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    I wrote this originally on sciforums, but I've given up on that place. I've recently received some emails on this rather lengthy post, however: one congratulating me and one telling me what an terrible person I am for writing it, so it seems that it was getting some attention on the internet thanks to the Google Spider.

    If the moderators don't mind, I'd like to repost this article here for comment. The content is my own. I'm going to modify it somewhat from what was posted on sciforums and try to include the relevant links.

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    Kevin Trudeau is the author of several "self-help" books, including Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About and Mega Memory. Trudeau also has "starred" in several Infomercials in which he advertised one or more products, pretending to either be a journalist interviewing a proponent of the product or a proponent of a product pretending to be interviewed by an actor/journalist. He was penalized heavily by the Federal Trade Commission in 2004, restricting his marketing via the pseudo-news shows called "infomercials" and requiring him to pay $2 million to settle his false-claim charges.

    The Pseudoscience of Kevin Trudeau and Homeopathy

    Flipping channels on a Saturday morning, avoiding silly cartoons and infomercials in search of something interesting or informative, I came across an interview that I didn't initially identify as an infomercial. I quickly figured out it was a paid advertisement, but the format of the show was very much like that of Charlie Rose or a PBS talk show.

    The topic, however, was the first clue: natural cures suppressed by the government and food and drug industries. The person being "interviewed" was Kevin Trudeau, the author of Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About.

    As I listened, I was astounded at what Trudeau was saying. Not that I believed him, but that he had the audacity to make the claims he did. In the first 5 minutes of the show, Trudeau had said that there existed cures for cancer, attention deficit disorder (ADD), herpes, diabetes and acid reflux and that the Food and Drug Administration along with the food and drug industries are suppressing this information. Of course, he didn't list specific cures by name, instead citing the risk of doing so is to evoke the wrath of the government, namely the FTC and FDA. Apparently, Trudeau feels that the laws that prohibit making claims of "cures" without scientific evidence to support the claims and having the drug approved is part of the conspiracy of the government entities and industry controls to suppress homeopathy.

    The FDA is in cahoots with the drug industry

    Trudeau stated in this pseudo-interview that the "FDA works with the drug industry to prevent alternative, natural remedies" from being marketed. Indeed, he argues that the definitions that the FDA has established are themselves designed to favor the drug industry.

    Well being critical of the drug industry is probably a healthy stand and that the FDA isn't completely competent in both its enforcement and control of safety and expense associated with the drug industry is probably accurate.

    But Trudeau argues that the FDA's definition of conditions such as acid reflux, obesity and ADD as diseases is erroneous and misleading. Trudeau also is critical of the FDA's definition of a "drug," since it limits the ability of homeopathic remedies to market their products.

    A Brief History of Homeoapathy

    Over two hundred years ago, German physician Samuel Hahnemann developed the hypothesis that like cures like and this is the basis of modern homeopathy. In a nutshell, the idea is that symptoms of conditions can be treated with natural substances that produce similar symptoms, but because many of these substances can be toxic, even lethal, Hahnemann used a principle of dilution that he declared "the law of infintesimals" to make the substances safe for consumption. [1]

    Final dilutions in homeopathy can often produce results that have 1 part medicine to 10 29 parts of water. In a dilution like this, one would have to drink 7,874 gallons of water to consume just one molecule of medicine. Some homeopathic remedies are diluted to 10 400!

    Trudeau doesn't mention this in his "interview," but maintains his criticism of the FDA. The definition of a drug, he says, is such that "only a drug can cure a disease," an inference that the definition is omitting the possibility that other substances, namely "natural remedies" can "cure a disease." The FDA defines a drug[2] as: "articles intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease in man or other animals." Clearly this isn't stating "only a drug can cure diseases," but rather that which is intended to cure a disease is a drug. If something is a drug, then it falls under the jurisdiction of the FDA and must be regulated as well as approved.

    That really only leaves Trudeau with the criticism that natural remedies cannot get approval due to the bias against them by the FDA, the drug industry, and science in general. He doesn't consider that this bias is legitimate. Not even close.

    Trudeau's wild and dangerous claims: the worst 10

    During this infomercial / pseudo-interview, Trudeau says or argues the following. If it is in quotes, it is as near to his exact words I as I can recall. I took notes during the broadcast, but could only get some of the key points.

