Thread: A new study shows that Islam is the truth

This study was done by western and non muslim psychologists: Jose Manoel and Alexander Fleischmann the study title is:

A Golbal Perspective in the Epdemiology of Suicide

see this figure to know how Islam is Great !!!!!!!!




As you see the highest rates are in Atheist althogh they think that life without any religion will be better so why did they commit suicide?????

That is really funny

to make sure here is the link of the study:
http://www.med.uio.no/iasp/files/papers/Bertolote.pdf

And here is another study
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/...ct/161/12/2303


Everything around you tell you that Islam is the truth please try to discover the truth. just give yourself a try you have nothing to lose.

you might want to stop trying to categorize people.

we art one.

Oh no! A completely bullshit set of statistics has just destroyed all my beliefs!

*slits wrists*

Atheist don't choose to be atheist because they think life will be better without religion, many just don't believe o.O.

I don't see how this shows Islam is better either lol. It is just a matter of moral objection to suicide, if a person is not opposed to suicide they are more likely to commit it.

So I should become Muslim because I'll be less likely to commit suicide? And what if I don't want to commit suicide? Just more of the same…. Give it a rest man.

Um... what about suicide bombers?

Originally Posted by serpicojr

Um... what about suicide bombers?

The study counted them you can see above very small column.

Yes cause as well all know Muslim nations report honestly on all international statistics, just like Iran's conspicuous lack of homosexuals.

Originally Posted by i_feel_tiredsleepy

Yes cause as well all know Muslim nations report honestly on all international statistics, just like Iran's conspicuous lack of homosexuals.

No man these Physcologists will not waste thier time with fake statistics as you say. they are well known psychologists and if they know that you are swearing them like this I think they will bring you to the court.

Here are thier photos:

Ah, it's this time of year again

Why is atheism counted in these studies? Atheism isn't a religion

And also, I have significant doubts about these statistic. Atheism being highest in suicide rates? Yeah, right.

To quote the source given:

Originally Posted by Source

With regards to gender, the suicide rates according to the prevailing religion in countries are generally...

According to the prevailing religion in countries? What kind of a bogus way is this to represent the statistics? Given that Japan is mostly an atheist country with high suicide rate, if you search for the cause for the suicides you're most likely going to find out that they're religious (cults etc).

It is clear that these statistics are not to be trusted. I would call these manipulated statistic at best.

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

Everything around you tell you that Islam is the truth please try to discover the truth.

That must be the weirdes thing I've ever heard. Islam is as far away from truth as seemingly possible.

Their figures are based completely on those submitted by the member states of the UN to the WHO, they even say in the paper that the numbers could be higher and could be misleading. It is very easy to understand how in a theocracy people would cover up suicide much more readily than in a liberal democracy. Moreover, suicide rates correlate with living on islands and with higher standard of living (also from their report). The difference with relation to religion is solely based on the fact that religious people are less likely to commit suicide because they think it is wrong, and the figures from the Middle East are more than likely not representative.

Originally Posted by Obviously

Ah, it's this time of year again

Why is atheism counted in these studies? Atheism isn't a religion

And also, I have significant doubts about these statistic. Atheism being highest in suicide rates? Yeah, right.

To quote the source given:

Originally Posted by Source

With regards to gender, the suicide rates according to the prevailing religion in countries are generally...

According to the prevailing religion in countries? What kind of a bogus way is this to represent the statistics? Given that Japan is mostly an atheist country with high suicide rate, if you search for the cause for the suicides you're most likely going to find out that they're religious (cults etc).

It is clear that these statistics are not to be trusted. I would call these manipulated statistic at best.

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

Everything around you tell you that Islam is the truth please try to discover the truth.

That must be the weirdes thing I've ever heard. Islam is as far away from truth as seemingly possible.

So here is another member trying to swear these well-known psychologists. Sorry my Friend I will try to contact them and tell them how you are swearing them here and they will bring you to the court.

Since when is disagreeing with WHO officials illegal? Rofl I love you.

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

So here is another member trying to swear these well-known psychologists. Sorry my Friend I will try to contact them and tell them how you are swearing them here and they will bring you to the court.

I'll be most obliged.

i'd say the graph you show is pretty meaningless, seeing that China is counted as an atheist country, and since their numbers will swamp most other countries, this doesn't say anything at all about western european suicides (which are actually more likely to be classified as christian)

so overall, the statistics may not be fake, but they're pretty meaningless
also the authors raise 2 possible objections in their first few paragraphs :
1. Whenever figures on suicide are presented or discussed there is always the question of their reliability
2. Another question that is frequently raised refers to the comparability of data across countries
without really putting the doubts over reliability to bed

finally, how do you tie this study on suicide rates in with the title of this thread that islam is truth ? there's a non-sequitur if ever i saw one

Although some (minor) health effects have been found on religion, there remain methodological objections that might demonstrate no real effect exists.

What is most salient is that many of the effects attributed to religion seem to be more due to the 'religious community,' and the ability to seek counsel with a priest than the real religiosity - the effect of the religion itself.

Religiosity itself is a rather bad predictor, as a far better correlate with minor health benefits are certain personality traits (like Eysenk's neuroticism and psychoticism). Others suggest that it is the organisations of one's personality, and the role that religion plays a role in this predicts these health benefits.

What is clear, however, is that the health beneficts do not exist for all religious practitioners, only a specific group and that the other part of the group is generally worse off than non-believers.

