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    Not sure if this is the right category or not. Anyway. I'm on the road this morning and I spot a bumper sticker that says...

    "Evolution is science fiction"

    Now I'm not going to attack any persons beliefs. Although, I have a more logical belief. Why can't science and God be the same? I've always thought that science is 100% right. Big bang, galaxy creation, star cooling, life, and evolution. To me why can't God have made all of this make sense? Why does it have to be magicial? Anyway, I'm not pressing my point of view or trying to discuss it. Thats just what I've always thought. Anyway, how can anyone logicaly think that everything that we know is no longer than 2000 years old? When I meet someone like this. I don't even get upset because I'm just confused. Even met one person that said that science is a big conspiracy to shadow some big lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightingbird
    Not sure if this is the right category or not. Anyway. I'm on the road this morning and I spot a bumper sticker that says...

    "Evolution is science fiction"

    Now I'm not going to attack any persons beliefs. Although, I have a more logical belief. Why can't science and God be the same? I've always thought that science is 100% right. Big bang, galaxy creation, star cooling, life, and evolution. To me why can't God have made all of this make sense? Why does it have to be magicial? Anyway, I'm not pressing my point of view or trying to discuss it. Thats just what I've always thought. Anyway, how can anyone logicaly think that everything that we know is no longer than 2000 years old? When I meet someone like this. I don't even get upset because I'm just confused. Even met one person that said that science is a big conspiracy to shadow some big lie.

    What?

    Haha anyway lets discuss.
    I have never seen in the Bible that the Earth is only a few thousand years old, or that life came from Adam and Eve. In the Bible it does not directly say that is what happened, and it does not direcly say that is not what happened. I think many logical Christians do is take it with a pinch of salt. I for one think the idea that Earth is only a few thousand years old is ridiculous. Plausible but really daft.

    God and evolution can be right. Put it this way if you were God and wanted to tell those beings you had made how old the Earth would be would you tell them directly using atomic models, and the big bang through evolution or would you use metaphors so that they could at least somewhat understand things more clearly. Don't forget that back then there were a lot of trials and tribulations in the world and many were driven crazy, the idea that there was a God, I mean is a God is that they had hope that somewhere life could be so much more happier, even if it became a delusion. This is no offense to some evangelical American Christains here, but they are a modern manifestaion of that delusion, have you seen them? Dancing around like wierdo's actually thinking that they have the power of God in them to heal folk? Maybe raiki healing works using spiritualism (sort of like placebo mediation), but they think that they have the power of God in them. WTF? Noone but Jesus has the power of GOD in them. Of course unless God has given it them, but I very much doubt He would.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightingbird
    "Evolution is science fiction"
    I find that a lot of people who think this way simply do not understand the theory of evolution and the power it has as a process to yield complex organisms such as ourselves. It's a sort of, "If I can't see how it could work, how can it be true?" mentality. This also applies in general to people who are mistrustful of science. It's simply because they just can't comprehend how it works.

    If this person even understood what evolution technically means - a change in allele frequencies in a population - they'd understand that evolution happens all the time, for example viruses can change and make previous vaccines ineffective. Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to get a flu shot every year believes in evolution whether they like it or not.
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    I think it's just hard for people to judge the validity of something that they're not familiar with. Statistics is, in some ways, the most counter-intuitive mathematical science, so it seems very few people can wrap their mind around it.

    Most bible scholars do claim that history only goes back about 6000 - someodd years. This is because of the geneologies given in Genisis up to Abraham, taken together with some estimation of how long they think the various people lived.

    After Abraham arrives on the scene, we get more and more accurate time measurements, but even the longest estimates don't put Adam and Eve back like a million years, or anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightingbird
    Not sure if this is the right category or not. Anyway. I'm on the road this morning and I spot a bumper sticker that says...

    "Evolution is science fiction"
    Those who make or promote such bumper stickers understand neither the concepts of evolution, science or fiction.
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    I completely agree.

    It simply amazes me when I encounter one of these people. They seem to stress that believing in science immediately discredits belief in God. We have no understanding of whats outside of this world, this system, our galaxy, all the other galaxies, much less the entire universe. All Ive always believed and never pushed it on anyone. Its belief in both. It just makes perfect sense to me. Why does it have to be magical?

    Evolution has tons of prove, history, bones, dinosaurs, on and on. How can anyone think otherwise?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightingbird
    We have no understanding of whats outside of this world, this system, our galaxy, all the other galaxies, much less the entire universe.
    I guess that's where religion comes in. Did you ever stop and think that our universe may be all there is? If so and you rejected the notion then please tell me why.
    All that belongs to human understanding, in this deep ignorance and obscurity, is to be skeptical, or at least cautious; and not to admit of any hypothesis, whatsoever; much less, of any which is supported by no appearance of probability...Hume
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Quote Originally Posted by Lightingbird
    Not sure if this is the right category or not. Anyway. I'm on the road this morning and I spot a bumper sticker that says...

