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  1. #1 Does cell towers and Wi-Fi devices emit positive air ions? 
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    I don't understand this... "Positive ions can be produced by: a discharge of voltage in high-voltage networks, heating and air-conditioning systems, TVs, radios, transmitters, radar systems, computers, exhausts and cigarette fumes, smog, radiation and harmful chemicals and toxins. No wonder people spending too much time indoors suffer from headaches, poor concentration, allergies, and depression."



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    Quote Originally Posted by BorisBoris View Post
    I don't understand this... "Positive ions can be produced by: a discharge of voltage in high-voltage networks, heating and air-conditioning systems, TVs, radios, transmitters, radar systems, computers, exhausts and cigarette fumes, smog, radiation and harmful chemicals and toxins. No wonder people spending too much time indoors suffer from headaches, poor concentration, allergies, and depression."
    Anyone mentioning "toxins" is immediately suspect in my view. This looks like snake oil to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BorisBoris View Post
    I don't understand this... "Positive ions can be produced by: a discharge of voltage in high-voltage networks, heating and air-conditioning systems, TVs, radios, transmitters, radar systems, computers, exhausts and cigarette fumes, smog, radiation and harmful chemicals and toxins. No wonder people spending too much time indoors suffer from headaches, poor concentration, allergies, and depression."

    Why do you feel this youtube personality has any scientific understanding of, well, ANYTHING?

    NEVER use youtube as a source of extrordinary claims
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    But is it possible to detect it with ion counter? There are many texts about this everywhere
    https://negativeionizers.net/negativ...positive-ions/
    http://www.airlite.com/2018/07/05/ne...-to-find-them/
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    But there is no evidence for a link with "headaches, poor concentration, allergies and depression". That's the bullshit part... Also if positive ions are formed, negative ions must be formed as well, do you think they have the opposite effect? The Internet is full of people trying to make scientific sounding claims to sell you something that is either pointless or doesn't work, or to push a lunatic "theory", judging by your earlier posts on this forum, you are one of them and will no doubt go full crackpot within a few posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BorisBoris View Post
    But is it possible to detect it with ion counter? There are many texts about this everywhere
    https://negativeionizers.net/negativ...positive-ions/
    https://www.yellowstonecomputing.net...ers-of-devices
    Wait, you thing THESE are reliable backing for the initial post why?????
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    Well, i'm not interested in the health effects, physical mechanism is more interesting. So, how is it possible that non-ionizing radiation produces ions? Does it act as a positively charged body in the air, or changes the conductivity of air by strong voltage gradients near antennas...?

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    judging by your earlier posts on this forum
    I think It could have some connection with climate changes https://www.australianrain.com.au/
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    Here is a detection near laptop (0:42), it looks like a very small number of ions, but they are positive.

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    Moved to Pseudo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BorisBoris View Post
    Here is a detection near laptop (0:42), it looks like a very small number of ions, but they are positive.

    And what exactly is the reliability of a devices like that?
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    I think It could have some connection with climate changes
    Yep, looks like I was right...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BorisBoris View Post
    Here is a detection near laptop (0:42), it looks like a very small number of ions, but they are positive.
    Well, the air ion tester exists. Here is the website for it.Mini Air Ion Tester

    What is unclear is what it detects and how.

    In fact, this notion that an excess of +ve ions is associated with headaches, and an excess of -ve ions makes one feel good, has been around for quite a while. I am not sure if it is snake oil or if there may be something behind it.

    It is possible to have an slight imbalance, if there is an ion generating source that releases either anions or cations to the air and the opposite charge to the ground. Obviously the ions will then migrate to the ground and be neutralised, so one would need a constant source of them to maintain an excess population. One story I have heard is that thundery weather may give people headaches due to and excess of +ve ions. (I'd always assumed it was just the "oppressiveness" of a warm humid air.)

