Thread: Ferromagnetic nanoboxes splitting blood-cycling viruses

Is it plausible that a little box with a blade in the middle and a rodder can be cheaply constructed and injected in bloodstream and controlled with outer magnetic fields, so that they through brute force splits viruses that fits in the box but ignores organic material that does not fit into the box?
A certain frequency would be used by the outer magnet, that gives the boxes a sweaping function that catches the viruses.

All viruses that sooner or later enters the bloodstream will be destroyed. So defeating a virus might take a week or so, hence the method must be cheap. Unless at a certain time, all the viruses enters the bloodstream, then it takes shorter time. Possibly, you could make the blade only ferromagnetic, so that it becomes hot aswell

If it works, anyone is free to use the idea. If it doesn't, how come?

Given that the blade has enough energy, that should not be so hard, should it? I could get atleast one reply for the nice attempt anyway.

So you want to inject millions (it would have to be millions) of "cheaply" made microscopic "boxes" into your own blood to chop up viruses into their proteins and then heat it so its hot enough to burn the viruses?

Is this a joke?

What about the proteins released from the viruses, couldnt they form prions then, it could also cause a hypersensitivity reaction in the blood (due to the virus parts or the boxes themselves).
Do you realise exactly how small viruses are? It isnt really possible to make boxes with blades inside in any large quantity.
Also, how do you get these boxes out of you?
And how do you prevent your own blood being heated by the hiot blades?
And how do you prevent them from rustnig, and being digested by your own white blood cells, and cauusing damage/ being damaged by you own organs. And the blades may damage plasma proteins if the boxes are small enough
also, a week? You get over the flu quicker than that usually.
No, I doubt that would be practical. All things aside, a week would be 2 long to work and viruses dont always enter the blood. they may be in the ECF or elsewhere.

Nice try though 8)

The speed of the box would be held constant, and its momentum would push away the sticky white blood cells, the blade is to small and to deep into the box for the bloodcells to destruct. the box is made of a blend of metals that do not rust, or simply plastic. plasma proteins, I don't know what that is, one week was just a guess and I meant the bad kinds of viruses like malaria etc. And my guess is that if your blood circulation is hold clean from any virus, the virus will eventually dissapear, since they all need to venture into the blood to continue existing.

Originally Posted by Robbie

What about the proteins released from the viruses, couldnt they form prions then, it could also cause a hypersensitivity reaction in the blood (due to the virus parts or the boxes themselves).
Do you realise exactly how small viruses are? It isnt really possible to make boxes with blades inside in any large quantity.
Also, how do you get these boxes out of you?
And how do you prevent your own blood being heated by the hiot blades?
And how do you prevent them from rustnig, and being digested by your own white blood cells, and cauusing damage/ being damaged by you own organs. And the blades may damage plasma proteins if the boxes are small enough
also, a week? You get over the flu quicker than that usually.
No, I doubt that would be practical. All things aside, a week would be 2 long to work and viruses dont always enter the blood. they may be in the ECF or elsewhere.

What if instead of anilalating the virus, it just traps it and then finds it's way to the kidneys and out throught the urethra. I am sure there are also metal alloys which don't rust ie those which don't contain ion

And how are you supposed to make that cheap? Why don't you just insert something in the injection that eliminates the rest products. That's how you make it cheap. something that deals with and replace broken protein and eliminates the virus rest products etc.

A box with big inside = expensive.
A box with blade = cheap.

I think. Unless you make a box with something sticky in it. It could stay there with capilar force etc.

or how about this, a nano bot which just stimulates the white blood cells

What if instead of anilalating the virus, it just traps it and then finds it's way to the kidneys and out throught the urethra. I am sure there are also metal alloys which don't rust ie those which don't contain ion

it would have to be seriously small to pass through the glomerulus (viruses dont pass out in urine). As in the size of a protein; practically impossible/ too expensive. I still dont think it would work anyway...
evne if it didnt rust, it may react with something, theres a hell of a lot of stuff in your blood!
Also if one box traps one virus, youd be there forever adding boxes into your blood, I dont think you understand exactly how many viruses are present when you have the flu. And how would your body distinguish between boxes with viruses and boxes without; they'd all be excreted meaning not all boxes would getvthe chance to trap a virus.

Leaving Quietly
i dont know what you mean about thre speed of the box or how it's done. I'm reckoning the white blood cells would ingest the entire box and blade. If it was too big, they would be able to pass inside (neutrophils anyway).

plasma proteins are just the proteins in your blood (eg albumin). they are VERY important.

Also guys you're just suggesting ways of doing things eg this rust-proof material, that may not be possible.

ok, but give me a break, i am only 15, so nanotechnology is not at that stage yet, and of course there are rust proof metals out there, you just neead a metal compound or element which dosn't contain iron

Deactivate the white blood cells for a while then, what would it matter?

I'm sure the white bloodcells are not really a problem...

After all, you are supposed to accelerate the box to very high speeds from the outside. Way faster then any bloodcell would move.

if you deactivate the white blood cells it's like having AIDS, i am not sure it's such a good idea

You don't die from a weeks aids. Do you?

Hold on guys IS this a joke?

Yes there ARE rust-proof metals, they may also be toxic!
Iron is not the only metal that rusts (by rust i mean oxidises)
Aluminium can turn to aluminium oxide, cso can copper, zince, loads of them! (actually maybe gold, but again not practical)

Leaving Quietly.
You are suggesting that the new cure for the flu (which is cured by white blood cells producing antibodies in your own body), is to turn off/eliminate them (which takes time, and is NOT ethical to do while you have the flu) and THEN administer boxes which are inefficient, and nowhere near as potent as the antibodies???

Also, the virus, as you said yourself, exists in cells other than in the blood, and your boxes only kill free viruses in the blood!

Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly

You don't die from a weeks aids. Do you?

maybe, but you can become seriously ill and things like the common cold could become potentially lethal

But they all spread through the blood, and I never said that you were supposed to cure the flue with it. Besides you cannot know how efficiant it is before you have tested. The blade box might be efficient, even more efficient then the white blood cells. How would you know?

ok , in aids, your immune system gradually becomes useless and yu slowly die from giving in to infections which you could otherwise fight.
yes, if you caught pneumonia you could die in a week maybe.
If you want an AIDS discussion look through the threads in the medical section.

What you are suggesting is ridiculous! Your immune system is one of the most amazing, adaptive & powerful tools your body has and without it life is impossible.
The best thing we have for a virus these days IS your own immunity, no drug can beat that, only help it, so any antiviral treatment (or any treatment at all, ever!) which compromises immunity better have good reason

(the flu is a virus, Im just using an example)

Look, if the nanobox replace the white blood cell, then it doesn't matter if you get the flue when you cure the flue since the flue that is a flue is also a flue.

But yes, you might very well be right, first the plasma is destroyed, then you get an allergic reaction, everything rusts, it becomes extremely expensive, it is highly inefficient and it doesn't cure all viruses.

I was just publishing an idea.

Well I genuinely wish you the best of luck!

Thank you a couple of times

How about solving the white blood bodies with a part of the nanobox having one or a few tiny spaces that had walls wich react to certain radiation and release a tiny bit of poison when it is stuck, and that you could observe the nanorobots through a substance that reflects certain radiation etc. Still would be cheep, i figure.