    1. He argues that acid reflux, ADD, and obesity (among others) are not diseases.
    2. He states that the drug industry is the "most profitable industry in the country."
    3. He stated that there exists a natural remedy which can "cure a migraine headache forever."
    4. He stated that there exists a natural remedy which can "cure arthritis forever."
    5. He stated that a cure exists for cancer
    6. He stated that a cure exists for types I and II diabetes.
    7. He stated that "if your body's pH is alkaline you cannot get cancer," and that the "body pH" of all cancer patients was acidic.
    8. He stated that the food manufacturers intentionally "put ingredients in food into make you fat [...] because fat people eat more."
    9. He stated that a recent study that concluded St. John's Wort to be ineffective was based on flawed methodology because each of the other drugs tested likewise resulted in being largely ineffective to treat depression.
    10. He stated that there was a cure for multiple sclerosis, which was caused by a "food additive" that gave the symptoms of MS.


    I expected that Trudeau would live up to my expectations of typical pseudoscience bull and present us all with "sworn testimonials" as to the effectiveness of the natural remedies. This is a characteristic of a bogus product that should make anyone immediately suspicious, since it’s the best way to establish a belief system: get a bunch of people to swear it's true or real.

    But Trudeau surprised me with his "testimonial" segment! He basically listed two or three non-specific ailments and stated that they each were better after they tried a natural remedy. The only remedy he would mention specifically was to take a tablespoon of vinegar to counteract acid reflux. He begged away from being specific citing the risk of action from the FTC or FDA if he were to divulge the actual substance used.

    Acid Reflux?

    Amazingly enough, Trudeau's explanation of acid reflux was that it wasn't acid that is the problem, but the gas created by the foods that are eaten. Trudeau is highly critical of the established medical knowledge on the topic and makes clear implications that the medical establishment, undoubtedly in cahoots with the government and the drug companies, are deliberately misleading the public about acid reflux disease. Indeed, Trudeau claims it isn't a "disease" at all! Instead, Trudeau claims that acid reflux is caused by not enough acid in the stomach and that the gas emitted from food digested only partially because of this lack of acid is the cause of the symptoms. That's where the "tablespoon of vinegar" comes in: it adds acid to the stomach.

    However, if we want to take a medical opinion (Trudeau is not educated in medicine), acid reflux, otherwise known as gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD), affects up to 36% of otherwise healthy Americans in the form of heartburn. While the symptoms are typically treated with over the counter remedies such as Pepto-Bismol™, there can be some serious or severe problems: "Hoarseness, chronic cough, asthma, laryngitis, recurrent pneumonia and ENT infections, nocturnal choking, sleep apnea, loss of dental enamel, bad breath and globus sensation." It has even been implicated in connection to Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.[3]

    Medical authorities have a very different view of what causes acid reflux/GERD. Among them are relaxation of the lower esophageal sphincter (LES), decreased LES resting tone, impaired esophageal clearance, delayed gastric emptying, decreased salivation, and impaired tissue resistance. Other indirect causes include lifestyle factors such as "smoking, large meals, fatty foods, caffeine, pregnancy, obesity, body position, drugs, and hormones."[4] Clearly, Trudeau is misinformed at the least. He offers no sources for his information and only the brief testimonial of his friend who drank a little vinegar to add some acid to his stomach. In all likelihood, the friend's consumption of vinegar acted to both reduce the pH of the reflux in the esophagus and rinse it back to the stomach since the pH of vinegar is 3 and the HCl of stomach acid is between 0 and 1.

    Responding to Trudeau's other quack claims

    1. Diseases that Aren't: Trudeau argues that acid reflux, ADD, and obesity (among others) are not diseases.

    The CDC defines disease as a "sickness; illness; an interruption, or disturbance of the bodily functions or organs, which causes or threatens pain and weakness." The Midwest Institute for Biological Control calls it a "departure from the state of health or normality." One can only wonder what definition that Trudeau uses. Type "define:disease" in Google and a plethora of definitions arise from many reputable sources such as those I just mentioned. None of them would exclude conditions such as acid reflux, ADD and even obesity.

