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    Lets say that you built a black hole generating machine outside our solar system maybe in 500 years or so. ( a black hole generator was already made on earth, but the black holes where so tiny, It couldn't do anything)

    Lets say we create a black hole that exists for just a few minutes and disappears again.

    OK. After these assumptions it is very obvious what we can do with this.
    We are able to bend light. Now what should we do with a light-bending black hole-creating machine that costs most probably over 10.000billion dollars.

    we can bend all light from all stars, sending it with light speed to other planets, even better, If there are intelligent Lifeforms out there they maybe have thought about this and use this invention already, meaning If we find a rithmus in the movenment of the stars we have proof, maybe we can encode this.


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    SO what exactly are you trying to say?


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    We already emit radio waves at the speed of light and no extraterrestrial life has contacted us. Even at the speed of light it takes a long time to travel the galaxy and even light signal degrade. Also there are already rhythms to the movements of some stars, such as binary star systems and stars with orbiting planets "wobble" from the gravitational effects of their planets.
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    i do agree there is intelligent life in our universe, probably also in our galaxy. however any life, with the abilities you suggest, would have little use for our primitive intelligence.

    the principles of a BH, are the same for all matter under certain conditions. the BH we talk about in space are from very large masses, which take a very long time to dissolve or as said vaporize. i take exceptions to there effects on light or energy waves.

    keep in mind we have formed with certain observable limitations. how other life forms may have be more or less in these limitation. then its as possible life from elsewhere would see something completely different in a fly over of earth and be more interested in Jupiter or Saturn for there life styles. a stretch to make a point...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wonkothesane
    We already emit radio waves at the speed of light and no extraterrestrial life has contacted us. Even at the speed of light it takes a long time to travel the galaxy and even light signal degrade. Also there are already rhythms to the movements of some stars, such as binary star systems and stars with orbiting planets "wobble" from the gravitational effects of their planets.
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    We already emit radio waves at the speed of light and no extraterrestrial life has contacted us.
    yes but radio waves degrade much faster than light over long distances, it will be unhearable after a few billion kilometers.

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    Even at the speed of light it takes a long time to travel the galaxy and even light signal degrade.
    yea, the light speed is always a problem, but the light signal will take a little longer to degrade than you think, we are talking about the light from whole stars some of the a hundred times bigger than our own.

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    Also there are already rhythms to the movements of some stars, such as binary star systems and stars with orbiting planets "wobble" from the gravitational effects of their planets.
    Yes this is exactly the interesting part about the story, I wanted to write it yesterday but I hadn't had the time. I'm sure that the most stars are distracted by their planets. Maybe we will find one with a rhythm and from there predict where the Intelligent lifeforms have sent the message.
    May be.

    I mean you don't have to build a machine to find the rhythm.



    however any life, with the abilities you suggest, would have little use for our primitive intelligence.
    I do not believe that we are primitive, we already suffer a fashion evolvation, also I believe it is more the absence of knowledge more than primitive.

    the principles of a BH, are the same for all matter under certain conditions. the BH we talk about in space are from very large masses, which take a very long time to dissolve or as said vaporize. i take exceptions to there effects on light or energy waves.
    I guessed that this would be the case, but this is also another point for the planet~star distraction this also takes a long time for the disortion to take place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miomaz

    yes but radio waves degrade much faster than light over long distances, it will be unhearable after a few billion kilometers.
    uh?


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    i wish i could agree, that to any society capable of creating a large BH in space, we are equals. factually were just beginning to understand some things, have no firm grip on most and incapable of discussion outside our viewpoint. additionally 99%+ of mankind has no idea what a BH is, even in concept. ask the next ten people you see in person; at what speed do we travel around the sun? i would bet most will say 50mph or less. not the 70,000 mph we do.....we are primitive.

    wonk; energies and light travels at 186,000 miles per second. this is pretty fast by any standard. the universe is a mighty big place, which may be the problem. with out a reason (mass of some kind) EME, which include radio waves, do not degrade or lose speed.

    we take in wave sounds every day in a number of ways, from unknown sources and from unknown places. if there is a meaning we have no idea what and look only for what we understand. the problem is understanding what you hear. its said dogs and some other animals hear things we do not. the same should be for life that no doubt formed and evolved in much a different process.
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    miomaz is talking about what Carl Sagan called a Type II or Type III civilisation, which is able to manipulate whole clusters of stars. As we observe there appear to be no stars or star groups sending signals. Unfortunately I don't know whether Sagan concluded that there were no such super-advanced civilisations.

