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Thread: Is oil the life blood of the planet?

  1. #1 Is oil the life blood of the planet? 
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    I am not sure where to place this thread, so I am placing it in the general discussion section.

    Have you ever wondered, what is the purpose of oil made by the planet?

    I am sure there has to be some scientific research done on what impact oil has on the planet. I have not found any credible explanation as to why the planet has produced oil or what does planet earth convert oil into while it is in the soil. I do have some questions of my own, and hope some of you scientists will explain what you know about my questions.

    What impact does natural crude oil have on the planet, and subsequently on the human body?
    Can the planet survive with oil gone out of the soil, and burnt in the air?
    What happens to the remaining cavities created from removing the oil?
    If oil is so potent in energy, what happens to the energy when it is in the ground? Into what is it transformed?
    If dead humans, plants and animals are what oil is made of, are we not made from oil?
    Our bodies cannot function without the substances we call blood, what is the equivalent of blood for the planet.

    In my mind I cannot conceive of the planet making such a product like oil that can be easily removed without some sort of recognition from the planet itself. If we know the purpose of oil for the planet, there has to be a point when we realize that we have removed too much of it. If we do not know the purpose of oil for the planet, there has to be a point where we stop removing it, even in the name of common sense. Is it possible to define this point of danger?

    Please give some feedback as to what you think, or know on the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    Have you ever wondered, what is the purpose of oil made by the planet?
    What makes you think it has a "purpose"?

    If oil is so potent in energy, what happens to the energy when it is in the ground?
    What?

    Our bodies cannot function without the substances we call blood, what is the equivalent of blood for the planet.
    Since the Earth is not a living organism it doesn't need blood or an equivalent.

    Please give some feedback
    Your entire premise is, as usual, based on gross ignorance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    Please give some feedback . . .
    Thanks.
    OK:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
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    Please give some feedback . . .
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    OK:

    What smells like bullshit, your reply?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    Have you ever wondered, what is the purpose of oil made by the planet?
    No.

    There is no purpose for oil. Just likes there is no purpose for coal, natural gas, peat, trees, uranium, wind, rivers, tides, sunlight. These are just energy sources.

    And your goofy posts serve no purpose on a science forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    I am not sure where to place this thread, so I am placing it in the general discussion section.
    That's great. Subject us to your nonsense.

    Why don't you put this into a blog on your own website? That way people can read it there and you don't have to mess up a good forum with your woo-poo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
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    Have you ever wondered, what is the purpose of oil made by the planet?
    No.

    There is no purpose for oil. Just likes there is no purpose for coal, natural gas, peat, trees, uranium, wind, rivers, tides, sunlight. These are just energy sources.

    And your goofy posts serve no purpose on a science forum.
    Are you saying there is no purpose for anything, they were created for no reason? I guess you would say the same for humans? Maybe you are right, I hope you are not going to take your life knowing there is no purpose to feed yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    Are you saying there is no purpose for anything, they were created for no reason?
    There is no scientific evidence at all that anything you listed was created.

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    I guess you would say the same for humans?
    Of course. Who would be silly enough to look at the actual evidence and conclude otherwise?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    Are you saying there is no purpose for anything, they were created for no reason? I guess you would say the same for humans? Maybe you are right, I hope you are not going to take your life knowing there is no purpose to feed yourself.
    More of your drivel. I'm not going to get into a pointless debate with you. I've seen you in action on this forum. You never make any sense. Eventually you will get suspended again -- now that is purposeful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stonecutter View Post
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    Are you saying there is no purpose for anything, they were created for no reason?
    There is no scientific evidence at all that anything you listed was created.

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    I guess you would say the same for humans?
    Of course. Who would be silly enough to look at the actual evidence and conclude otherwise?
    stonecutter, don't get hung up trying to converse with this guy -- it is pointless. Take a look at his posting history -- it is 99% BS.
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    I vote this thread goes into the trash can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
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    I am not sure where to place this thread, so I am placing it in the general discussion section.
    That's great. Subject us to your nonsense.