In the mean while, the therapeutic effect of new religions that is sometimes reported does exist in the data, but is also related to personality. It seems specific religions (like that of Krisha's) are selective to certain traits.

As for these benefits themselves - there is no reason to believe that they are 'best' amongst any one religion and those figures are highly suspect.

Originally Posted by HomoUniversalis

Although some (minor) health effects have been found on religion, there remain methodological objections that might demonstrate no real effect exists.

What is most salient is that many of the effects attributed to religion seem to be more due to the 'religious community,' and the ability to seek counsel with a priest than the real religiosity - the effect of the religion itself.

Religiosity itself is a rather bad predictor, as a far better correlate with minor health benefits are certain personality traits (like Eysenk's neuroticism and psychoticism). Others suggest that it is the organisations of one's personality, and the role that religion plays a role in this predicts these health benefits.

What is clear, however, is that the health beneficts do not exist for all religious practitioners, only a specific group and that the other part of the group is generally worse off than non-believers.

In the mean while, the therapeutic effect of new religions that is sometimes reported does exist in the data, but is also related to personality. It seems specific religions (like that of Krisha's) are selective to certain traits.

As for these benefits themselves - there is no reason to believe that they are 'best' amongst any one religion and those figures from the first post are highly suspect.

If you think for a moment Muslims are going to reveal the truth about their suicides, you're gravely mistaken.

http://americaninfidelthinks.blogspo...lying-for.html

So some crock took different years for each religion and pasted them together to form some sort of graph to make the muslim religion look good and you take it as it meaning muslim beliefs are true and every other relgion is false?

Are agnostics also included in the athiest category? Why not take the all statistics from one year rather than spacing the years out by 10 or 15? I find it absolutely hillarious that anyone would find this study truthful in any sense of the word.

Putting aside the question of whether these statistics are reliable, one of the things that I notice right away, is that the statistics suggest that men "need" religion far more than do women, because it is only the figures for men that suggest that atheists are far more likely to commit suicide.

Originally Posted by Obviously

According to the prevailing religion in countries? What kind of a bogus way is this to represent the statistics?

That is indeed a good point and this suggest that the differences noticed here probably vanish when just comparing the statistics for different relgions within a particular society which of course means that cause for these differences (if they are real) are more likely to be found in the social and cultural differences between countries.

On the other hand, I do think I would investigate to see if there is a reason why friends and family in a Islamic country might pretend that a suicide is just an accident.

Originally Posted by Obviously

According to the prevailing religion in countries? What kind of a bogus way is this to represent the statistics? Given that Japan is mostly an atheist country with high suicide rate, if you search for the cause for the suicides you're most likely going to find out that they're religious (cults etc).

But if you look at the paper you will find that Japan is counted as Buddhist. Which of course explains why the Buddhist figures are so much higher than you would otherwise expect.

Originally Posted by Obviously

Atheism being highest in suicide rates?

Sure why not? Clearly there is a correlation between stress and suicide, but don't you think that the stress of facing the cold hard facts of reality is going to take its toll? LOL We religious have our fantasies and delusions to gives us some reason to feel good and happy even when life sucks, don't you think? Hee hee.

Originally Posted by Obviously

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

Everything around you tell you that Islam is the truth please try to discover the truth.

That must be the weirdes thing I've ever heard. Islam is as far away from truth as seemingly possible.

Hmmmm.... Perhaps so but if it is not simply the prohibition against suicide as the paper suggests, then perhaps there is a stress related health benefit to praying five times a day.

On the other hand, we can also note that certain types of lobotomies would also be effective in preventing suicide. So where do we sign up?
LOL

The topic is misleading. I suggest that it should be
Islam rather kill other people than kill themselves.

So you are trying to make the effort of these big well known Psychologists useless although they were trying to give the facts and only facts. I don't know how will be thier response but I think they have the right to bring all members who swear them here to the court.

For myself in Egypt it is very rare when I see a suicide in journals or in the news. you can say almost 2 cases a year as I remember.

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

So you are trying to make the effort of these big well known Psychologists useless although they were trying to give the facts and only facts. I don't know how will be thier response but I think they have the right to bring all members who swear them here to the court.

Yes, what right have we to speak our mind, we should clearly be punished for such violent acts.

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

For myself in Egypt it is very rare when I see a suicide in journals or in the news. you can say almost 2 cases a year as I remember.

Now isn't that peculiar. I live in the United States and I don't ever recall seeing a suicide in journals or in the news. Do you think maybe this means that the statistics are wrong?

Atheists, agnostic, believers, none of you can't leave each other to each others existence can you?

Originally Posted by 425 Chaotic Requisition

Atheists, agnostic, believers, none of you can't leave each other to each others existence can you?

Yeah, let's just ignore misrepresentation, faulty facts and the like. Ignorance is bliss, right?

Discussion is harmless. Maybe we're wasting time, maybe not. However, it's important to point out flaws and to recognize those flaws. In a way, we're all working together.

Profahmfaw, your argument seems to be that the lower the suicide rates, the higher the happiness of people in a country. So Islam makes people happy and is therefore 'true'?

There's an alternative explanation as well: most religions frown upon suicide or even threaten with hell and damnation if someone commits suicide. This may frighten people to abstain from suicide, while leaving them as unhappy as they were.

