kinetic energy. Grumman Aero Space knew this. That material raises in voltage fast enough to stop a bullet. The material moves with the bullet, because the bullet does not disintegrate the material as it would most other materials even metal.

    http://www.Rockwelder.com/Flash/Forc...OneBullet.html

    In that movie at that range you have to remember that, the gun develops several thousand pounds per square inch, gas pressure. You have to be careful when firing that close to someone. You could take out an eye just with the pressure in the gun.

    I fired a mini-14 Rugger ranch riffle with the 223 round. Full copper metal jacket into a post office safe. It went clean through a thick front wall of steel, two inches of fireproofing material, and then exited a cast iron or cast steel backing plate. Once the bullet had become rounded and hot, the last thin third wall of steel stopped it. After it the last wall of steel moved outward about an inch. No penetration it just moved outward.

    Yet you can stop that round with enough voltage, and a piece of material.





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    rjc79, please disregard Willam's comments. They are non-factual and non-scientific. Are you talking about force fields as one finds in science fiction?
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    William that video didn't demonstrate anything you said it was suppose to. Do you actually watch these videos of your before you post them up?
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    i have become convinced that William McCormick is a fantasist who can make the most outrageous fiction sound as if it were fact - it's easy for the unwary to be taken in by him just because at first glance it all sounds so authoritative and superficially plausible
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
    rjc79, please disregard Willam's comments. They are non-factual and non-scientific. Are you talking about force fields as one finds in science fiction?

    Maybe your guys browsers are sending you to another site?

    In that movie it shows two rounds being fired at woven material. Not light armor, that those rounds can penetrate. The 44 magnum can shoot through a modern car door. And a thick piece of steel, like on a safe. Yet it is stopped by a piece of material that raises in voltage, so the bullet cannot cut through it like the door.

    You can cut that material with a pair of paper scissors. You can stab a knife right through it. But it stops the round.

    There are a couple different parts to that movie, watch them all.

    http://www.Rockwelder.com/Flash/Forc...OneBullet.html


    What do you not believe is true or real? That would be the scientific way to accuse someone of false science.



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    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick
    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
    rjc79, please disregard Willam's comments. They are non-factual and non-scientific. Are you talking about force fields as one finds in science fiction?

    Maybe your guys browsers are sending you to another site?

    In that movie it shows two rounds being fired at woven material. Not light armor, that those rounds can penetrate. The 44 magnum can shoot through a modern car door. And a thick piece of steel, like on a safe. Yet it is stopped by a piece of material that raises in voltage, so the bullet cannot cut through it like the door.

    You can cut that material with a pair of paper scissors. You can stab a knife right through it. But it stops the round.

    There are a couple different parts to that movie, watch them all.

    http://www.Rockwelder.com/Flash/Forc...OneBullet.html


    What do you not believe is true or real? That would be the scientific way to accuse someone of false science.



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    Would you mind demonstrating the effectiveness of that piece of cloth, or any single layer piece of cloth, in stopping a bullet from penetrating a body ? Just kidding -- if you do this you will die.

    That movie shows a thick layered vest underneath a T-shirt. Note that the video is fairly old. It was posted on You Tube in 2006, and noted as being old then. The company that manufactured the armer, Second Chance went bankrupt and was purchased by another company. They had been involved an number of claims involving defective body armor that was purchased by police departments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chance_(body_armor)

    I am not sure that this video really shows a valid test -- I am skeptical that any soft armor will stop a 7.62 mm NATO ball round. The army vests that are designed to stop such a round use a very heavy chest plate.


    My best guess is that the video, like a lot of stuff on You Tube is not what it seems to be. Kids do not try this at home.
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    er sorry, yeah , I meant like the ones in movies, like in independence day, one that can deflect objects. Also if I were to walk up to it, it would be like touching something.
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    as far as i'm aware we don't even have the physics to start thinking about how to create something like that
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjc79
    er sorry, yeah , I meant like the ones in movies, like in independence day, one that can deflect objects. Also if I were to walk up to it, it would be like touching something.
    No one, especially William, has any idea how to create such a thing. It is not just a lack of technology or a lack of resources.
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    We can suspend a frog in a very strong magnetic field and presumably an even bigger one might be used to manipulate non-metallic objects if we could create it. The thing is that we are not even close to being able to create a big enough magnetic field to manipulate anything substantial, not to mention all the other foreseeable problems, like magnetic inductance and such. I love the free use of fields in the Culture novels by Iain M. Banks, but, alas, I don't see it happening.
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    I know how you could make this force feld. What do is this: get a ballon and interject the air as fast as can be. Then, with the travel of speed light. Go away from the ballon as everything else shrink. Hey nonny hey! here is your force fold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRocket
    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick
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    rjc79, please disregard Willam's comments. They are non-factual and non-scientific. Are you talking about force fields as one finds in science fiction?

    Maybe your guys browsers are sending you to another site?

    In that movie it shows two rounds being fired at woven material. Not light armor, that those rounds can penetrate. The 44 magnum can shoot through a modern car door. And a thick piece of steel, like on a safe. Yet it is stopped by a piece of material that raises in voltage, so the bullet cannot cut through it like the door.

    You can cut that material with a pair of paper scissors. You can stab a knife right through it. But it stops the round.

    There are a couple different parts to that movie, watch them all.

    http://www.Rockwelder.com/Flash/Forc...OneBullet.html


    What do you not believe is true or real? That would be the scientific way to accuse someone of false science.



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    Would you mind demonstrating the effectiveness of that piece of cloth, or any single layer piece of cloth, in stopping a bullet from penetrating a body ? Just kidding -- if you do this you will die.

    That movie shows a thick layered vest underneath a T-shirt. Note that the video is fairly old. It was posted on You Tube in 2006, and noted as being old then. The company that manufactured the armer, Second Chance went bankrupt and was purchased by another company. They had been involved an number of claims involving defective body armor that was purchased by police departments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chance_(body_armor)

    I am not sure that this video really shows a valid test -- I am skeptical that any soft armor will stop a 7.62 mm NATO ball round. The army vests that are designed to stop such a round use a very heavy chest plate.


    My best guess is that the video, like a lot of stuff on You Tube is not what it seems to be. Kids do not try this at home.
    I believe I have some of that material around. I will see if I can make a test And film it.

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    Seems interesting though. Who is this William?
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    This is a wonderful and interesting topic. But it would be better served in the appropriate subforum.

    Topic moved.
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    I don't know about force fields. But I tell you one thing. If you make one, and use it to defend your evil empire, don't make the same mistake that they make in virtually every SF movie ever made. Put the controls and the force field generator inside the force field.
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