    Why don't you put this into a blog on your own website? That way people can read it there and you don't have to mess up a good forum with your woo-poo.
    Can you answer even one of the questions without driveling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
    I vote this thread goes into the trash can.
    Just answer one of my questions, what happens to the cavities after the oil is extracted, show you can rise above your insecurities and give an answer. I will not bother you after this since you are so knowledgeable, I hope you are not just a follower like the sheep. After you have answered the question I will voluntarily to go in the trash can just to make you happy, how about that, wise guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    I am not sure where to place this thread, so I am placing it in the general discussion section.
    That's great. Subject us to your nonsense.

    Why don't you put this into a blog on your own website? That way people can read it there and you don't have to mess up a good forum with your woo-poo.
    Can you answer even one of the questions without driveling?
    You also don't read well -- which doesn't surprise me at all. I already answered your "main" question -- you know, the stupid question you asked in the OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    I will voluntarily to go in the trash can just to make you happy, how about that, wise guy.
    Make me real happy and bypass the trash can, go out the forum door, and don't return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
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    I will voluntarily to go in the trash can just to make you happy, how about that, wise guy.
    Make me real happy and bypass the trash can, go out the forum door, and don't return.
    So tell me, what happens to the cavities wen the oil is removed, don't follow your head its not working, follow your heart if you have one.
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    Guys don't feed the troll.
    Sorry. I made that mistake. My fault.

    (He's a persistent troll, isn't he? 1700+ troll posts.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
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    I will voluntarily to go in the trash can just to make you happy, how about that, wise guy.
    Make me real happy and bypass the trash can, go out the forum door, and don't return.
    Don't worry I am not going anywhere, I am too tough for your understanding. Simply words do not have enough energy to shift my capacity. Try answering the questions if you are a man or even a woman, if you are just a thing, then I will excuse your ignorance.
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    Just shows how patient the mods can be...
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    Just shows how patient the mods can be...
    Yeah, I think the mods/admins here are very patient. It's unbelievable that some members (I won't mention names) think otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
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    Just shows how patient the mods can be...
    Yeah, I think the mods/admins here are very patient. It's unbelievable that some members (I won't mention names) think otherwise.
    So you cannot answer the question? I did not think you could, you are too busy trying to follow the other followers, something like blind leading the blind. Come on chicken, what happens to the cavities when the oil is removed? Are they filled with water, oil, gas, what? I really do not know, I am as ignorant as a bat, that is why I am asking you intelligent dodging followers. Go man I have goggled and have not come up with anything to explain what happens to the cavities when the earth begins to move. I think you would have exposed yourself to be a sheep if you do not answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
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    Just shows how patient the mods can be...
    Yeah, I think the mods/admins here are very patient. It's unbelievable that some members (I won't mention names) think otherwise.
    So you cannot answer the question? I did not think you could, you are too busy trying to follow the other followers, something like blind leading the blind. Come on chicken, what happens to the cavities when the oil is removed? Are they filled with water, oil, gas, what? I really do not know, I am as ignorant as a bat, that is why I am asking you intelligent dodging followers. Go man I have goggled and have not come up with anything to explain what happens to the cavities when the earth begins to move. I think you would have exposed yourself to be a sheep if you do not answer.
    There is huge amounts of rocks stone and sand above the oil fields and as the oil is taken out the land will be sinking somewhat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
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    Just shows how patient the mods can be...
    Yeah, I think the mods/admins here are very patient. It's unbelievable that some members (I won't mention names) think otherwise.
    So you cannot answer the question? I did not think you could, you are too busy trying to follow the other followers, something like blind leading the blind. Come on chicken, what happens to the cavities when the oil is removed? Are they filled with water, oil, gas, what? I really do not know, I am as ignorant as a bat, that is why I am asking you intelligent dodging followers. Go man I have goggled and have not come up with anything to explain what happens to the cavities when the earth begins to move. I think you would have exposed yourself to be a sheep if you do not answer.
    There is huge amounts of rocks stone and sand above the oil fields and as the oil is taken out the land will be sinking somewhat.
    Thank you Rob, finally someone who think my question is worth answering. Do you know how long such a task take to refill? I know it will depend on the size of the cavity, but is there any scientific research on how that goes?
    What happens to the oil if it is not removed? Does it seep back into the soil? More power to you Rob, I really do not know the answer to the questions I possed, I can only guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
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    Just shows how patient the mods can be...
    Yeah, I think the mods/admins here are very patient. It's unbelievable that some members (I won't mention names) think otherwise.
    So you cannot answer the question? I did not think you could, you are too busy trying to follow the other followers, something like blind leading the blind. Come on chicken, what happens to the cavities when the oil is removed? Are they filled with water, oil, gas, what? I really do not know, I am as ignorant as a bat, that is why I am asking you intelligent dodging followers. Go man I have goggled and have not come up with anything to explain what happens to the cavities when the earth begins to move. I think you would have exposed yourself to be a sheep if you do not answer.
    There is huge amounts of rocks stone and sand above the oil fields and as the oil is taken out the land will be sinking somewhat.
    Thank you Rob, finally someone who think my question is worth answering. Do you know how long such a task take to refill? I know it will depend on the size of the cavity, but is there any scientific research on how that goes?
    What happens to the oil if it is not removed? Does it seep back into the soil? More power to you Rob, I really do not know the answer to the questions I posed, I can only guess.
    As far as I know the reason oil forms in certain places was that it got held there by an impermeable layer that covered the organic rich layer of sediment below it. So won't seep into the soil in these regions but everywhere else it has just dissipated. Where the land doesn't collapse the oil would need pumping out. In these situation the cavity would be filled with underground water.
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    Look Stargate, you found a friend: RobbbityBob. Maybe you both can wander over to this forum. I hear (from its owner) that it is quite a wonderful place.