    Does anyone know anything about this?
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    Headaches and thunderstorms are more likely to be linked by the relatively rapid changes in atmospheric pressure as storm systems pass.
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    Me and my sister both are prone to weather related headaches. It coincides for us to the shift in pressure as the westher front moves through/in. Usually one of us gets the headache about 1/2 a day before the other. Ive always attributed it to the pressure difference between the warm/cold fronts and the current conditions. Nothing at all to do with positive and negative ions, simple ear pressure related pain
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    It is well known since '80s https://www.nytimes.com/1981/10/06/s...al-states.html

    "Positive ions may be generated by hot winds, radio and television transmitters, ventilators or direct current power lines. For a number of years some people, to neutralize the allegedly deleterious effects of such ions, have installed negative ion generators in their homes or offices."
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    Just shows people have always spouted nonsense. Key words "may be generated" and "allegedly deleterious effects"... No firm evidence they are generated or have any effect or even if they are generated there is any link to health effects or anything else... You're really not good at joined up thinking are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BorisBoris View Post
    It is well known since '80s https://www.nytimes.com/1981/10/06/s...al-states.html

    "Positive ions may be generated by hot winds, radio and television transmitters, ventilators or direct current power lines. For a number of years some people, to neutralize the allegedly deleterious effects of such ions, have installed negative ion generators in their homes or offices."
    Itd not been KNOWN since the 80's. Its been spread by snake oil salesmen wanting to make money off gullable people since the 80's

    What exactly is umclear to you Boris, about this being pseudoscience bullshittery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Just shows people have always spouted nonsense. Key words "may be generated" and "allegedly deleterious effects"... No firm evidence they are generated or have any effect or even if they are generated there is any link to health effects or anything else... You're really not good at joined up thinking are you?
    It can't be half generated nad half not, some winds create ions and some others do not, but transmitters always do the same, just as power lines.

    And we know that power lines emit ions, that is a fact. So it must be fact (or not) also for transmitters...

    And these are the facts:
    - High level of positive ions increases level of air pollution (by reducing number of negative ions) and also affects cloud condenzation, which is a direct link to global warming...

    When the ionization in the atmosphere changes, the number of cloud condensation nuclei changes affecting the properties of clouds.

    More cloud condensation nuclei mean more clouds and a colder climate, and vice-versa.
    https://www.science20.com/news_staff...studies-229235
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    Again, more practice at thinking needed for you... I'm bored with your nonsense.
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    There isnt any spikes in climate pattern change along power line corridors though. If there was the columbia basin in Washington/Oregon/Idaho/British Columbia would have seen massive climate shift over 70 years ago. It didnt
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    Quote Originally Posted by BorisBoris View Post
    And these are the facts:
    - High level of positive ions increases level of air pollution
    Citation needed.
    So far as I can find you've got this exactly reversed. It's the presence of particulate matter in the air that increases the number of positive ions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BorisBoris View Post
    But is it possible to detect it with ion counter?
    Sure. Every substance has naturally occurring ions. Water has H+ and OH- ions. Air has N2+ and N2- ions. Normal radio signals do not cause them. UV radiation (i.e. sunlight) can. Both are somewhat destructive because they are more reactive than nonionized forms of the same molecules.
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    What are "normal radio signals"?

    In many high voltage applications, corona is an unwanted side effect. Corona discharge from high voltage electric power transmission lines constitutes an economically significant waste of energy for utilities. In high voltage equipment like Cathode Ray Tube televisions,radio transmitters, X-ray machines, and particle accelerators the current leakage caused by coronas can constitute an unwanted load on the circuit.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_discharge
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    Quote Originally Posted by BorisBoris View Post
    What are "normal radio signals"?

    In many high voltage applications, corona is an unwanted side effect. Corona discharge from high voltage electric power transmission lines constitutes an economically significant waste of energy for utilities. In high voltage equipment like Cathode Ray Tube televisions,radio transmitters, X-ray machines, and particle accelerators the current leakage caused by coronas can constitute an unwanted load on the circuit.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_discharge
    Normal radio signals are not corona discharges.
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    Point being?
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    How weak microwave radiation increases pH level of water (it's easy to detect)?

    https://www.hindawi.com/journals/aot/2017/5260912/
    http://www.jpier.org/PIERC/pierc11/11.09092105.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by BorisBoris View Post
    How weak microwave radiation increases pH level of water (it's easy to detect)?

    https://www.hindawi.com/journals/aot/2017/5260912/
    http://www.jpier.org/PIERC/pierc11/11.09092105.pdf
    Bullshit. Heating water will ionise more H+, so the pH will fall, not rise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BorisBoris View Post
    How weak microwave radiation increases pH level of water (it's easy to detect)?

    https://www.hindawi.com/journals/aot/2017/5260912/
    http://www.jpier.org/PIERC/pierc11/11.09092105.pdf
    Not quite true.
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