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    Polly Toynbee in The Guardian points out that yet again, influenced by vox populi, the British government is funding pseudoscience.

    Also, wonderfully, I discovered this website - truthful about homeopathy, and subtly hilarious.

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    Oh good, they are not spending my taxes on nuclear missiles.... :wink:


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    do i need a prescription to buy that "universal life energy" ?
    + what is the recommended daily dosage ?
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    do i need a prescription to buy that "universal life energy" ?
    + what is the recommended daily dosage ?

    Half an hour a day on The Science Forum will suffice, and at zero cost!.
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    damn ! i've accidentally taken an overdose today !
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    Homeopathy is one of the most screwed up areas of medicine out there...

    For starters, there's two completely different aspects to it. On one side, there's the attempt to create or use medicines that use traditional or all-natural ingredients. On the other side, there's wackos trying to sell us "embued essence".

    For the crazy magical crap, I believe it's all a load of crap...

    As for the natural ingredients bit, well, that kinda makes sense, because half of the medicines we use now that are so called "conventional medicine" are based or developed off of natural ingredients and practices.

    I used to use Similasan eye-drops, which are commercial off-the-shelf homeopathic eye-drops (if you haven't seen them in yer grocery store). I actually didn't notice the "Homeopathic" text at the bottom of the bottle until weeks after I had bought them and begun using them. They worked great, far better than any of the brands I had tried before.

    Now, bare in mind Similasan doesn't claim "magical" or "spiritual" essence in their products, they're more into the down-to-earth side. Be that as it may, homeopathic or not, the eye-drops worked, and it was probably more due to the right combination of water and whatever, than anything else.

    So, yeah, if water and a touch of some plant extracts helped clear up my dry eyes better than the "standard" chemicals...why should I complain?

    Now if someone tried to tell me it worked because it was fused with the essence of mother earth...I'd point them towards the nearest loony bin.
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    I always felt that eyedrops were a waste of time, if you can see them on the shelf you probably don't need them.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    I always felt that eyedrops were a waste of time, if you can see them on the shelf you probably don't need them.....
    Eye-drops aren't to correct your vision, dude. They're to make your eyes feel better when they're dry or irritated.
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    It was another attempt at humour on my part...
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    what bugs me most about homeopathy it's that it's basically the placebo effect
    if a normal doctor wants to prescribe a patient a placebo he's supposed to tell him so - which spoils the effect you're trying to achieve
    homeopathy doesn't have any such restrictions
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    Even with modern drugs did it cure the cancer or did the body 'heal' itself?
    It is not just homeopathy I sometimes wonder how effective modern medicine is. THere simply must be some drugs that are just crap.
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    Well, the true definition of homeopathy is the use of something which triggers the body to heal itself.

    Mainstream medicine has already learned that the human body is actually pretty good at fixing its own problems, but not so good at initiating the start of the fixing.

    Modern medicine already does a lot to try and stimulate the body towards specific goals. The only difference between conventional and homeopathic medicine, is that conventional medicine tries to do this with lab engineered chemicals (which often cost millions to sort out) and homeopathic medicine tries to use chemicals already found in nature.

    Why spend millions trying to figure out how to build a chemical to stimulate the tear-ducts in the eyes, when there's already a chemical out there in some plant?

    Maybe conventional medicine advocates just don't want to explore that concept more, because they're afraid we (the consumers) might not pay so much for our medicines?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf
    Homeopathy is one of the most screwed up areas of medicine out there...

    For starters, there's two completely different aspects to it. On one side, there's the attempt to create or use medicines that use traditional or all-natural ingredients. On the other side, there's wackos trying to sell us "embued essence".

    For the crazy magical crap, I believe it's all a load of crap...

    As for the natural ingredients bit, well, that kinda makes sense, because half of the medicines we use now that are so called "conventional medicine" are based or developed off of natural ingredients and practices.

    I used to use Similasan eye-drops, which are commercial off-the-shelf homeopathic eye-drops (if you haven't seen them in yer grocery store). I actually didn't notice the "Homeopathic" text at the bottom of the bottle until weeks after I had bought them and begun using them. They worked great, far better than any of the brands I had tried before.

    Now, bare in mind Similasan doesn't claim "magical" or "spiritual" essence in their products, they're more into the down-to-earth side. Be that as it may, homeopathic or not, the eye-drops worked, and it was probably more due to the right combination of water and whatever, than anything else.

    So, yeah, if water and a touch of some plant extracts helped clear up my dry eyes better than the "standard" chemicals...why should I complain?

    Now if someone tried to tell me it worked because it was fused with the essence of mother earth...I'd point them towards the nearest loony bin.
    I have done you a tarot reading to see which is the best course of treatment for you.....and well....the cards say you should get over your fear of nature...put some sparkly robes on and dance amongst the daisies with bells on your ankles and wear the rainbow spectacles whilst sucking on a Bach Remedy phial and snorting some valerian.

    Then you will feel much better about it all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    I have done you a tarot reading to see which is the best course of treatment for you.....and well....the cards say you should get over your fear of nature...put some sparkly robes on and dance amongst the daisies with bells on your ankles and wear the rainbow spectacles whilst sucking on a Bach Remedy phial and snorting some valerian.