    Free forum : BreakAwayForum

    It's a woo site. Try it. You'll like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
    Look Stargate, you found a friend: RobbbityBob. Maybe you both can wander over to this forum. I hear (from its owner) that it is quite a wonderful place.

    Free forum : BreakAwayForum

    It's a woo site. Try it. You'll like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
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    Just shows how patient the mods can be...
    Yeah, I think the mods/admins here are very patient. It's unbelievable that some members (I won't mention names) think otherwise.
    So you cannot answer the question? I did not think you could, you are too busy trying to follow the other followers, something like blind leading the blind. Come on chicken, what happens to the cavities when the oil is removed? Are they filled with water, oil, gas, what? I really do not know, I am as ignorant as a bat, that is why I am asking you intelligent dodging followers. Go man I have goggled and have not come up with anything to explain what happens to the cavities when the earth begins to move. I think you would have exposed yourself to be a sheep if you do not answer.
    There is huge amounts of rocks stone and sand above the oil fields and as the oil is taken out the land will be sinking somewhat.
    Thank you Rob, finally someone who think my question is worth answering. Do you know how long such a task take to refill? I know it will depend on the size of the cavity, but is there any scientific research on how that goes?
    What happens to the oil if it is not removed? Does it seep back into the soil? More power to you Rob, I really do not know the answer to the questions I possed, I can only guess.
    Soil? Suggest you do some basic reading about where oil is found.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
    Look Stargate, you found a friend: RobbbityBob. Maybe you both can wander over to this forum. I hear (from its owner) that it is quite a wonderful place.

    Free forum : BreakAwayForum

    It's a woo site. Try it. You'll like it.
    You are just a chicken you have no knowledge, you have no communication skills and you are very jealous of RobbityBob, he is much more capable than you. Watch out the people are beginning to know you are a faker whose main habit is to follow the pack for lack of self knowledge. I guess you can run but you cannot hide. You can go back to sleep now, you are not needed anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
    stonecutter, don't get hung up trying to converse with this guy -- it is pointless. Take a look at his posting history -- it is 99% BS.
    I don't bother trying to debate anti-science bullies like stargate. Though I do like to remind them every now and then that no-one learned is taking a bite of the shit sandwich they're offering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
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    Just shows how patient the mods can be...
    Yeah, I think the mods/admins here are very patient. It's unbelievable that some members (I won't mention names) think otherwise.
    So you cannot answer the question? I did not think you could, you are too busy trying to follow the other followers, something like blind leading the blind. Come on chicken, what happens to the cavities when the oil is removed? Are they filled with water, oil, gas, what? I really do not know, I am as ignorant as a bat, that is why I am asking you intelligent dodging followers. Go man I have goggled and have not come up with anything to explain what happens to the cavities when the earth begins to move. I think you would have exposed yourself to be a sheep if you do not answer.
    There is huge amounts of rocks stone and sand above the oil fields and as the oil is taken out the land will be sinking somewhat.
    Thank you Rob, finally someone who think my question is worth answering. Do you know how long such a task take to refill? I know it will depend on the size of the cavity, but is there any scientific research on how that goes?
    What happens to the oil if it is not removed? Does it seep back into the soil? More power to you Rob, I really do not know the answer to the questions I possed, I can only guess.
    Soil? Suggest you do some basic reading about where oil is found.
    soil or sedimentary covering. It is the stuff washed down rivers into seas and oceans. Sand, clay, soil, gravel and vegetation.
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    Here is what Stargate is all about. I took a look thru this thread. Wow. It's not only me that dislikes Stargate's posting style.

