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    Video:

    http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Fr...torFeb2003.wmv

    Many a skeptic eye on this at the moment, but Perendev maintains that he's shielded the magnet's and positioned them in such a way that the repulsion effect at an optimal distance isnt being counteracted with an equal and opposite neutralising force.





    what does everyone here think of it.?

    information on attempted replica's which one is believed successful, and trying to understand how it works.

    http://www.fdp.nu/perendev/



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    So I take it this is suppose to be another perpetual motion machine? The theory behind the use of magnetics for such a device always intrigued me. Only because there is clearly a force at work that doesn't deminish.

    So what he's doing here is shielding the magnets in such a way that they never try to attract only push away. Hmm...would be very cool if this turns out to be true. Make a massive one and our power problems would be over. Somehow however I feel it must have a flaw. The old can't get something for nothing.


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    yeh, from what i understand the shielding doesnt get rid of the attracting neutralising mechanisim its still there, it just tips the balance so the repulsion is the dominant of the two, enough to perhaps allow a constant push set in motion to overcome the resistance continually.

    I know, but. I didnt think he was getting something for nothing, if he's managing to harness magnetic force (which fundementally appears to be something from nothing in its own right), transforming it into rotory motion, I know it has something to do with the dragged down effectual distance of the flux when MU-metal shielding is around the magnet, including a slight protective lip which can be seen, along with approaching angles, and optimal effective distances between magnets, and a tri phase offset rotor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clarky
    I know, but. I didnt think he was getting something for nothing, if he's managing to harness magnetic force (which fundementally appears to be something from nothing in its own right), transforming it into rotory motion, I know it has something to do with the dragged down effectual distance of the flux when MU-metal shielding is around the magnet, including a slight protective lip which can be seen, along with approaching angles, and optimal effective distances between magnets, and a tri phase offset rotor.
    Keep us posted, so many have tried this before and failed. The video is very impressive if it's real. Could in fact change the world.
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    i read about about those, i loved it. it made me wanna do phyics. i didn't, but i sytill have a huge interest,

    im waiting for the film to laod, (so damm slow!!)
    i belive there has to be a way to harness the magnetic force, and it would be great,

    but still, there has been so many atempts in the past, all of which appare to of not worked, and if they did .. we lost the notes.. or they left it secret!!!!. but in todays modern day in age.. ,eby we can slavage it , and make it work!!
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    Would be nice to get someone who is reasearching such devices here to talk about it
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    www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/

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    that is an interesting book , with references to the perpetual motion machine's and other unlimited energy sorces... and the scandles surrunding them.

    as for the video .. very interestign watch. looks cool. a wonder why the woman came in... and suddenly he moved the camera.. but that is just my suspicious mind!

    one idea i found interesting was : chapter 5.a secrect cult/community in the swiss mountians wich claim to have cracked it.. but don't want to share it with the world for fear to crupt us! we are not ready!?
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    I don't see how it would corrupt us, we have an almost unlimited supply of power now with nuclear. If anything it would be smart for them to make it more available to the public in order to help the environment. They have to live in this world as well.

    The problem I have with this device is simple, the repulsion and attraction amount would have to be 100% perfect in order for it to work. The inertia of the spinning wheel is I guess suppose to help keep the system flowing to the next magnetic incidence in order to keep it flowing. Still I doubt any net gain here.

    A spring after all have force but always produces less energy total then what was put in to compress it. A stretched spring attracts and a compressed spring repels. Not all that far off from the magnets.

    More proof is needed, how about a very high res video for starters.

    I could build a machine that would run from nothing 24/7 right here in Arizona, it's called a solar powered motor. A large group of solar cells that charge a large group of hot swappable batteries and power a small motor. So long as people are around to make sure everything gets changed out as it breaks the thing would run seemingly forever. Night and day. Arizona has so much sunlight.
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    I suspect fraud. As GoodGod3rd has already mentioned, you see someone walking away and then the camera moves to the other side of the machine and he then starts explaining away the shaft sticking out from the central rotor. I think that they attach a motor to that shaft to crank the wheel and then remove it. I find the camera angles highly suspicious.