    Then you will feel much better about it all
    Yer just joking right? 'Cause none of that has anything to do with homeopathic medicine. That's popular-misconception. Homeopathic medicine isn't voodoo, the occult, or witchcraft....although somehow somewhere along the way someone put the two together...
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    Natural remedies are about the only thing that seem to work for me, aside from the heavy duty stuff. It seems that anything I take, whether it be ibuprofen, acetemetaphin, naproxin, etc. (all pain killers) my body reacts badly (I have fibromyalgia), making the problem only worse. I don't know what triggers the pain, so my doctor suggested trying other remedies. I've since learned a great deal about the local plantlife and its properties..... not as strong as the chemical stuff of course, but it works and with no side effects.... except sleepiness every now and then....
    I expect the worst but hope for the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf
    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    I have done you a tarot reading to see which is the best course of treatment for you.....and well....the cards say you should get over your fear of nature...put some sparkly robes on and dance amongst the daisies with bells on your ankles and wear the rainbow spectacles whilst sucking on a Bach Remedy phial and snorting some valerian.

    Then you will feel much better about it all
    Yer just joking right? 'Cause none of that has anything to do with homeopathic medicine. That's popular-misconception. Homeopathic medicine isn't voodoo, the occult, or witchcraft....although somehow somewhere along the way someone put the two together...
    Yes wolf, sorry, i was just pulling your paw. You said i was a hippy in one of my threads because i advocated being nice to each other, so i thought i would have a go at living up to that.

    There appears to be alot of evidence for the benefits of herbs and medicines to be taken in their natural form. Research has yet to discover many of the other ingredients and properties of plants. Some appear to counterract side effects you might get if the active principle was taken in a concentrated form. They are also milder, and so perhaps beneficial on a long term basis.
    Obviously someone in alot of pain needs to take a concentrated form in order for it to work faster and target the pain more effectively.

    I regularly take herbs i grow myself in teas and have found them to be very beneficial (blimey i'm starting to sound like a real hippy, i'll be wearing tie-dye next!)

    Also i don't particularly like pharmecutical companies ethics and especially by the way they monopolize the market place and withold cures and treatments in third world countries in favour of their already over-inflated profits, or the way doctors are motivated to operate in league with them.

    As for 'magic' Wolf. Well what is magic?
    Magic is the intention to produce internal or external change in accordance with the will. Therefore everything you think say or do is a magical act, even taking a herb to make you feel better to writing on this forum hoping someone will listen.
    If you think, say or do anything hoping for an end result, you are, perhaps unwittingly, performing a magical act.

    All scientists are 'magicians' whether they like that term or not, and so are cooks in the kitchen creating an edible masterpiece.

    Unfortunately magic and 'occult' ideas have been tarnished with bad publicity for centuries thanks to the religious idea of a 'devil' and manipulation by the very same to procur fear in the human mind of our own free wills as well as the over zealous imaginations of authors and film producers. (Fangs alot Kenneth Anger for the great films, but a bit way over the top there with the witch who conjures the devil and eats babies!)

    Magic is now seen as an act of 'evil'. In fact it's as normal as daily life. By realising this more people might start taking responsability for thier thoughts, words and deeds and utilising this amazing capability for some real good, instead of sitting on their bums complaining helplessly!

    Yes i agree that certain 'New-agers' dress up all this stuff in twinkly fairy lights and sparkly ideals which can reduce common sense to nonsense and put alot of people off, but hey they have probably had far too much mushroom tea.....if they want to live with the fairies that's up to them, but we shouldn't let it put us off some great possibilities or using another cliche......throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    Yes wolf, sorry, i was just pulling your paw. You said i was a hippy in one of my threads because i advocated being nice to each other...
    I don't have a problem with people being nice to each other...if they deserve it. If you-know-who is feeling some enmity, it's probably well deserved...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf
    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    Yes wolf, sorry, i was just pulling your paw. You said i was a hippy in one of my threads because i advocated being nice to each other...
    I don't have a problem with people being nice to each other...if they deserve it. If you-know-who is feeling some enmity, it's probably well deserved...
    Who is 'You-know-who'?

    Are we talking about Vodermort here from Harry Potter? That's the only you-know-who i know.

    If you mean me? Well i never really feel enmity, that's only really possible for the kind of self to offend.
    I only feel a deep aching well of chuckleness in my belly these days (perhaps i've overdosed on the skullcap and valerian?)
    I do like feeling truths and giving cheeky bottoms of sulky little children the occasional pinch.....oh and filling empty arid spaces with a little bit of humour, just to make sure we don't forget intellectuality can be a desert without something to move it.
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    Herbs in their natural form aren't necessarily better. Derren Brown used the example of willow bark, which is a natural painkiller. Scientists noticed it was working as a painkiller, and then used it to develop aspirin, which also kills pain, but without the stomach trouble willow bark can lead to.


    And also, back the homeopathy part of things, even water was proven to be able to retain a 'memory' of a substance (unlikely, since apparently no scientific law supports this), how does countering like with like work? On that logic, you could say firefighters should be equipped with flamethrowers.
    The wise man believes half of what he reads. If he knew which half to believe, he'd be a much wiser man.
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