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    I think you have some good arguments, but it get battered because you have joined forces with wanna-bees, and have lowered your standards in the pursuit of verbal group rape, be it male or female.
    Now you've really torn it. We've tolerated your non-science, anti-critical thinking posts with ever decreasing patience.

    Trivialising rape is a very nasty cherry on a fetid sundae.

    You get a fortnight off. Learn to think and speak better during your break.
    He hasn't learned a damn thing. Not unexpected though, considering the woo-head and crank that he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
    Here is what Stargate is all about. I took a look thru this thread. Wow. It's not only me that dislikes Stargate's posting style.

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    Stargate

    I think you have some good arguments, but it get battered because you have joined forces with wanna-bees, and have lowered your standards in the pursuit of verbal group rape, be it male or female.
    Now you've really torn it. We've tolerated your non-science, anti-critical thinking posts with ever decreasing patience.

    Trivialising rape is a very nasty cherry on a fetid sundae.

    You get a fortnight off. Learn to think and speak better during your break.
    He hasn't learned a damn thing. Not unexpected though, considering the woo-head and crank that he is.
    Say all you want I am more than you can handle, you can't even achieve a suspension because you have no gall to challenge anyone, you have to bring other people in to your rescue to validate your stupidity. At least I challenge your very limited mind and as it seems your are overloaded. You cannot argue your point so you think anybody like RobbityBob1 who is far more intelligent than you is not OK. You sound like a kid who has not really grown up and can hold it's own. Sorry man, I have met a lot like you on this forum, not worth the attention, too much of the stuff keeps you ignorant. That's enough for me, thank you.
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    stargate, what do you think happens to all the other cavities left by people mining below the surface or by water wearing rocks away beneath the surface.

    There are only 3 options.
    The cavity remains in much the same way as caves do.
    The cavity is filled with water seeping in, or flooding in, from surrounding rock.
    The rock above collapses and the cavity fills that way.

    As for oil being a "life" force. Do you know what oil actually is? It's dead stuff. It's the remains of ocean critters which have been compressed over millions of years by a particular process of accumulating sedimentation and the subsequent pressure applied.

    Here's the wiki. Read it before you do or say anything more on the topic. Petroleum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    stargate, what do you think happens to all the other cavities left by people mining below the surface or by water wearing rocks away beneath the surface.

    There are only 3 options.
    The cavity remains in much the same way as caves do.
    The cavity is filled with water seeping in, or flooding in, from surrounding rock.
    The rock above collapses and the cavity fills that way.

    As for oil being a "life" force. Do you know what oil actually is? It's dead stuff. It's the remains of ocean critters which have been compressed over millions of years by a particular process of accumulating sedimentation and the subsequent pressure applied.

    Here's the wiki. Read it before you do or say anything more on the topic. Petroleum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Adelady, with all due respect as a moderator, I have been on the forum for quite some time now, I ask those question because I want to hear the opinions of the participants on the forum. Those were questions, meaning I wanted someone to give me information on the question, asking a question usually means one expects an answer. I do not know what really happens to the cavities, and all the other questions I asked, they are simply open to what ever knowledge is out there. I do not know what to believe anymore in terms of what I read, even if you do, so when I come to the forum I get a sense of feedback.

    I am told I should not criticize a moderator on a thread, but to go to a place provided for that type of thing. However you have demonstrated in the way you have chosen to address me a lack of respecting your own rules and shows a insensitive, incompetent side of your command of the forum. I can assure you I have a very think skin as you can attest to, but I am deeply saddened at your approach to another forum member as a moderator. I could move on and forget everything I have experienced on the forum, but I think the standards have sunken so low, that I am willing to make space for someone who is more capable of understanding the science forum.