So let's look at happiness more directly. Ofcourse it's hard to measure (the word may have different meanings to different people), but it's probably not a worse indicator than the suicide rate.

This map is the result of over 100 different studies around the world, which questioned 80,000 people worldwide, again those numbers don't have to say much (if you ask 80,000 people an unclear question then even a massive poll will give a biased result) but it's not just one person's opinion :wink:

The Islamic world has both very high and very low scores, suggesting that the common denominator (Islam) doesn't explain the level of happiness. And some of the most strongly atheist countries in the world (the Skandinavian countries, the Netherlands) have some of the highest scores (they're all in the top 19, that's the 10% highest scores of the world).

Originally Posted by Obviously

Originally Posted by 425 Chaotic Requisition

Atheists, agnostic, believers, none of you can't leave each other to each others existence can you?

Yeah, let's just ignore misrepresentation, faulty facts and the like. Ignorance is bliss, right?

Discussion is harmless. Maybe we're wasting time, maybe not. However, it's important to point out flaws and to recognize those flaws. In a way, we're all working together.

No your not working together your bashing each others beliefs. Not once have I ever seen compromise on this forum. Ignorance is bliss. I've tried to get other people like you to understand my point of view and you never listen, as a result what makes you think people are going to listen to you?

Chaotic, I'm sorry but your post is offtopic here. Ofcourse it's good to realize that there's more in life than fighting eachother's ideas, but you can't say that in every thread. If people want to argue about it then let them argue.

Originally Posted by Pendragon

If people want to argue about it then let them argue.

Oh yeah. People on this forum must be rubbing off on me.

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

Please don't look to muslims and what they doing but look to ISLAM.

Don't do as I do, do as I say.

Originally Posted by (Q)

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

Please don't look to muslims and what they doing but look to ISLAM.

Don't do as I do, do as I say.

thanks for the compliment Q

Originally Posted by Pendragon

Profahmfaw, your argument seems to be that the lower the suicide rates, the higher the happiness of people in a country. So Islam makes people happy and is therefore 'true'?

There's an alternative explanation as well: most religions frown upon suicide or even threaten with hell and damnation if someone commits suicide. This may frighten people to abstain from suicide, while leaving them as unhappy as they were.

So let's look at happiness more directly. Ofcourse it's hard to measure (the word may have different meanings to different people), but it's probably not a worse indicator than the suicide rate.

This map is the result of over 100 different studies around the world, which questioned 80,000 people worldwide, again those numbers don't have to say much (if you ask 80,000 people an unclear question then even a massive poll will give a biased result) but it's not just one person's opinion :wink:

The Islamic world has both very high and very low scores, suggesting that the common denominator (Islam) doesn't explain the level of happiness. And some of the most strongly atheist countries in the world (the Skandinavian countries, the Netherlands) have some of the highest scores (they're all in the top 19, that's the 10% highest scores of the world).

My dear Friend maybe you are right of course there are some people who live hard times but actually they do not fear from just the punishment but also all muslims believe that this life is not important because the other life is the most important for us so they face it strongly. Muslim here thanks Allah even if he lost all his family, all his money and even his health.

We can't deny that Islam conserved the lives of muslims on the other hand look to the people who will vanish soon from the earth because they do not respect marriage. Others prefer to be a gay or lesbian.

That is funny you are destorying yourselves.

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

on the other hand look to the people who will vanish soon from the earth because they do not respect marriage. Others prefer to be a gay or lesbian.

That is funny you are destorying yourselves.

What is that supposed to mean?

to destory (verb) : to disbelieve stories that you were told when you were little - a mark of growing up

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

We can't deny that Islam conserved the lives of muslims on the other hand look to the people who will vanish soon from the earth because they do not respect marriage. Others prefer to be a gay or lesbian.

That is funny you are destorying yourselves.

I suppose it will be quite a trick when I suddenly disappear.

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

Originally Posted by (Q)

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

Please don't look to muslims and what they doing but look to ISLAM.

Don't do as I do, do as I say.

thanks for the compliment Q

I wasn't complimenting you, but instead was pointing out the hypocrisy of your statement.

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

Originally Posted by Pendragon

Profahmfaw, your argument seems to be that the lower the suicide rates, the higher the happiness of people in a country. So Islam makes people happy and is therefore 'true'?

There's an alternative explanation as well: most religions frown upon suicide or even threaten with hell and damnation if someone commits suicide. This may frighten people to abstain from suicide, while leaving them as unhappy as they were.

So let's look at happiness more directly. Ofcourse it's hard to measure (the word may have different meanings to different people), but it's probably not a worse indicator than the suicide rate.

This map is the result of over 100 different studies around the world, which questioned 80,000 people worldwide, again those numbers don't have to say much (if you ask 80,000 people an unclear question then even a massive poll will give a biased result) but it's not just one person's opinion :wink:

The Islamic world has both very high and very low scores, suggesting that the common denominator (Islam) doesn't explain the level of happiness. And some of the most strongly atheist countries in the world (the Skandinavian countries, the Netherlands) have some of the highest scores (they're all in the top 19, that's the 10% highest scores of the world).

My dear Friend maybe you are right of course there are some people who live hard times but actually they do not fear from just the punishment but also all muslims believe that this life is not important because the other life is the most important for us so they face it strongly. Muslim here thanks Allah even if he lost all his family, all his money and even his health.

