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    I think is quite interesting for scholars, that Buddha did mention next in many Pali suttas mention many cycles of expansion and contraction of the world, for example in DN 1 he mention that it can be realized through mental concentration:

    “Herein, bhikkhus, a certain recluse or brahmin, by means of ardour, endeavour, application, diligence, and right reflection, attains to such a degree of mental concentration that with his mind thus concentrated he recollects his numerous past lives: that is, (he recollects his past lives throughout) one aeon of world-contraction and expansion, throughout two, three, four, five, or ten aeons of world-contraction and expansion. (He recalls ‘Then I had such a name, belonged to such a clan, had such an appearance; such was my food, such my experience of pleasure and pain, such my span of life. Passing away thence, I re-arose there. There too I had such a name, belonged to such a clan, had such an appearance; such was my food, such my experience of pleasure and pain, such my span of life. Passing away thence, I re-arose here.’ Thus he recollects his numerous past lives in their modes and their details.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kheminda View Post
    I think is quite interesting for scholars, that Buddha did mention next in many Pali suttas mention many cycles of expansion and contraction of the world, for example in DN 1 he mention that it can be realized through mental concentration:

    “Herein, bhikkhus, a certain recluse or brahmin, by means of ardour, endeavour, application, diligence, and right reflection, attains to such a degree of mental concentration that with his mind thus concentrated he recollects his numerous past lives: that is, (he recollects his past lives throughout) one aeon of world-contraction and expansion, throughout two, three, four, five, or ten aeons of world-contraction and expansion. (He recalls ‘Then I had such a name, belonged to such a clan, had such an appearance; such was my food, such my experience of pleasure and pain, such my span of life. Passing away thence, I re-arose there. There too I had such a name, belonged to such a clan, had such an appearance; such was my food, such my experience of pleasure and pain, such my span of life. Passing away thence, I re-arose here.’ Thus he recollects his numerous past lives in their modes and their details.
    This is not science and certainly does not belong in the Astronomy & Cosmology section. Seems more like meaningless bilge, in fact. Reported.


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    Why moved it in pseudoscience instead of religion section?
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    I think is quite interesting for scholars, that Buddha did mention next in many Pali suttas mention many cycles of expansion and contraction of the world, for example in DN 1 he mention that it can be realized through mental concentration:

    “Herein, bhikkhus, a certain recluse or brahmin, by means of ardour, endeavour, application, diligence, and right reflection, attains to such a degree of mental concentration that with his mind thus concentrated he recollects his numerous past lives: that is, (he recollects his past lives throughout) one aeon of world-contraction and expansion, throughout two, three, four, five, or ten aeons of world-contraction and expansion. (He recalls ‘Then I had such a name, belonged to such a clan, had such an appearance; such was my food, such my experience of pleasure and pain, such my span of life. Passing away thence, I re-arose there. There too I had such a name, belonged to such a clan, had such an appearance; such was my food, such my experience of pleasure and pain, such my span of life. Passing away thence, I re-arose here.’ Thus he recollects his numerous past lives in their modes and their details.
    This is not science and certainly does not belong in the Astronomy & Cosmology section. Seems more like meaningless bilge, in fact. Reported.
    Yes this is a problem of many modern scholars, only few are interestied in religion-science dialogue and finding parallels. Most are just close they eyes and ears.
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    The thing with the passages is, they have absolutely no detail or specifics. They are much more like a fortune cookie or horoscope, they are purposefully vague enough that anyone can read into them anything they want to.

    The passage you posted say absolutely nothing about early universe cosmology. and one can only read that into it if they actively force it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    The thing with the passages is, they have absolutely no detail or specifics. They are much more like a fortune cookie or horoscope, they are purposefully vague enough that anyone can read into them anything they want to.