    You may think because I am not scientifically based as you are, it gives you the right to underestimate others and loose yourself, I would say in your inflated ego. Well I am here and going no where so press button, the only power you think you have and suspend me. The forum is already in problems, as I am sure you are experiencing, soon you will have to suspend everyone. OK press the button, "now".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
    Here is what Stargate is all about. I took a look thru this thread. Wow. It's not only me that dislikes Stargate's posting style.

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    Stargate

    I think you have some good arguments, but it get battered because you have joined forces with wanna-bees, and have lowered your standards in the pursuit of verbal group rape, be it male or female.
    Now you've really torn it. We've tolerated your non-science, anti-critical thinking posts with ever decreasing patience.

    Trivialising rape is a very nasty cherry on a fetid sundae.

    You get a fortnight off. Learn to think and speak better during your break.
    He hasn't learned a damn thing. Not unexpected though, considering the woo-head and crank that he is.
    Chuck,
    If you have a problem with another member, let the moderators handle the situation. We don't like to see members attacking one another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
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    Here is what Stargate is all about. I took a look thru this thread. Wow. It's not only me that dislikes Stargate's posting style.

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    Stargate

    I think you have some good arguments, but it get battered because you have joined forces with wanna-bees, and have lowered your standards in the pursuit of verbal group rape, be it male or female.
    Now you've really torn it. We've tolerated your non-science, anti-critical thinking posts with ever decreasing patience.

    Trivialising rape is a very nasty cherry on a fetid sundae.

    You get a fortnight off. Learn to think and speak better during your break.
    He hasn't learned a damn thing. Not unexpected though, considering the woo-head and crank that he is.
    Chuck,
    If you have a problem with another member, let the moderators handle the situation. We don't like to see members attacking one another.
    OK boss. Sorry. My fault.
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    Chuck, Stargate is not worth responding to, it just encourages him to troll. It is not even worth debunking his anti-science nonsense for the benefit of casual readers as it is obvious to even the greenest noob just how full of crap he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Chuck, Stargate is not worth responding to, it just encourages him to troll. It is not even worth debunking his anti-science nonsense for the benefit of casual readers as it is obvious to even the greenest noob just how full of crap he is.
    Yes. I've learned a lesson here in this thread.

    Happy Sunday!
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    Why is there a purpose of wood, or precious metals?

    I don't think there is a purpose, unless one believes the world has been designed for human use, and animals millions of years ago lived and died so much later humans could discover crude oil and coal to use as fuel.
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    Besides plant, all multicellular evolved species from reptiles to birds and mammals all produce oils.

    Don't you notice that our skin becomes oily because of sebum secretion? All of living species have fats and lipids.

    We have the necessity of having fatty layers in case of long starving condition. During this condition our lipid layer or fat helps us by serving 9.3 kcal/ gm of fat.
    We use the vegetative oils for cooking purpose because vegetative oils are full of vitamin A, D and K.

    Plants produce oils as their secondary metabolites and excretory wastes and we use them according to our necessity in cooking, bio-fuels etc.

    But in case of the pea type plants they have a strong relation with soil bacteria mainly with the bacteria having nitrogen fixation activity. So, soil bacteria also play an essential role for plant development with their secondary metabolites along with their excretory products.

    So, the metagenomic study with soil DNA isolation give us a picture and an idea of soil living microorganisms and their effects, advantages and disadvantages on plants of that region.
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    Besides plant, all multicellular evolved species from reptiles to birds and mammals all produce oils.

    Don't you notice that our skin becomes oily because of sebum secretion? All of living species have fats and lipids.

    We have the necessity of having fatty layers in case of long starving condition. During this condition our lipid layer or fat helps us by serving 9.3 kcal/ gm of fat.
    We use the vegetative oils for cooking purpose because vegetative oils are full of vitamin A, D and K.

    Plants produce oils as their secondary metabolites and excretory wastes and we use them according to our necessity in cooking, bio-fuels etc.

    But in case of the pea type plants they have a strong relation with soil bacteria mainly with the bacteria having nitrogen fixation activity. So, soil bacteria also play an essential role for plant development with their secondary metabolites along with their excretory products.

    So, the metagenomic study with soil DNA isolation give us a picture and an idea of soil living microorganisms and their effects, advantages and disadvantages on plants of that region.
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