We can't deny that Islam conserved the lives of muslims on the other hand look to the people who will vanish soon from the earth because they do not respect marriage. Others prefer to be a gay or lesbian.

That is funny you are destorying yourselves.

Should I then interpret your argument as "a religion is 'the truth' if it conserves the people"? Islam seems to keep the suicide rate low and the birth rate high, so in that sense it keeps population numbers up or 'conserves the people'. But what I don't understand is how this makes Islam 'truth'.

Perhaps we have a different priority or goal. Most Westerners would agree that a system or ideology that causes the highest percentage of people to be happy is 'right' or 'something to aim for'. The emphasis is not on the quantity of the population (high population growth), but the quality (high scores on happiness indicators, high per capita GDP instead of high total GDP). If total GDP rises and population stagnates or declines then that's great news, it means that people are becoming more wealthy.

A question: if you had to chose from these 2 options, which would be more 'right' or 'a better goal'?
1: A mother gets 10 children, each live in poverty
2: A mother gets 1 child who lives in great wealth

Perhaps we have a different priority or goal. Most Westerners would agree that a system or ideology that causes the highest percentage of people to be happy is 'right' or 'something to aim for'. The emphasis is not on the quantity of the population (high population growth), but the quality (high scores on happiness indicators, high per capita GDP instead of high total GDP). If total GDP rises and population stagnates or declines then that's great news, it means that people are becoming more wealthy.

The population is too Important for any civilization if the goverments knew how to make the best use of it look at China for example which is 1.3 Miliar. The population considers the fuel of progress.

I know that there are many muslim states still developing but there are many reasons for that the most important reason that they took indepdence almost 50 years ago from this stupid English and french occupation after world war one. but know that will not last forever because the history tell us that all nations sometimes low sometimes high in progress so we have the next turn man :-D because your turn is finsished.


Islam is not an Idiology man it is a religion. Not like all other religions it is like the moon light in the darkness. Islam protect us and teach us how to be obliged, how to be loyal to your parents, how to treat all people well, how to be open minded and think about this universe, how to be great, how to lead all nations with mercy and love. I know that many muslims do not apply that percisly but the new generations will be better than us.


Did you hear about Utopia? Islam teach us how to make it in simple easy steps in this life and in the other life after death

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

Islam is not an Idiology man it is a religion. Not like all other religions it is like the moon light in the darkness. Islam protect us and teach us how to be obliged, how to be loyal to your parents, how to treat all people well, how to be open minded and think about this universe, how to be great, how to lead all nations with mercy and love.

That's the typical rhetoric all religions spout. Yet, when the belief in the supernatural is removed, the bottom line is that Abrahamism is about tribalism, oppression and misogyny. It is the militaristic ideology of Islam that makes it unaccountable and justifiable to its users as it attempts to conquer the world.

The sugar-coated picture of Islam you would paint is merely a facade regurgitated from propaganda.

I know that many muslims do not apply that percisly but the new generations will be better than us.

Sorry pal, you've had 14 centuries to get it right. Times up.

Did you hear about Utopia? Islam teach us how to make it in simple easy steps in this life and in the other life after death

Rubbish.

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

This study was done by western and non muslim psychologists: Jose Manoel and Alexander Fleischmann the study title is:

A Golbal Perspective in the Epdemiology of Suicide

see this figure to know how Islam is Great !!!!!!!!




As you see the highest rates are in Atheist althogh they think that life without any religion will be better so why did they commit suicide?????

That is really funny

to make sure here is the link of the study:
http://www.med.uio.no/iasp/files/papers/Bertolote.pdf

And here is another study
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/...ct/161/12/2303


Everything around you tell you that Islam is the truth please try to discover the truth. just give yourself a try you have nothing to lose.

I am a late comer here to give my opinion on this issue.

My GOD is Nature as my greatest teacher.
In Nature, there are NO suicides.
They also live under the most harshest of conditions.

In Islam, their warriors are the most cowardly of all since they wear no uniforms and blend in with the population to remain as anonymous as possible.
Also, since most get their wealth from hell down below, they generally do not have to worry about how they will survive.

Also, that religion is a copy of Judaism. What is the rate for that religion?
And did those rates for Islam include all those 'people bombs'?

Cosmo

Originally Posted by dimethyltryptamine

you might want to stop trying to categorize people.

we art one.

:O you stole my avatar!

We can't deny that Islam conserved the lives of muslims on the other hand look to the people who will vanish soon from the earth because they do not respect marriage. Others prefer to be a gay or lesbian

In Islamic countries those people do not vanish because they disrespect marriage. It's becaused they're stoned to death, drowned, decapitated and hanged for even minor offenses.

So much flaming.

But this

Originally Posted by Pendragon

A question: if you had to chose from these 2 options, which would be more 'right' or 'a better goal'?
1: A mother gets 10 children, each live in poverty
2: A mother gets 1 child who lives in great wealth

we should all consider. Try to understand mother #1, then #2. This I think is the crucial divide between developed and developing nations. How can any human being despise either set of values?

Originally Posted by Pong

So much flaming.

But this

Originally Posted by Pendragon

A question: if you had to chose from these 2 options, which would be more 'right' or 'a better goal'?
1: A mother gets 10 children, each live in poverty
2: A mother gets 1 child who lives in great wealth

we should all consider. Try to understand mother #1, then #2. This I think is the crucial divide between developed and developing nations. How can any human being despise either set of values?