    2. The drug industry is the "most profitable industry in the country.

    No argument there. This is probably the one true thing Trudeau said throughout the entire commercial. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation and Sonderegger Research Center, the pharmaceutical industry has outdone every other from 1995 until 2002, when it began to slip. In 2003, mining and crude oil production outpaced it.[5]

    3. - 6. He stated that there are natural remedies that will cure: migraine headaches, arthritis, diabetes (I & II), and even cancer.

    The only legitimate answer one can give this type of quackery is, "whatever." Trudeau is lying. Period. If he can demonstrate that these cures exist in rigorous, clinical tests, I'll print this essay and eat each page. If such cures existed, scientists and researchers would not sit on them. They would share them with the world. And, in answer to the argument that scientists are people and just as susceptible to greed and jealousy as the next man, I submit to you that if this is so, then the first one to write the paper and attach his or her name to the discovery will be immortalized and, perhaps, rich. The drug companies and the government could neither suppress the altruistic scientist nor the greedy one.

    7. He stated that "if your body's pH is alkaline you cannot get cancer," and that the "body pH" of all cancer patients was acidic.

    It is true that cancer cells cannot survive in an alkaline environment. But what Trudeau either is ignorant about or omits from his claim is that no cell in the body can survive in an alkaline state. The functions of enzymes in the body are to begin chemical reactions. Enzymes only function in a narrow range of acidic pH. If the pH balance of one's blood is affected to increase or decrease, then the body acts quickly to correct this to prevent sickness or death. Trudeau's claim of eating certain foods to increase alkalinity is bunk. All foods that go into the stomach will become acidic, after all, HCl is produced there. From the stomach, they go to the intestines and are neutralized by secretions from the pancreas. At that point, the food is alkaline. [6]

    8. Food manufacturers intentionally "put ingredients in food into make you fat [...] because fat people eat more."

    While that is a possibility, I wouldn't put much credibility in it. I think it’s a safer bet to believe that the food manufacturers manufacture and package foods in ways that consumers have indicated they want it. The driving principle in the last two decades has been "quick," "easy," "fast," and "fun." Microwave meals have far surpassed the "TV diners" of the 1970's in both content and speed of preparation; McDonalds has streamlined and set the standards for drive-thru method and the "Happy Meal" dominates the market in fast-food sales to kids. But this is what the consumer wants. If it wasn't, McDonalds would offer an alternative, like healthy meals with bottled water and fruit instead of cola and hot, apple pie. In fact, they are doing this due to recent public acknowledgement of the fast-food culture as being a bad habit. Trudeau would be more believable if he would simply name the "ingredient(s)" and which food companies were adding it. He also says that the United States is not able to export food, yet we had $62.3 billion in farm exports for 2004 and only $52.7 billion in agricultural imports.[7] Again, Trudeau appears misinformed.

    9. St. John's Wort study had a flawed methodology because each of the other drugs tested likewise resulted in being largely ineffective to treat depression.

    Trudeau is quick to point out that the study was flawed because the sertraline, which was the comparator drug didn't outperform the placebo. But neither did the St. John's Wort. He'll tell us the "study was flawed," but won't tell us how. The fact is that there needs to be more study done in order to fully evaluate whether St. John's Wort has any real effectiveness in treated depression. What is known, however, is that it has some potentially serious side effects for pregnant or breast-feeding women as well as when used in conjunction with other drugs, such as AIDS remedies such as indinavir.

    10. He stated that there was a cure for multiple sclerosis, which was caused by a "food additive" that gave the symptoms of MS.

    I really have to quote Stephen Barrett, M.D. in regards to this claim:

    "MS's extreme variability makes it a perfect disease for quacks. The only way to know whether a treatment is effective is to follow many patients for years to see whether those who receive the treatment do better than those who do not. Quacks don't bother with this kind of testing, however. They simply claim credit whenever anyone who consults them improves. And since the majority of attacks are followed by complete or partial recovery, persuasive quacks can acquire patients who swear by whatever they recommend.[8]

    Listed by Quackwatch as a "cure" to avoid when treating MS is "coral calcium." Interestingly enough, it just happens to be a product that Trudeau was fined $2 million by the FTC for making false and misleading claims about. Trudeau and his accomplice, Robert Barefoot, made an infomercial from the same ad agency as the Natural Cures book, only Trudeau played the part of reporter interviewing Barefoot. The interviewer for the Natural Cures show was Pat Matthews.

