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    Consciousness and substance are mutually connected with.Without consciousness substance is useless.Substance has weight,colour,size but without consciousness these properties are useless.The origin of substance is origin of consciousness.If there is no substance or space there is no need of consciousness.Consciousness is like a shadow to the substance.Consciousness contains information about the substance.
    The life on our planet derives fom this interaction between substance and consciousness.If there is planet with similar conditions of living we may suppose that there is life on it.The consciousness influence the substance,I do not know how, but is the reason for the life on earth.Consciousness is like a program which drives substance toward living organism.


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    Quote Originally Posted by georgi_zlatev View Post
    Consciousness and substance are mutually connected with.
    How?
    With what?

    Without consciousness substance is useless.
    Agreed.
    But there's no necessity for "substance" to be useful.

    The origin of substance is origin of consciousness.
    Inasmuch as they both "originated" from the Big Bang, yeah.

    Consciousness contains information about the substance.
    Or not.

    The life on our planet derives fom this interaction between substance and consciousness.If there is planet with similar conditions of living we may suppose that there is life on it.The consciousness influence the substance,I do not know how, but is the reason for the life on earth.Consciousness is like a program which drives substance toward living organism.
    You aren't doing biology (or science or even philosophy 1) here.
    You last sentence sounds like you're working toward some argument for "god".

    Better suited to Personal Theories rather than Biology.

    1 You've not only not provided any evidence you haven't even made supporting arguments.


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    Moderator Action: Unfounded speculation. Moved to pseudoscience. If you want it moved into Personal Hypotheses then provide some evidence for your speculation.
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    The consciousness is opposite to substance.The consciousness is opposite characterization to substance.The consciousness and substance appeared simultaneously with the Big Bang.
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    Define consciousness.
    I know of no evidence that consciousness, as I understand it, existed at the initiation of the Big Bang. Please provide such evidence.
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    If there is no consciousness how you will understand that something is substance?The consciousness is from other dimension of the Universe and for that reason the consciousness hardly could be define.
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    I'm sure you think this makes sense... unfortunately it doesn't, it is incoherent babbling
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    Quote Originally Posted by georgi_zlatev View Post
    If there is no consciousness how you will understand that something is substance?The consciousness is from other dimension of the Universe and for that reason the consciousness hardly could be define.
    I will not be able to understand that there is substance, but the existence of the substance is not contingent on on my understanding.

    Is this some simplified version of the observer collapsing the wave-form of the universe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by georgi_zlatev View Post
    Consciousness and substance are mutually connected with.Without consciousness substance is useless.Substance has weight,colour,size but without consciousness these properties are useless.The origin of substance is origin of consciousness.If there is no substance or space there is no need of consciousness.Consciousness is like a shadow to the substance.Consciousness contains information about the substance.
    The life on our planet derives fom this interaction between substance and consciousness.If there is planet with similar conditions of living we may suppose that there is life on it.The consciousness influence the substance,I do not know how, but is the reason for the life on earth.Consciousness is like a program which drives substance toward living organism.

    The sentence high-lighted in bold, is the only one I agree with. I have no idea how the concepts of 'consciousness' and 'substance' come into the picture of abiogenesis. Would it be foolish to hope that this thread is going to be as interesting as the thread started by member Quantum Immortal?
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    I do not understand the question.My English is not very good.Can you explain it simplier?
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    The question is for John Galt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by georgi_zlatev View Post
    The consciousness is opposite to substance.The consciousness is opposite characterization to substance.
    This is meaningless.
    "Opposite" in what sense?

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    If there is no consciousness how you will understand that something is substance?
    So what?
    If we hadn't invented football no one would be able to play it.
    That doesn't mean, in any way, that football is a necessary consequence of anything.

    The consciousness is from other dimension of the Universe
    What?
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    Quote Originally Posted by georgi_zlatev View Post
    I do not understand the question.My English is not very good.Can you explain it simplier?
    Why do you think that there has to be consciousness for something (substance) to exist? That view seems like an opinion, not a fact. If you think it is a fact you have to prove it, not just say that it is so.

    I hope that is clearer.
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