The first is selfish and irresponsible and increases suffering in the world.

In a perfect world population growth wouldn't be out of control.

Originally Posted by Pong

So much flaming.

But this

Originally Posted by Pendragon

A question: if you had to chose from these 2 options, which would be more 'right' or 'a better goal'?
1: A mother gets 10 children, each live in poverty
2: A mother gets 1 child who lives in great wealth

we should all consider. Try to understand mother #1, then #2. This I think is the crucial divide between developed and developing nations. How can any human being despise either set of values?

With some effort I can have some understanding for mother 1, but I wouldn't approve of her choice. As an individual choice it may not seem immoral, but if an entire people makes this choice then the total result is overpopulation and great poverty (and land degradation, water scarcity, etc a downward spiral of poverty).
But I do find it hard to tell the 10th child "society would be better off if you weren't born". We all want a chance to live. Maybe that's what the mother is thinking: "if I have only 1 child then a lot of children who could've been born miss out on their chance to live".

My point with the question is that I don't understad how a religion that encourages option 1 is necessarily good or true. Sure it 'conserves' the population number, but why is that 'good' by itself?

Belief in a Creator is great, but following religion is blind, Islam or not religion followers tend to be more close minded.

They are so closed minded about suicide! :x I'll show them...

Have they done any studies on the success rate in converting people to religion in SCIENTIFIC forums? Please if you wish to find new followers, focus your energies on the ignorant and naive. I suggest any commercial tv forum, they are pretty much all brain dead and you are bound to convert a lot more.

Originally Posted by GrowlingDog

Have they done any studies on the success rate in converting people to religion in SCIENTIFIC forums? Please if you wish to find new followers, focus your energies on the ignorant and naive. I suggest any commercial tv forum, they are pretty much all brain dead and you are bound to convert a lot more.

My dear friend Islam will dominate this earth with or without your will. It is a fact my dear just read the newspapers and you will see youself. I will show you some of thousands of videos in youtube.com which show many people convert to Islam everyday. Some ignorants will say ok there are also many videos for people who left Islam but actually they are not so many like people who convert To Islam. Why always the best people convert to Islam here are some:

Mohamed Ali the famous american Boxer.
Cat Stevens the famous English singer
Michael Jackson the famous american singer and his brother.
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Michael Wolfe (Born 3 April 1945, United States) is a poet, author, and the President and Executive Producer of Unity Productions Foundation.

why a liberal woman leave Bikini and wear Islamic Nikab?----->
http://www.55a.net/firas/english/?pa...select_page=71


and here are the videos from everywhere Holland - Australia- Germany- UK- North America - Japan- South America .....



NBC NEWS : 20000 americans Convert To ISLAM Each Year!
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/2PS2creVhaM


Yusuf Estes - Priests and Preachers accepting Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/E6K0627FiCk


Many Latinos Convert Daily To ISLAM .. Live From Venezuela!
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/1XyrxzQIN9w


Every day many Germans convert to ISLAM :
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/34kjurzK500


Holland TV:ISLAM fastest spreading Faith among Youth Germans
www.youtube.com/watch/v/WAXXN6XOnzQ


Thousands of Danish convert to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/kru6XQ8CT48


TV Report Thousands Hispanics Converting To ISLAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/yDwGsmTx3D4


German Scientist & his wife,clinic assistant convert 2 islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/uP-2IqH_l4c


European Scientist converts to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/0IspK651RpY


Dr. Ian Weber from England converts to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/gUZR6XwU8Pw


science students turn to islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/y3_JYk4Bo4Y


TV_ReportChristians Convert To ISLAM in France
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/Dhu0eEuIsGg


Turning Muslim in Texas - People reverting to Islam in Texas
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...46116459496814


Angela Collins - Muslim Convert weeks after 9/11 Incident
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/j6PJgJdEzNM

NEW MUSLIM Woman from austrailia CONVERT :
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/-baqULx5IBU


The Choice - A Story of New American Muslim Convert
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/CML3CRPMefA

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Irish and "loving Islam" Convert to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/dIc5oFAva-4


Jewish To Islam convert
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/KcBiJnLjwVw


www.youtube.com/watch/v/IlOuITPE6kE
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/1qpQvpmEqkc

Why do they accept the Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/aJ3TGAnFc-U


135 Convert to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/36Glj_FAGcw


Convert to Islam from Canada
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/uKPer2fma9U


Revert to Islam - Brian From Christianity (Convert to Islam) ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/bI_YVnD9UvI

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Many Jew and Christian Families Convert To ISLAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/84ZtVLI5kXM


British Catholic Priest Converted To ISLAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/pn0iPlWQNlI


Greece Men Convert to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/IlAjkuECrHc


Convert to Islam from Hinduism
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/zePqNxz895U


Christian Convert to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/HDkW2Y35mKQ


Twenty two/22 Brothers and sisters convert to (Islam) ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/XQBn6loQTdY


Two british Women of different colours convert to Islam
www.youtube.com/watch/v/uEfMcPQfv7w


German convert to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/9U1zNXXQA6Q


Three French Sisters Convert To ISLAM :
www.youtube.com/watch/v/JiksSo0lwL4


Sister Yvonne Ridley Becomes Muslim Islam Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/aOe5s5hP4Gw