    Kevin Trudeau is a fraud. A scam artist. A con man of the worst kind. He seeks to make money off of schemes that take advantage of those that are in need of true medical assistance and those that are hopeful that they'll be able to stay healthy. But if Kevin Trudeau truly believes the bunk and baloney he writes and says, then he is merely pathetic.

    References:

    1 Park, Robert (2000). Voodoo Science. Oxford University Press: Oxford. pp. 52-58.

    2 FDA (2002) Code of Federal Regulation (CFR) Title 21, Section 201(g)(B)

    3 Minocha, Anil (2001). How To Stop Heartburn: Simple Ways to Heal Heartburn and Acid Reflux. John Wiley & Sons: New York.

    4 Fennerty MB, Sampliner RE.(1993) Gastroesophageal reflux disease. Hospital Medicine. 29(4):28-40.

    5 Kaiser Family Foundation (2004). Trends and Indicators in the Changing Health Care Marketplace, 2004 Update, found at http://www.kff.org/insurance/7031/ti2004-1-21.cfm

    6 Mirkin, Gabe (2003). Acid/Alkaline Theory of Disease Is Nonsense. Quackwatch.org. Found at: http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...SH/coral2.html

    7 Witte, Griff and Henderson, Nell (2004) U.S. Food Imports Increase, May Match Exports This Year. The Washington Post. Thursday, November 25, 2004; Page E01

    8 Barrett, Stephen (2003). Be Wary of Multiple Sclerosis "Cures." Quackwatch.org. Found at: http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...Topics/ms.html


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    I received two responses by email from different people. One thanked me for writing the above, the other called me a stooge of the pharmaceutical companies.

    B.C. writes, "As a cancer survivor, I find myself very upset when I hear people making claims that are not substantiated - especially about cures for cancer. [...] At any rate, I just wanted to take a moment to say thanks. It was good to see an intelligent report on these kinds of claims!"

    J.C. writes, "Trudeau may be full of shit or not, I don't know. But what is clear is your [sic] bias against him, and your arguments are weak. You appear to be an apologist for the drug industry. Or the FDA. And what is clear is you know nothing about Homeopathy. You think you do, but you've obviously never tried it. [...] 90+ percent of all health issues I've ever experienced have been cured by me, either through homeopathy, and/or herbs & supplements, and/or mental/emotional processing of the issue causing the health problem."
    Believe it or not, I was once very much into homeopathy, particularly with regard to "healing herbs." In fact, I still have a cupboard full of little jars of herbs ranging from golden seal to kava kava to rose hips. I use them for simply making tasty teas these days and have no illusion that they will cure any major illness.

    I'm not saying that there aren't herbs that will help eleviate the symptoms and pain associated with some illnesses, like a cold or upset stomach. I've taken pennyroyal/eucalyptus tea or chamomile tea for both with positive results. Perhaps those results were physiological or psychological. Who really knows... but Trudeau claims to cure major illnesses like cancer and MS with homeopathy! He's going far and beyond providing a tea to clear nasal passages or the comfort of chicken soup.


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    I love reading between the lines of those emails - J.C. is evidently a hypochondriac!
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    As a common thread to those that support claims of pseudoscience and the supernatural is the notion that the skeptic has an agenda that sides with the establishment. The UFO proponents maintain that the government is keeping secret the "proof" of their existence like some Holy Grail; the ESP/PSI crowd claims that negative energy of skeptics will never allow them to see the "truth" and that the evidence is "there" in the form of statistics that never seem to show anything beyond the expected margin of chance; the religious fundametnals.... well, you can sort the rest

    These people all want to believe. That's their biggest flaw as well as their gift. There's nothing wrong with "wanting" to believe, but in the end objective realism must take over and admit that science can't show something like Trudeau's claims to be genuine.

    I just saw this conartist (Trudeau) on a local independent television station this morning, selling his snakeoil in an infommercial. He *is* making a lot of cash at this, otherwise he wouldn't be able to afford that kind of television and production time. He's making that cash at the expense of the hopeful who need something to eleviate their pain or their illness. Trudeau is a true bastard for doing so and deserves EVERY BIT OF NEGATIVE CRITICISM THAT CAN BE DIRECTED HIS WAY.