    (By the way, (In)Sanity, over at the other place, when someone posts a long ass url like that, the software automatically shortens it and replaces characters from the middle with an elipses. I know you don't like posts that fuck up the look of the forum. Maybe you can look into figuring out how to work that? The only problem with it is when you simply copy and paste the link. It ends up nonfunctional because it's more of a hyperlink than an url now.)
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    Being based on magnetics this is pretty easy to "fake". The whole "look mom no hands", or no wires doesn't hold up very well when it comes to magnetics. It would be easy enough to have an outside electrically driven field to make this all appear to work. I'm sure it could be outside of the cameras field of view.
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    Yes perhaps,, but then why? its ridiculously elaborate if it is a fake, to con investors perhaps? again why.. youd eventually get caught out and put away... why would mike brady devote his life to the idea and spend all that money on research materials... and fake it. It could be faked but that doesnt seem very likely considering.

    Also the whole spring analogy.. springs are nothing like magnetic force, the principal is similar but aside from that magnetic force isnt a compression action, it doesnt loose energy through repulsion, if you can keep it that way you are converting magnetic flux into useable motion, aslong as the repulsion is dominant there is no reason why it should loose momentum, Mike Brady claims hes had it on a test run for 2 months without loss of power to the rotor.

    I feel if it is true, the confusion comes from missing elements in thermodynamics, on the lines that we dont really understand magnetic force well enough to get a full picture of what is going on. Mathmatics supposedly proves that this is impossible, if it is not impossible practically, we have our ideas or sums wrong, or are missing something, e.g understanding of the inner workings of magnetisim, Ether, subtle energies?, the energy manifestation of vacuum stress? to better understand the force at work.

    A higher quality video... http://www.perendev-power.com/My_Hom...otor%20web.wmv

    The one thing thats impressive is it shows the neutralising effect taking place just as it starts off, evidence of the magnets interacting and that the rotor wants to intially lock up, only when the magnets get close enough and reach the desired angle's and effective distance does the imbalance occur.
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    now come , i never said it was fake, just suspect,

    neuclear powere is unlimited, but costly, and dangerous for everyone,
    they claim to have a machine that produces unlimited power, with out input or output, safely. but look what we done to neuclear power.. we made a bomb. for all we know (if its true...) there machine/method could be used to creat an even bigger ... better bomb. and possibley .. the first to creat it.. could hold the world ransom!
    worst case .. granted...

    solar power is unlimited. but solar power is costly for us.. average.. who cannot make our own little power plant? would yo b ewilling to supply the homes of ireland with enough of those fo free?

    the unlimited power sorces are more than what they appare to be. if one were to be discovered.. or if the swiss cult relased there's .. what would it do to the world?
    millions would lose there jobs in powerplants.. and other such instution's...
    what state would it leave the world ecconamy in with out the need to market coal and oil?
    and on the subject of oil.. what about the new iraq? and other nations that depend on oil as a backing for there econamy?
    an unimited power sorce... our cars would run on it im sure...

    why do you think we aren't investing on renewal sorces? money and ecconamic reasons.big buissness has too much to lose.

    My appoligies on the rather large url... but my intentions were good? the book n question talks about the various sorces... it also talks about the scandles and violance claimed by the inventors.

    Edit, one more thing... the book also metions.. a older ariel type thing that uses a sweedish stone, a compound he found somwhere in sweeden mountouns... or possibly swiss... any chemists willing to comment>?
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    Almost definitely a fake. Perpetual motion devices have been the crackpot's dream for a looooong time. And magnets are always a favorite. I've posted this in another forum to try to gather some responses, and somebody noticed that when the wheel first starts moving it does a double jerk.