WHY Christians German Lady convert to ISLAM, SEE VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/afFv22Wsd5A


Germany Convert To ISLAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/os4vUxfJizU


Jerome - How I wrestled my way to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/b2YZGGDGUWE


The story of a German convert to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/gjRjzTAk-RQ


Revert to Islam - Abdus Salam (Convert to Islam) ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/VqlilLIQJRE


Revert to Islam - Maryam Noor (Convert From Christianity) ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ig0N9aRT0Hc


Germans convert to Islam on german TV
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/nFqj3xPKc88


TV Report Rechtsanwalt konvertiert zum ISLAM :
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/_4LrIv6kK9o


JoleneA Southern Baptist Converts to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/RHQOx12-WJU


Revert to Islam - Muahmmad Musab (Convert From Christianity) ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/Co0xom_KcXM


Revert to Islam - Yusuf Ali (Convert to Islam) ... :
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/NcjXK7qzE_k


How Melina came to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/jLht7Kk0bGg


Revert to Islam - Abdullah Laban (Convert to Islam) ... :
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/gGeHzUkkJH4


TV Report Latinos Leaving The Church And Turning To ISLAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/j2w14xxi0bM


William Chappelle and 25 members of his family embrace Islam :
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/mkBW4l4TmPE


Islam In Netherlands
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...97847671713770


6 German convert to Islam - 2007 - LIVE
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/0SpqpGKp7ts


Caroline convert from christianity to islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/2Cpmvne2wj0


Japanese Women Turning To ISLAM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/L7PIOhK-SgA


American converted Muslim Woman speaking about the Veil
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/L85Mcq3EDX8


Dia Richardson converted to Islam in USA :
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/Tp097NNj3Pk


German christ convert to ISLAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/UTyu18RgrAo


New Muslim Lady .. Live from London
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/NTlta20vsow


Dutch Women Turning To ISLAM in Holland
www.youtube.com/watch/v/UyyxPO0HFLk


New Sister From South Germany
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/EkBRKrUDnEU


How to Convert to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/i9K7lmYaucU


4 New Muslims from 4 Corners of the World
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...59428535210219


Jenny - How I came to Islam
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40716668905509


Cat Stevens becomes Yusuf Islam
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...65900354777626


Islam Youngest Muslim Reverts in The World- in England
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...31311255429137


Why Abdul Raheem Green Came to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/wF8joJaOVJw


Robert converts to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/vU5HGHiNUu0


Islam Best and inspirational Revert Story
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40414685693208


Revert to Islam - Sister Crystal (Convert From Christianity) ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/IZF9stLSYjY


Spanish Woman talks about Woman rights in Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/exdCJ_wT9E4

This is such bullshit!

First of all you give us some very crappy exampels of people who converted to islam, they are all with african origins, offcourse(well not offcourse, but its very likely) they will want some day to get get back in touch with their roots.

Secondly, why the f*ck do you think that we care that some people converted to islam?! do you think that in our mind we say "So many important people converted to islam, well if it`s so then give me a sec to ditch all my faiths and convert to islam cos a bunch of jackasses that some guy on a scientific forum shown me ACTUALLY converted to islam, wow!"

Man... you are trying to sell here here a religion that has been going on for thousands of years, many many many people died for it and because of it like its frickin` tapperware! jeez!

Note that I dont hate any islamic people, but currently worldwidely there are many major groups of jackass islamic people going from buss to buss exploding to pieces cos of some stupid belief of theirs that ALL who are not islamic must die.
I`m sorry my friend but thats not what religion is about.

I sincerely sugges that you go back and re-read(or read for the first time...? ) the koran and learn its main principals. Then you may continue if you want your preaching around here(which i hardly resent) and people will continue telling you how wrong you are...
Peaple nowadays are not so stupid, you can live with it or continue stumbling... its all up to you.

Cheers,
tony

KA'BAM!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1BEErB8cdA

Aye aye, atheist/agnostics are indeed many, but note that our world is not fixed and it is bound to change numerous times over our future history :-D

Originally Posted by Hanuka

This is such bullshit!

First of all you give us some very crappy exampels of people who converted to islam, they are all with african origins, offcourse(well not offcourse, but its very likely) they will want some day to get get back in touch with their roots.

Secondly, why the f*ck do you think that we care that some people converted to islam?! do you think that in our mind we say "So many important people converted to islam, well if it`s so then give me a sec to ditch all my faiths and convert to islam cos a bunch of jackasses that some guy on a scientific forum shown me ACTUALLY converted to islam, wow!"

Man... you are trying to sell here here a religion that has been going on for thousands of years, many many many people died for it and because of it like its frickin` tapperware! jeez!

Note that I dont hate any islamic people, but currently worldwidely there are many major groups of jackass islamic people going from buss to buss exploding to pieces cos of some stupid belief of theirs that ALL who are not islamic must die.
I`m sorry my friend but thats not what religion is about.

I sincerely sugges that you go back and re-read(or read for the first time...? ) the koran and learn its main principals. Then you may continue if you want your preaching around here(which i hardly resent) and people will continue telling you how wrong you are...
Peaple nowadays are not so stupid, you can live with it or continue stumbling... its all up to you.

Cheers,
tony

let me ask you a simple questions:

How did you know about Islam?

did you read any islamic book before?

you are just listening to this brainwashing from media and just shout without thinking.