    The passage you posted say absolutely nothing about early universe cosmology. and one can only read that into it if they actively force it.
    Actually this passage is very clear, this passage explain that big bang is cycling thing, sometimes our universe expand and sometimes it go back to starting point. I can give you more quotes here from pali canon:
    "B h ik k h u s, there are these four incalcu lab le divisions of an
    eon. W h at four?
    (1) "T h e tim e during which an eon dissolves, w;hich cannot
    easily be calculated as 'so m any years' or 'so m an y hundreds
    of y ears' or 'so m any thousands of y ears' or 'so m an y hundreds
    of thou san d s of y e a rs
    (2) "T h e tim e during which an eon rem ain s in a state of dissolution, which cannot easily be calculated as "so m any years'
    or 'so m any hundreds of y ears' or 'so m any thousands of years'
    or 'so m any hundreds of thousands of years.'
    (3) "The time during w hich an eon evolves, which cannot
    easily be calculated as 'so m any years' or 'so m any hundreds
    of years' or 'so m any thousands of years' or 'so m any hundreds
    of thousands of y e a rs
    (4) "The time during w hich an eon rem ains in a state of evolution, which cannot easily be calculated as 'so m any years' or
    'so m any hundreds of years' or 'so m any thousands of years'
    or 'so m any hundreds of th ou san d s of years.'
    "These, bhikkhus, are the four incalculable divisions of an
    eon."

    But i think is better to give you full sutta of previous part that i mentioned i first post:

    https://suttacentral.net/en/dn1
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    No one's going to read it, it isn't science, some guy just made it up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kheminda View Post
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    I think is quite interesting for scholars, that Buddha did mention next in many Pali suttas mention many cycles of expansion and contraction of the world, for example in DN 1 he mention that it can be realized through mental concentration:

    “Herein, bhikkhus, a certain recluse or brahmin, by means of ardour, endeavour, application, diligence, and right reflection, attains to such a degree of mental concentration that with his mind thus concentrated he recollects his numerous past lives: that is, (he recollects his past lives throughout) one aeon of world-contraction and expansion, throughout two, three, four, five, or ten aeons of world-contraction and expansion. (He recalls ‘Then I had such a name, belonged to such a clan, had such an appearance; such was my food, such my experience of pleasure and pain, such my span of life. Passing away thence, I re-arose there. There too I had such a name, belonged to such a clan, had such an appearance; such was my food, such my experience of pleasure and pain, such my span of life. Passing away thence, I re-arose here.’ Thus he recollects his numerous past lives in their modes and their details.
    This is not science and certainly does not belong in the Astronomy & Cosmology section. Seems more like meaningless bilge, in fact. Reported.
    Yes this is a problem of many modern scholars, only few are interestied in religion-science dialogue and finding parallels. Most are just close they eyes and ears.
    If metaphysical ideas can be expressed in clear English, then many English-speaking scientists will take a polite interest.

    Properly educated scientists are well aware that science cannot go beyond what observations provide evidence for. It can be interesting to speculate further and certainly religions have historically provided people with metaphysical ideas about the world.
    But they are not science, because they are not rooted in objective observation.

    If you can re-express the ideas in your opening post to summarise clearly what they are, I would be interested to read them - as metaphysical speculation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kheminda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    The thing with the passages is, they have absolutely no detail or specifics. They are much more like a fortune cookie or horoscope, they are purposefully vague enough that anyone can read into them anything they want to.

    The passage you posted say absolutely nothing about early universe cosmology. and one can only read that into it if they actively force it.
    Actually this passage is very clear, this passage explain that big bang is cycling thing, sometimes our universe expand and sometimes it go back to starting point. (...)

    How would you check whether or not the universe has a history of expanding and contracting?
    "The only safe rule is to dispute only with those of your acquaintance of whom you know that they possess sufficient intelligence and self-respect not to advance absurdities; to appeal to reason and not to authority, and to listen to reason and yield to it; and, finally, to be willing to accept reason even from an opponent, and to be just enough to bear being proved to be in the wrong."

    ~ Arthur Schopenhauer, The Art of Being Right: 38 Ways to Win an Argument (1831), Stratagem XXXVIII.
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