    From what has been said about this type of setup over there, the wheel should move a little bit until it reaches a position of balanced force. This occurs with the first slight motion of the wheel. The second motion which starts the wheel spinning is something else. I suspect an electric motor attached to the shaft on the other side of the machine, but it is entirely possible to make this kind of motor spin with ac power. You can hide all the wires and whatnot and fool a lot of people.

    But, the question is still, to my mind, why does the camera stay locked on just the one side of the machine? There should be someone walking around the thing while it's operating.

    Plus. The video is about 3 years old. Something like this, if it worked and was proven valid, would not be overlooked in scientific circles.

    It's fake.


    Oh. But here's a pretty picture. I made it into an animated gif.

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    well thanks for the replies anyway.. I guess we just wait now, but another thing is.. if it is a fake why is perendev adament NASA contracted a motor to use in the probe thats going to titan, NASA dont seem to reject the claim.

    Im open minded to it, I believe it possibly works and that the complete refutal is from a mind that doesnt accept magnetisim as a perpetual force that then if harnessed and converted can provide a form of usable energy, for instance a windmill in a perpetual wind can do the same. Also that mathmatical models that say this is impossible are not a model of the entirity of the understanding of magnetisim, and there is a clear difference between practical observations and mathmatical predictions.

    anyway if its a fake we will find out, if its not , then certain human laws need some rethinking or extra additions, but aside from that it is fantastic if what we are seeing is valid.
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    Isn't this machine pretty vulnerable, I mean, to other electro-magnetic fields? Also, if these machines are made larger, will we be able to contain the increasingly large (and powerful) magnetic fields?

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    You know what I find really interesting and a bit off base. The movement of the sun, moons and planets. We have a perpetual motion machine on a gigantic scale. If one thinks about it they should defy the laws of thermal dynamics as well. You have a bunch of massive bodies circling each other for billions of years keeping almost clock work precision. Why would the earth keep moving around the sun for billions of years at almost the same distance and speed. It defies logic. So perhaps gravity is the only way to obtain true perpetual motion. Magnetics may not be far behind, the question is...has anyone done it and had solid proof. So far I would have to say not.
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    Nah. The solar system will wind down as well. Eventually. We're just dealing with extremely large time scales.

    Consider the moon orbiting the earth. Because of tidal forces, the moon is receding from the Earth at a rate of 3.8 centimeters a year. And the Earth's rotation is being dragged slower and slower (in a hundred years, the day will be 2 milliseconds shorter.)
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    crackpotdream .. perhaps. but neverthe less.. how do we know what is to be
    they called various scientist's in teh past "crakcpots" for there belifes... and theroys... and now that they are the theroys of today... meby the Cakcpot theroys of today .. could be the theroys of tomorro.

    keep an open mind

    not only for perpetual motion machine's but the various other unlimited energy sorces.

    however .. the second video ~ is even more suspect! the video was edited further when the person comes in... and he decided to add the music.. why?
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    Ok, I think it could well work, but it's not (quite) perpetual motion, or Free Energy.

    The Law of Energy Conservertion must still apply.

    This is why it's not Free Energy.
    In a nutshell, the energy used to magnetise the magents must be greater than the energy output by the wheel.

    This is why it's not perpetual motion.
    The magnets' field strength will decrease with usage. Allbeit over a very long period of time, but eventully, it won't turn.

    However, everything I've said above, relies on the physics I know being correct.
    Magentic fields, and espically combinations of magnetic fields are still murky waters that aren't fully understood.

    I hope this simple device works.
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    Does anyone have a link to a book, or a scientific article where perendev magnetic motor is described in full detail. I am highly curious.
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    Wow, that was some heavy duty pseudoscience going on here back in 2005. Who says we've gone downhill?

    ETA - found this. Apparently the company went out of business and the inventor was arrested in 2010 for embezzlement.
    http://pesn.com/2010/04/24/9501640_M..._embezzlement/
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