As I said it is your choice and Islam will not be better with someone like you.


about the video from our fellow it is really funny with this stupid hard rock music. The secertary of thje state said: Islam is the most widely spread religion in the world and here is a guy who does not have any proof say another thing.

Oh my God you say that Roza is Liar HAAAAAAAA the secretary of the state is liar. I do not know what will the FBI do to this site when they know that.

Originally Posted by Hanuka

Aye aye, atheist/agnostics are indeed many, but note that our world is not fixed and it is bound to change numerous times over our future history :-D

didn't you read the study???

They commit suicide these days :-D maybe because they feel insane without a religion and this also will increase our percentage man.

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

Originally Posted by Hanuka

Aye aye, atheist/agnostics are indeed many, but note that our world is not fixed and it is bound to change numerous times over our future history :-D

didn't you read the study???

They commit suicide these days :-D maybe because they feel insane without a religion and this also will increase our percentage man.

Please tell me you're not going back to the already debunked thing from before

Originally Posted by Obviously

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

Originally Posted by Hanuka

Aye aye, atheist/agnostics are indeed many, but note that our world is not fixed and it is bound to change numerous times over our future history :-D

didn't you read the study???

They commit suicide these days :-D maybe because they feel insane without a religion and this also will increase our percentage man.

Please tell me you're not going back to the already debunked thing from before

do you mean that a research from WHO (by famous scientists) is useless and some talkings from ordinary people (Most of them did not have master degree at least) is the RIGHT?

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

do you mean that a research from WHO (by famous scientists) is useless and some talkings from ordinary people (Most of them did not have master degree at least) is the RIGHT?

You hardly need a brain to understand that putting up suicide rates according to the prevailing religion in countries is a bogus way of representing statistics.


EDIT:
The only reason you support the statistics is because you like it. Your religion "looks good" there for you, and that's all you need to be convinced it's reliable.

Originally Posted by Obviously

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

do you mean that a research from WHO (by famous scientists) is useless and some talkings from ordinary people (Most of them did not have master degree at least) is the RIGHT?

You hardly need a brain to understand that putting up suicide rates according to the prevailing religion in countries is a bogus way of representing statistics.

Maybe this way is not accurate but it the nearest statistics to the truth man and if it was not, these scientsists would not use it then

Well, firstly, that report that uve shown at your 1st post is not proven, the only validation of its truthfulness is by your word, and a word of an islamic preacher is not to be taken without proper examination, thats what history has thought us.

Secondly; Suicide rates have absolutely NO relation to any religion/group/country whatsoever!
It`s pure randomness, if suicide rates tells you anything is the emo count of that specific group.
And people who think that joining a religion will prevent them from misery are stupid ******* ****** dumbasses to think so.

The "my religion is right, yours is wrong" paradox is becomming more and more unrellevent as time passes.
Why try to change a person beliefs if he already has a belief?!
Always remember that you are unique, just like everyone else :-D

peace,
tony

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

Originally Posted by Obviously

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

do you mean that a research from WHO (by famous scientists) is useless and some talkings from ordinary people (Most of them did not have master degree at least) is the RIGHT?

You hardly need a brain to understand that putting up suicide rates according to the prevailing religion in countries is a bogus way of representing statistics.

Maybe this way is not accurate but it the nearest statistics to the truth man and if it was not, these scientsists would not use it then

You`d be amazed how easy it`s to fake statistics these days and fake a report of a famous scientist

Originally Posted by Hanuka

You`d be amazed how easy it`s to fake statistics these days and fake a report of a famous scientist

Yeah, like Al Gore with his graph on "An Inconvenient Truth." That was crazy!

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

My dear friend Islam will dominate this earth with or without your will.

i only have one reply to this type of nonsense : OVER MY DEAD BODY
if you think westerners cannot be fanatical, watch when we're cornered and the gloves really come off
then it will no longer be mister limp-wristed nice guy

Originally Posted by Obviously

Originally Posted by Hanuka

You`d be amazed how easy it`s to fake statistics these days and fake a report of a famous scientist

Yeah, like Al Gore with his graph on "An Inconvenient Truth." That was crazy!

OK...OK as you wish you are closing your eyes in front the truth. but are all statistics around the world are wrong what about this one from Reuters which say:

Muslims more numerous than Catholics: Vatican

for the first time in history..... we're coming with or without your will and with your choice nobody will force you.

see this link:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNew...68682420080330

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

but are all statistics around the world are wrong

No, not all statistics are wrong when done properly.

Originally Posted by marnixR

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

My dear friend Islam will dominate this earth with or without your will.

i only have one reply to this type of nonsense : OVER MY DEAD BODY
if you think westerners cannot be fanatical, watch when we're cornered and the gloves really come off
then it will no longer be mister limp-wristed nice guy

Aye, aye!
an evul entry...

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

Originally Posted by Obviously

Originally Posted by Hanuka

You`d be amazed how easy it`s to fake statistics these days and fake a report of a famous scientist

Yeah, like Al Gore with his graph on "An Inconvenient Truth." That was crazy!

OK...OK as you wish you are closing your eyes in front the truth. but are all statistics around the world are wrong what about this one from Reuters which say:

Muslims more numerous than Catholics: Vatican

for the first time in history..... we're coming with or without your will and with your choice nobody will force you.

see this link:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNew...68682420080330

Heh, y`know, quantity doesnt always bring quality.
Just some brain food for ya xP

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

Muslims more numerous than Catholics: Vatican

Christianity in total, however, is larger. What's your point?