    In fact, the link to the original article, which I just updated on my site is: http://home.earthlink.net/~ctfeagans/trudeau.htm

    Hopefully, by spreading this link around, I can boost my search results in Google. Already, if you type "Trudeau pseudoscience" in the search field, you get my page as number 1 or 2 (I've seen it both ways). Unfortunately, "Trudeau natural cures" is puts it several pages back.

    In fact, I give permission for that article to be reposted on the internet or printed and displayed as needed or even published in any print media as long as my name and email is left intact.

    This is a good example of the damage pseudoscience can cause in real life. Many people think pseudoscience is just UFOs, Bermuda Triangle, crop circles and the like, but in its most dangerous form, the unsuspecting public becomes a victim, not just a hobbiest or enthusiest.
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    Not to deny that Trudeau is a snake-oil merchant, I have to say I agree with one thing he says:
    From your article:
    1. Diseases that Aren't: Trudeau argues that acid reflux, ADD, and obesity (among others) are not diseases.

    The CDC defines disease as a "sickness; illness; an interruption, or disturbance of the bodily functions or organs, which causes or threatens pain and weakness." The Midwest Institute for Biological Control calls it a "departure from the state of health or normality." One can only wonder what definition that Trudeau uses. Type "define:disease" in Google and a plethora of definitions arise from many reputable sources such as those I just mentioned. None of them would exclude conditions such as acid reflux, ADD and even obesity.
    Not to give the guy any credibility, but in a way he's right. The drug companies generally define "disease" as "anything we can sell pills to the American public to 'cure'". Obesity is something I "suffer from" myself, but I only have myself to blame for it. You also wrote this extensive encomium on all the different forms and effects of what is basically heartburn and which can be "cured" by eating more healthily. By exaggerating the small number of cases which aren't alleviated by Pepto-Bismol or its equivalent, you do sound more like an advocate of the drug companies rather than an excellent debunker of crass, unscientific and greed-driven spurious claims.
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    I actually encountered the same criticism from myself as I read another article by Stephen Barrett which was highly critical of the exact same infommercial that I saw.

    That article, by the way, has a transcript of the infommercial with Dr. Barrett's comments in red and is well-worth reading: http://www.infomercialwatch.org/tran/trudeau.shtml

    In it, he says, "Acid reflux is not a disease; it is an event that occurs in a variety of circumstances and conditions, some of which are easily managed with self-help measures and some of which require medical treatment. [...] The ads [drug company ads for remedies for acid reflux] advise consumers that the symptom of heartburn can be treated in several ways. They also advise—correctly—that persistent heartburn is a reason to consult a physician."

    I think, however, that it can be argued either way whether or not acid reflux or obesity are diseases. I quickly agree that obesity is largely the fault of poor diet/exercise of the individual and that even acid reflux can probably be attributed to the same, but there are those that are afflicted with chronic acid reflux problems, and for them, I think it is safe to consider it a disease by the definition given.

    For the occasional bout with heartburn after a four-alarm chili or some good Tex-Mex, a Tums is all that is needed -not a doctor's prescription

    The main point of it all, is that Trudeau doesn't bother to actually examine the physiology and pathology involved with medical conditions and yet he is able to conclude that substances such as shark cartilage and corral can cure cancers and other complex conditions or diseases.
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    Interesting. Acid Reflux Disease. I had surgery to open a stricture which had formed due to ARD or GERD (Gastro Esophageal Reflux Disease). This is the precursor to Barretts Esophagus which can lead to esophageal cancer. I have a defective esophageal sphincter combined with hyperactive acid producing cells in the lining of my stomach. People correctly diagnosed with ADR/GERD have this condition. It is a disease, as in "heart disease" when one has a defective valve or weakened atrioventricular tissue.

    It is easy to scoff at the "heartburn" disease since most heartburn is due to greasy fries and the like. Just as much obesity is due to greasy fries and lack of exercise. However, my diet sucks and I sit at a desk and am at my ideal weight while my coworker is obese and leads essentially the same lifestyle. ARD and obesity, properly diagnosed, are diseases.
    Huh?
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    Here's a recent email I received regarding the article above as posted on my webpage (link is in a post above).

