Thread: Quackery relocated from Health & Medicine

Originally Posted by exchemist

Originally Posted by Barry1

I agree with the previous poster that people who try to take advantage of others by making health claims (especially those that are completely off base) should be placed in jail. I am also interested in finding a more affordable way of getting my water back to the alkaline base point that I am aiming for.

But why are you aiming at an alkaline level for the water you drink, when there is no health benefit associated with it?

Majority of diseases are caused and are able to thrive inside of the body because of acidic levels. Too much acidity = not good. Too much alkaline = not good. There has to be a balance

"There is often misunderstanding of lemon’s pH outside the body versus inside the body.
Outside the body, lemon juice is acidic (pH is below 7). This is a non-issue. Everyone knows this. It’s a citrus fruit.
Inside the body however, when lemon juice has been fully metabolized and its minerals are dissociated in the bloodstream, its effect is alkalizing and therefore raises the pH of the blood (pH above 7 is alkaline). Please notice the difference."

Utter nonsense.

Wholeness. This is a science forum. If you want to post health and medicine information here, it will need to have some scientific basis.

I've also heard some people stating that lemon juice is acidic, but have an alkali effect on the body.
It was written in one of the comments for the youtube video someone posted on the 'water ionizing machine'.

alkali effect on the body?
i've tried wikipedia-ing it but i cant find data about it

but i love lemons <3

It's nonsense...

Originally Posted by wholeness

"There is often misunderstanding of lemon’s pH outside the body versus inside the body.
Outside the body, lemon juice is acidic (pH is below 7). This is a non-issue. Everyone knows this. It’s a citrus fruit.
Inside the body however, when lemon juice has been fully metabolized and its minerals are dissociated in the bloodstream, its effect is alkalizing and therefore raises the pH of the blood (pH above 7 is alkaline). Please notice the difference."

This, about what you eat affecting your blood pH is, to use a technical term, complete ballocks.

There are several mechanism that regulate blood pH very closely indeed, to a value of 7.4 +/- 0.02, including respiration and the action of the kidneys. If it were not so you would die.

What is also therefore nonsense is the idea that diseases thrive in the body when it is too acid. Because the body's acid/base balance does NOT alter. The charlatan (Robert O Young) responsible for making money out of this myth has been arrested and charged by the police: Robert O. Young - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by RamenNoodles

I've also heard some people stating that lemon juice is acidic, but have an alkali effect on the body.
It was written in one of the comments for the youtube video someone posted on the 'water ionizing machine'.

alkali effect on the body?
i've tried wikipedia-ing it but i cant find data about it

but i love lemons <3

That's rubbish too. See my other post about regulation of blood pH.

Originally Posted by exchemist

The charlatan (Robert O Young) responsible for making money out of this myth has been arrested and charged by the police: Robert O. Young - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is very interesting in its own right.I have never heard of such cases before.When I type in "arrested for charlatanism" ,admittedly just in quotes it brings up just one other case (even then it is "supposedly arrested for charlatanism" )

Mormons, Politics and Extra Ordinaries | Lincoln Cannon

People who think that the pH of foods and drinks has any direct relationship with the pH of blood should first have a very long hard look at the stomach. The acidity of gastric acids is 1.5 to 3.5 - remember vinegar and lemon juice are about 3.0 - and there are processes within the stomach to increase the production of these acids if needed as well as mechanisms in other parts of the digestive system to neutralise those acids if they should happen to get into the duodenum for example.

After the acids and enzymes have broken down the food and drink the nutrients are extracted and absorbed into the bloodstream, which is maintained at a steady, slightly alkaline, 7.4. What gets into the bloodstream is not identifiable as any given food - by then it's just chemicals. Whatever the pH of the original food and drink might have been is by now completely irrelevant - it might have affected how much gastric acid was or wasn't created to promote digestion during the process, but the result is just the production of chemicals suitable and ready for distribution by way of the bloodstream.

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Originally Posted by geordief

Originally Posted by exchemist

The charlatan (Robert O Young) responsible for making money out of this myth has been arrested and charged by the police: Robert O. Young - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is very interesting in its own right.I have never heard of such cases before.When I type in "arrested for charlatanism" ,admittedly just in quotes it brings up just one other case (even then it is "supposedly arrested for charlatanism" )

Mormons, Politics and Extra Ordinaries | Lincoln Cannon

Well I don't mean of course that they charged him with being a charlatan as such.

You can read the details in the Wiki article but essentially it was for (among other things) offering, and charging for, medical treatments while medically unqualified. Which means…..being a charlatan!