    "Evolution is science fiction"

    Now I'm not going to attack any persons beliefs. Although, I have a more logical belief. Why can't science and God be the same? I've always thought that science is 100% right. Big bang, galaxy creation, star cooling, life, and evolution. To me why can't God have made all of this make sense? Why does it have to be magicial? Anyway, I'm not pressing my point of view or trying to discuss it. Thats just what I've always thought. Anyway, how can anyone logicaly think that everything that we know is no longer than 2000 years old? When I meet someone like this. I don't even get upset because I'm just confused. Even met one person that said that science is a big conspiracy to shadow some big lie.

    What?

    Haha anyway lets discuss.
    I have never seen in the Bible that the Earth is only a few thousand years old, or that life came from Adam and Eve. In the Bible it does not directly say that is what happened, and it does not direcly say that is not what happened. I think many logical Christians do is take it with a pinch of salt. I for one think the idea that Earth is only a few thousand years old is ridiculous. Plausible but really daft.

    God and evolution can be right. Put it this way if you were God and wanted to tell those beings you had made how old the Earth would be would you tell them directly using atomic models, and the big bang through evolution or would you use metaphors so that they could at least somewhat understand things more clearly. Don't forget that back then there were a lot of trials and tribulations in the world and many were driven crazy, the idea that there was a God, I mean is a God is that they had hope that somewhere life could be so much more happier, even if it became a delusion. This is no offense to some evangelical American Christains here, but they are a modern manifestaion of that delusion, have you seen them? Dancing around like wierdo's actually thinking that they have the power of God in them to heal folk? Maybe raiki healing works using spiritualism (sort of like placebo mediation), but they think that they have the power of God in them. WTF? Noone but Jesus has the power of GOD in them. Of course unless God has given it them, but I very much doubt He would.
    Pretty much what this guy said. The theists who reject evolution just simply can't let go of traditional views. Like geocentricism and flat-earth theory, Creationism will eventually die out with increased enlightenment.
    Whence comes this logic: no evidence = false?

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    I read an excellent quotation this morning in Dava Sobel's Galileo's
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    . The Vatican librarian Cesare Cardinal Baronio remarked to Galileo, that the Bible was a book about how one goes to Heaven - not how Heaven goes.
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    You get most of the anti-evolution crap from the folks who believe that evolution and creation have to be mutually exclusive.

    As discussed in numerous other threads already, evolution doesn't in any way go against the idea that life may have been created by a divine figure.

    I get a feeling that somewhere, some idiot convinced some people that considering/believing in evolution made them anti-religious, so bumper stickers like that are a self-righteous display to others in the hope that people will think they're specially devout or whatever. The same people who never engage their brain, although they won't stop saying it was a gift from God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf
    The same people who never engage their brain, although they won't stop saying it was a gift from God.
    Obviously he was selective in how much of a brain he handed out to some of his creation. (You don't suppose that selection was natural do you? 8) )
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    It's just ignorant people. By spouting that crap out without thinking it over first, they're an insult to the very thing they claim to be in support of.
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    heres one persons view on howthey came to that figure

    http://www.albatrus.org/english/theo..._age_earth.htm
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    Life certainly would be more simple if you could turn off your brain and just read "the truth" as all you need.

    Of course, the certifiable idiot who posted the stuff on that web-page might have some work to do re-interpreting the Bible (yet again) when anyone shows them something carbon-dated older than 6k-BC.

    "Uh, yes, Mr. Holyerthanthou, um, here's a mummy discovered in NA that dates to about 7420BC. Your comments?"


    When yer interpreting scripture, you should never speak in absolutes. Consider that the dude is saying that God created everything, and that he started doing so in 6,000BC. Okay, so who made all the stuff older than that? Wait, is that a conflict or is there another "god" or did someone just spout out bullhockey again?

    If being religious means you have to be dumb as a box of rocks, they can keep it!

    I'll take my faith, and my science, over here... --> --> -->
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    Those who associate religion with an anti-evolution stance - and thereby justify their own anti-religion stance - make as much sense as looking at 17th century notions of spontaneous generation, or Lamarkian inheritance of acquired characteristics, and thereby claiming that science is flawed and wrong.
    Man is a naturally spiritual and relgious creature. These aspects have proven very positive in the development of the species and of civilisation. Focusing only on their negative aspects is as smart as getting into the bath with a switched on three bar electric radiator. I would be amused by supposedly pragamtic scientists taking sucha dogmatic view if it were not so inherently sad, and even more dangerous.
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    Whenever someone says "Evolution is fake. Didn't you read the Bible!?"

    I say "Yeah. But clearly you haven't."
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