    For myself, I suspect Millisecond Pulsars. But there does not appear to be any morse code being sent out by artificial black holes.
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    Don't forget that the light that we see is a little... very old.

    What I meant with the radio waves, is that they are not anymore clear, they will be very blurry and ununderstandable.
    We use Huge Radio Empfängers(english?) to "listen" to these radio signals from Space.

    To tell you the truth, I have no idea who Carl Sagan is, but Im honored to hold the same idea as he.

    I have also noticed another advantage. For other galaxies on other positions of the 4 spatial dimension light will be also bent.
    This is also the only way to contact beeings on higher dimensions (not meening that the creature is in a higher dimenional state, but on another position, but still 3d).
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    Quote Originally Posted by miomaz
    Don't forget that the light that we see is a little... very old.
    No not old, just emitted a long time ago.


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    What I meant with the radio waves, is that they are not anymore clear, they will be very blurry and ununderstandable.
    No, not blurred, weak (in terms of field strength) - like a torch the further away the beam shines the wider the area the light is dispersed over BUT it is still the same amount of energy overall.

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    We use Huge Radio Empfängers(english?) to "listen" to these radio signals from Space.
    Dish, or Antenna though dish is more appropriate

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    To tell you the truth, I have no idea who Carl Sagan is, but Im honored to hold the same idea as he.
    An american Science fiction writer with some scientific background - some think of him as a god- I don't.
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    the light that gives us a view of places in space is by any standard, very old. any galaxy we see clearly, through Hubble or any source may in fact not be there today. most our observations of anything are in fact based on these things that were, long before mankind and in most before our solar system was here.

    contact or communication from other intelligent life will have to come from them, if it happens for a very long time. science fiction has a good time with this idea, but any practical means is a long way off. as we do from unwanted phone call, email or a post, a return message depends on desire to make conversation with a knowledge or understanding of the message. to other life, anything we could do could be as meaningful as ants trying to communicate with man. any effort meaningless...

    Mega; since this is in PS, i think you joining with Mike on light or energy expansion. w/o giving a view on the theory, i might suggest reality is the opposite. (well, guess that is a view). our sight is given from the our suns energy as the effects are from a rather large portion, compared to what some one 5k light years away. we in turn see our neighbor, even w/o equipment, but the energy is from a very little bit of that star. although the light or energy per unit is the same, by the time it reaches distant objects the totals are reduced rather than from expansion. put another way our suns energy is from say .000001 % of the surface and that neighbor is getting rays come from .000001 to the 500th power. before you argue the point, since i understand its arguable, do you understand my thought...

    in re-reading i am not saying it shrinks but is the same but from less a source...
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    Light does not 'age' so no matter how long ago a photon was emitted it is still brand new, if this were not the case and light 'deteriorated' then we would not see images of galaxies where they were x million/billion years ago.

    I am not joining with anybody, I saw what I believe are flaws/errors in a post and offered corrections.

    As for communicating with 'extraterrestrials' I see no hard evidence they exist, I see no evidence of any 'inexplicable' communications, it used to be that people thought they lived on Mars or some other planet in our system, this was finally put to rest in the 60's/70's - then it was lets send them signals - no response, now it's maybe they use another medium, or 'maybe they won't talk to us' - somehow people really want to believe ET exist and produce really elaborate explanations from nothing to 'prove' they do! - Whether they exist or not and [if they do] what their intelligence level is or might be, is pure speculation. It's like saying there's so mush sand in the universe that somewhere there must be a grain that is a perfect miniature replica of the eiffel tower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Light does not 'age' so no matter how long ago a photon was emitted it is still brand new, if this were not the case and light 'deteriorated' then we would not see images of galaxies where they were x million/billion years ago.

    I am not joining with anybody, I saw what I believe are flaws/errors in a post and offered corrections.

    As for communicating with 'extraterrestrials' I see no hard evidence they exist, I see no evidence of any 'inexplicable' communications, it used to be that people thought they lived on Mars or some other planet in our system, this was finally put to rest in the 60's/70's - then it was lets send them signals - no response, now it's maybe they use another medium, or 'maybe they won't talk to us' - somehow people really want to believe ET exist and produce really elaborate explanations from nothing to 'prove' they do! - Whether they exist or not and [if they do] what their intelligence level is or might be, is pure speculation. It's like saying there's so mush sand in the universe that somewhere there must be a grain that is a perfect miniature replica of the eiffel tower.
    Yep, if light DID experience time then we'd most likely have to wash it by the time it arrived here in order to see it.
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