Originally Posted by Obviously

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

Muslims more numerous than Catholics: Vatican

Christianity in total, however, is larger. What's your point?

Guess!

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

Guess!

Argumentum ad populum?

Originally Posted by marnixR

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

My dear friend Islam will dominate this earth with or without your will.

i only have one reply to this type of nonsense : OVER MY DEAD BODY
if you think westerners cannot be fanatical, watch when we're cornered and the gloves really come off
then it will no longer be mister limp-wristed nice guy

I am not important this religion is the most important remember how the west abuse our natural resources and invaded our lands.. it is a revenge man from Allah not from us..It is a war between good and evil and good must win at the end.

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

It is a war between good and evil and good must win at the end.

true - you're the weakest link, goodbye

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

Originally Posted by marnixR

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

My dear friend Islam will dominate this earth with or without your will.

i only have one reply to this type of nonsense : OVER MY DEAD BODY
if you think westerners cannot be fanatical, watch when we're cornered and the gloves really come off
then it will no longer be mister limp-wristed nice guy

I am not important this religion is the most important remember how the west abuse our natural resources and invaded our lands.. it is a revenge man from Allah not from us..It is a war between good and evil and good must win at the end.

lol, ok then, lets say that america is evil n` shyt.
what makes you think that the all powerful america will loose to a bunch of ignorent people such as yourself?
what, god? you think allah will help you??
will he give you tactical nukes? will he makes your fighters invincibels?
will he make the enemy weak? what?! what?!!!
islamic allah and the biblic god are the same, dont argue with it cos there is nothing to argoue about.
Now why would you think that allah(god) will help the islamic people(his servants) and turn against his other belives which are the christian/jewish people, eh?
I mean, just the idea of god making a choice will deny him of his divinity.

Besides... america`s like has chuck norris... and you know what they say... no?
Well, once chuck norris shot down a nazi flighter by just pointing a finger at it and yelling "BANG!"

Peace,
tony

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

it is a revenge man from Allah not from us..It is a war between good and evil and good must win at the end.

Please don't look to muslims and what they doing but look to ISLAM.

Both statements make perfect sense and demonstrate the true nature of your religion. Succinct and to the point.

:-D

profahmfaw, could you please tell me about Islam? And sort of sum it up because I am very curious about it. I know about Hinduism, Buddhism and Christianity, but I've never studied or acknowledged the religious concepts of Islam. I would ver much to learn of it, mainly because there are a lot of similarities between the Qu'ran and The Old Testament. I believe Allah and God, are the same entity.

Muslims more numerous than Catholics

So this means that there's one group with delusion X that outnumbers the group with delusion Y. SWEEET!

Oh....and yes, I read the Q'ran and it made me puke more violently than the Bible. I used both to light the first bonfire in my garden this year. So at least they where good for something.

Originally Posted by Zitterbewegung

I used both to light the first bonfire in my garden this year. So at least they where good for something.

lol!

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

Originally Posted by Obviously

Originally Posted by profahmfaw

Muslims more numerous than Catholics: Vatican

Christianity in total, however, is larger. What's your point?

Guess!

You are comparing one branch of christiantiy to an entire religion. If you want to play that sort of game, there are more Hindus than there are Shiites. But who cares? The number of people who believe something has nothing to do with whether or not it is true.

aye, aye!
there is no ture religion... just different opinions....

Originally Posted by 425 Chaotic Requisition

profahmfaw, could you please tell me about Islam? And sort of sum it up because I am very curious about it. I know about Hinduism, Buddhism and Christianity, but I've never studied or acknowledged the religious concepts of Islam. I would ver much to learn of it, mainly because there are a lot of similarities between the Qu'ran and The Old Testament. I believe Allah and God, are the same entity.

A lot of the Bible is recognized as a holy inspired text by Muslims, except they consider Jesus to be a prophet like Moses and Abraham. This is a religion that came 600 years after Christianity.

Edit: Hmm I've been to all sorts of Christian churches, been to synagogue a few times, been to a Buddhist pegoda to see some relics on tour, and been inside a Sihk temple, it annoys me a little that I can't get into a Mosque to see what it's all about, and even if I did I suspect it would all be in arabic.

Why is there so little suicide among religious persons and much more among atheists?



Easy, for the same reason theres apparently no homosexuals in Iran.

(Big taboo, people lie, stats are worthless)

If I had a dollar for every statistic study with bogus results I'd be rich
(and this also applies to would be serious economic stats throw around in the media)

In my region over 50 years ago, suicide was taboo, religious people said it was a sin and familes were ashamed so I would not be surprised there were hardly any suicide at all back then since people probably had various 'accidents' instead.

I talked to a muslim woman that now lives in the west, Im talking about culture here not religion(people often mix the two), she said that in her country of origin it "appeared" that there was no abuse of women/rape/ etc, while in the west it "appeared" this was a big problem(front page news etc), but she also said that "in fact" these problems existed back in her country but that it was such a big taboo that few(if any) women dared denounce her agressor or tell anyone she had been raped and that it was a taboo subject.

A Mexican girl I knew in college said that the problem with Canada was that we were too free and so we had too many homosexuals rofl.

Bullshit nonsense high rate low rate death nothing to do wif those crap