    A. L. Writes: "I purchased Mr. Trudeau’s book and went to the chapter on “Cures For All diseases” and got the impression that the “government” won't let him tell the reader about these cures. On the back jacket of the book I found a [site] that leads me to a “Lifetime Membership” [f]or an indefinite amount per month for his news letter. If he can’t tell us about the cures in the book what would make us think he could tell us in his “News Letter?

    Mr. Trudeau’s blanket indictments of others, his “They are holding me back” approach and his personal money funnel gives me angst. .

    One way to advance is to demean your opposition but one day the indictor will have to step up and take their own tests. I will make him this challenge: Send me a couple of names of the people to talk to who have been cured of multiple sclerosis. Let me meet with them, I will pay any reasonable expense and I will report back to you. [- A. L.]"
    It seems that A.L. discovered the hard way about the con that Trudeau is pulling. I'm searching high/low in the local used book stores this week to see if I can find a copy for about 5 bucks. If so, I'll gladly spend that to go through it and write a scathing review based on the fallacious nature of the information contained within. I'm not a bit surprised at the above tactic of selling a book for $29 then not giving the information promised unless the reader dishes out an additional expense for the "newsletter," which by the way, is called the "Whistleblower."

    It's time the whistle was blown on Trudeau.

    As a side note, I'm actually surprised at the responses I'm getting from people who have actually visited my website and read the above article. I can only assume they are finding it by google.
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    I'm reminded of the Sky One programme Conspiracy: Area 51 which went a great deal into the testimony of Bob Lazar. One thing that struck me was the story that he'd been threatened. The guy he reported to called him up after he'd first made his "I reverse engineered alien spacecraft" statement, and said something like, "You wouldn't believe what we're going to do to you now!" and hung up. But Lazar is sitting there several years later,in a book-lined room, talking about this. So nothing apparently came of this government-backed threat then? Prior to this he was driving along and someone drove up beside him and apparently shot at him with a gun. Again, the big problem with this story is, if the government wants to assassinate you, you'd think they'd find a better way than shooting from one moving car to another, which in the event totally failed.

    This is the kind of inconsistency you have to find in these stories. Indeed, if Trudeau can't say something in a book, how can he say it in a mere newsletter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silas
    he was driving along and someone drove up beside him and apparently shot at him with a gun.
    They caught up with Lazars rocket powered Honda Civic? HOW, it supposedly did 200mph, ... although I'm having trouble finding a single picture of it, ...... too fast for the cameras, yeah, that must be it.
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    Here is a link to a few of Bob Lazar's jet-powered vehicles. He built several, including a jet-powered bicycle not pictured here.
    http://www.unitednuclear.com/jetcars.htm
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    Hey, the guy's got a hobby, good luck to him!

    So anyway, homeopathy. I knew an engineer guy years ago who was totally in thrall to it, and he had anecdotal evidence about this quack who could "dowse" his conditions by holding a piece of metal on a thread over a sample of my friend's hair. In those days I didn't know enough to be able to debunk what was going on, that the quack's "amazing ability" to diagnose at a distance was nothing more than educated guessing, probably a result of a fishing expedition during a phone conversation. So for all I know he's still a homeopathy fan to this day.
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    Okay... I gotta share the latest email in response to me article

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. B.P.
    Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:14:38 -0700 (PDT)
    From: B. P.<[..]@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Webpage on Kevin Trudeau
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    I think you are the quack, fraud, and liar! It is obvious to me and JC that you are a biased individual. I am currently helping Trudeau in his cause. I have filed complaints with you, CBS, and soon the FDA! You want proof of natural cures and the power of alkalizing the body? What do animals do when they get sick? They don't take a pill or chemotherapy. They eat naturally alkaline foods. And by the way, it is obvious our government is trying to hide information about natural remedies. In Japan, researchers have found that fucoidan can cause certain cancers to self-destruct! How come we know nothing of this in America? How come the FDA doesn't shut doctors down who only use harmful drugs and surgery, yet an herbalist can cure somebody naturally of cancer and he gets sued? Anyone who can't see this type of corruption at the government is obviously influenced by the drug companies or the FDA itself. I think all of you Kevin Trudeau bashers are on the FDA's payroll. Yeah, well one day maybe you can come after me too when I expose natural remedies for what they really are: cures. By the way, it wouldn't surprise me if you yourself sent the e-mail praising the article.

