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    Apart from always making an appearance prior to the main tourist season, it still attracts scientists from all over the world who are now fishing for DNA.

    https://www.foxnews.com/tech/loch-ne...ientific-study

    There's a guy been camping there since 1991 and even he's seen nothing.
    When will they ever learn?

    But wait a minute...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFYx_BRtpbg


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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post

    There's a guy been camping there since 1991 and even he's seen nothing.
    When will they ever learn?
    Isn't he the only survivor of a group of 12 Nessie hunters? Might make you wonder why we haven’t heard from the other 11.

    Best part is He probably knows where the best fishing spots are.


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    I can't help but wonder if these guys truly believe or just want a cool sounding reason to justify going fishing? British Columbia has it's own lake monster in Okanagan Lake called Ogopogo. Here's the wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogopogo Seems to be good for tourism at least.
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    Genetic results described as significant are due to be released in September.
    River Monsters presenter Jeremy Wade believes Nessie was a Greenland Shark. If so, how did it get into the lake? The outflow to the sea is by the shallow River Ness.
    Other suggestions include leg-pulls which is extremely likely such as large footprints on the shore and toy submarines.
    I guarantee if you go there you will see nothing unusual other than tourists from many countries adding millions to the economy.

    Meanwhile...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSA84zKZlUo
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Isn't he the only survivor of a group of 12 Nessie hunters? Might make you wonder why we haven’t heard from the other 11.
    His name is Steve Feltham. He quit his job and sold his house to live in a van at Dores, the first place you come to on the road from Inverness to the side of the loch. In nearly 30 years all he's seen is a torpedo trail which he failed to capture an image.

    Other characters include:
    Alex Campbell, water bailiff who saw it at least 17 times.
    Aleister Crowley, former wickedest man in the world lived at the demon haunted Boleskine House near the shore.
    Tim Dinsdale, filmed the monster at Foyers, close to the home of Crowley.
    Ted Holiday, also saw it at Foyers and believed it to be a multidimensional entity with telepathic powers.
    Peter Scott, founder of WWF, who believed it to be a plesiosaur.
    Frank Searle, who also camped out for 15 years on the shore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    My first thought was the critter is a giant squid with trailing tentacles. Have read where architeutis has been seen in the North Sea, so....hmmmmm.
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    Problen with both greenland sharks and giant squid is they are exclusively marine, they couldnt survive in a freshwater lake since the salinty of their body would kill them.

    Also a huge problem for nessie is age and the need for a breeding population size. It couldnt go this long without a dead specimen being collected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    Problen with both greenland sharks and giant squid is they are exclusively marine, tgey couldnt survive in a freshwater lake since the salinty of there body would kill them.

    Also a huge problem for nessie is age and the need for a breedi,g population size. It couldnt go thos long without a dead specimen being collected.
    That settles that. Unless someone finds a fresh water squid one day.

    Regardless, I took the time to search a little farther. Seeing how this was a Turkish monster I checked for salt water lakes in that country. Turns out there’s a couple big ones. One is Lake Van and in the following article there is a link to the exact video in OP. As mentioned, first impression was that of a squid but the article author isn’t convinced it’s a real anything. Apparently this lake has never been connected with a salt water sea.

    https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2019/...ter-of-turkey/
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Isn't he the only survivor of a group of 12 Nessie hunters? Might make you wonder why we haven’t heard from the other 11.
    His name is Steve Feltham. He quit his job and sold his house to live in a van at Dores, the first place you come to on the road from Inverness to the side of the loch. In nearly 30 years all he's seen is a torpedo trail which he failed to capture an image.

    Other characters include:
    Alex Campbell, water bailiff who saw it at least 17 times.
    Aleister Crowley, former wickedest man in the world lived at the demon haunted Boleskine House near the shore.
    Tim Dinsdale, filmed the monster at Foyers, close to the home of Crowley.
    Ted Holiday, also saw it at Foyers and believed it to be a multidimensional entity with telepathic powers.
    Peter Scott, founder of WWF, who believed it to be a plesiosaur.
    Frank Searle, who also camped out for 15 years on the shore.
    Seem like the sort of people one might come across on a science forum
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    Sightings seem to get earlier in the year now.

    https://www.singularfortean.com/news...ess-in-30-days

    Probably because more nutters go there.
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    Always suspected the monster was a slippery customer.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...lands-49495145
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Nice picture of a fish. Is the eel the boat wake swirl in the water above the fish? Convincing people there’s something big that constitutes a giant sea critter is the real monster, devouring tourists and crapping out real dollars.
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    Also it still leaves the question of why there isnt a history of eel catches in the loch ness fisheries.
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    Do eels shoal or swim near the surface?
    This could explain why torpedo like trails have been reported.
    I assume eels swim very fast, and explains why even the professional Nessie hunter who lives on the loch didn't have time to get his camera when he saw such a trail.

    Having been to the loch many times I haven't seen any fishing boats. Plenty of sea fishing goes on along the nearby Moray coast.
    I would expect the pleasure craft which travel the Caledonian Canal into Loch Ness to be the best placed to see any creature, but eels swimming near the surface would soon get out of the way.
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    Whike i wouldnt expect anything like commercial fishing of the loch, recreational fishing and subsistance fishing beforehand would have produced eel catches on record, as eels are active hunting fish.
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    Just about the only fishing in the dark waters of Loch Ness has been for salmon. I can't find any specific reference to eel fishing.
    The legend is supposed to date back to St. Columba in 565. It was revived in the 1930's with sightings which attracted pranksters.
    The eel theory ticks nearly all the boxes. A fleeting glimpse of a scary serpent like creature making torpedo like tracks.
    The diet of eels is varied and includes fish. Salmon might be on the menu. They also eat meat so swimmers might also be attacked.

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    Because fish arent meat?

    And as someone who spent 6 years in an area that gets a lot of fishing, you will inevitably get by-catch while going for a differnt fish. Theres no way that eels wouldnt have already been well known in the lake
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