    Mr. B. P.
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    Yeah my mother has acid reflux. She has to have a prescription because it's so bad. She say's it's completely gone with the prescription, but the other stuff just doesnt touch it. I was kinda like skinwalker and did not know it could be so strong for some. I have had it about twice in my life total, nothing to dramatic just uncomfortable.

    I seriously think someone could sue the coke companies for their dangerous products. lol. Well sort of. Their product contains an incredibly rich sugar, high fructose. The sugar in them raises your sugar high and when it bottoms out you want more sugar. It's an endless sugar and messes with your entire body There's no label on these cokes about the dangers of consuming large amounts of this sugar and what it can do to you. I've been drinking Pepsi One now as a result of learning and experiencing the endless soda game. The sugar, combined with the caffine in them is dangerous to our health and an attempt to make us addicted to them. Hell their in our schools. Getting our kids addicted to sugar and hopefully diabetic before their 30. Send them to the drug companies.

    I'm all for free choice, but I never knew that the type of sugar in the coke was THIS bad for me and (I think is highly responsible for the rise in diabetes) if I had known I would have definately drank other things.

    I guess I should just be happy their are more alternatives now. All those people who complain about the Atkins Diet - he was right.

    Sugar is (I think) the number one reason why people are so overweight today. It's in everything. From bread, to pasta (Which turns to sugar) to drinks. I'll get off this diatribe now.
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    Hey Skinwalker, don't know if you saw this story elsewhere, but it's more fuel for the debate. Well, more like a fire-extinguisher I guess!

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    I have some real problems with your article that you might want to consider.

    You sound as if you are dismissing all non-'Western' medicine on the evidence of one proponent. I will agree to stipulate that Trudeau is a fraud. However, that does not mean that all non pharmaceutical and non surgical treatment is fraudulent.

    You accept the use of the word 'cancer' as if it applied to a single disease with a single cause.

    'He stated that the food manufacturers intentionally "put ingredients in food into make you fat [...] because fat people eat more." ' That actually sounds like a good description of sugar. [Don't get me started on hard candies that are marketed as low-fat.]

    The above is intended as editorial comment, but I do have a serious disagreement with your medical philosophy, as I understand it; that any treatment no more effective than a placebo is fraudulent.

    I think that medical researchers should be actively investigating the mechanism[s] of the placebo effect, rather than dismissing it as some pesky annoyance that requires double-blind studies.

    Personal disclaimer: I know of no-one who has suffered from following a non-'Western' course of treatment; I personally know of no doctor who refused to treat some-one who wanted to follow such a course of treatment [excluding herbal treatments of unknown potencies, of course]. In my experience, unconventional treatments have been surprisingly effective, and medical professionals who have had no trust in such treatments have been respectful and accommodating of them and their practitioners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j
    You sound as if you are dismissing all non-'Western' medicine on the evidence of one proponent.
    Can we straighten out the terminology first? Homeopathy IS 'western' as it was invented in Europe, by Samuel Hahnemann, in the late 1700's and earley 1800's. He tested his potions on ONE single subject, ... himself.

    While Hahnemann borrowed some of his ideas from earlier philosophers, he came up with the dilution concept. So homeopathy, as it is understood today, IS 'western'.

    Many herbal, non-homeopathic remedies are also 'western'. Digitalis was discovered by mainstream science, after a patient of William Withering was unhappy that while the Dr was able to diagnose his heart condition, he was unable to treat it. The patient sought the advice of a local Gypsy (from Staffordshire, England (the 'west')), who gave him Foxglove. Dr Withering, on discovering his patients recovery, pursued this avenue, and proved the efficacy of Foxglove in clinical trials. (after paying the Gypsy for the information!)

    So we must separate the terms. Homeopathy is not all that is herbal, alternative, and non 'western'. Homeopathy is pure unsubstantiated and well debunked nonsense. Herbal remedies are often effective, and often proven in clinical trials.
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    Do note the quotation marks I used.

    What term can we agree on? I dislike unconventional and alternative, but I would agree to either for the discussion. 'Non surgical or biochemical' is the most accurate, but it is clunky.
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