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    what are all your thoughts and impressions of David Ickes.


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    If you mean David Icke the guy is a nut. He even declared himself to be the Son of God.


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    Yep, he's a nutjob...
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    Quote Originally Posted by openmind View Post
    what are all your thoughts and impressions of David Ickes.
    What on Earth is this doing in the Physics section?

    If you mean David Icke, I don't know why you bother asking. He's practically certifiable. Reptilian Illuminati….I ask you…..
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    MODERATOR NOTE : David Icke is not a topic that has anything whatsoever to do with physics - in fact this particular person is pretty much the epitome of Pseudoscience, so this is where I am moving this thread.
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    Icke used to be a professional goalkeeper, and as goalkeepers are judged to be crazy then Icke could be excused just a little for believing that the Royal Family are reptiles and that aliens were on the moon when the moon landings took place.
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    Mind you, the real Wiki entry is barely less bizarre. See for instance Icke's "turquoise period".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Icke used to be a professional goalkeeper, and as goalkeepers are judged to be crazy then Icke could be excused just a little for believing that the Royal Family are reptiles and that aliens were on the moon when the moon landings took place.
    Perhaps he headed one too many footballs…………..
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    He is, however, immensely entertaining.
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    I have a bit too much cynicism in my nature to avoid wondering how much money he has made from the illuminated alien reptilians idea. He seems to have sold quite a few books and been paid for a lot of speeches about them.
    I am just happy he didn't decide to start a religion like L.Ron Hubbard did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan hunter View Post
    I have a bit too much cynicism in my nature to avoid wondering how much money he has made from the illuminated alien reptilians idea. He seems to have sold quite a few books and been paid for a lot of speeches about them.
    I am just happy he didn't decide to start a religion like L.Ron Hubbard did.
    Well, in his "turquoise period" he did claim to be the Son of the Godhead, which could have been the start, though Dickhead seems closer to the mark.

    Anyway, we're all having fun at the expense of the poor fellow. Suppose if I'd had one too many knocks on the head it could be me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post

    Well, in his "turquoise period" he did claim to be the Son of the Godhead, which could have been the start, though Dickhead seems closer to the mark.

    Anyway, we're all having fun at the expense of the poor fellow. Suppose if I'd had one too many knocks on the head it could be me.
    He said in an interview once that he had been afraid of being laughed at and thought nuts all his life, and that when it finally happened it left him free to quit caring what people thought of him.
    So I ask, if you could be quite rich and thought a bit nuts or be poor but thought sane what choice would you make?
    Privately I doubt if Icke really believes in shapeshifting lizard people and uses it as a metaphor for all the various conspiracy theory targets. I mean any group of crazies believing in world wide secret societies can fit them into an alien lizard people metaphor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan hunter View Post
    So I ask, if you could be quite rich and thought a bit nuts or be poor but thought sane what choice would you make?
    I've often wondered this myself. I mean he's pretty much cornered the market on "conspiracy moron." It's easy work if you can find it.
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    I think the Icke (Ic) should be used as a yardstick to measure the amount of "crankiness" in a post,
    in order to determine how much time should be devoted to refuting the posts in question.

    This is how it is defined:


    with:

    = Crackpot Index Points (as determined by the Crackpot Index by Baez, J. (1998)).

    = Gunning-Fog Index (to test readability of English writing).

    = Internet Appearances of the member in question (viXra, other fora, news articles, etc.), the Science Forum included.

    = Number of sock puppets created by the poster.


    The higher the score, the less time should be devoted to debunk the post(s).
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    I've looked at some of his stuff and some of the idiots on his site...mods etc.... He has been used as a puppet. They've purposely fed him a lot of crap and he has ran with it and he got rich. Unfortunately, I do think that he will be stabbed in the back at some point.

    I look at some of my personal details sometimes and think bloody hell, My Birthday is the same date as Charles and Dianas wedding (although I was born before). My middle name is Frances (the same as Diana). My credit card pin number is the numbers of my first few places I lived in...etc...

    Have a look at your own details and see if you find a resemblance. Maybe it is just 'Apophenia' playing tricks again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    He has been used as a puppet.
    By whom?

    They've purposely fed him a lot of crap
    Who's "they"?

    What makes you think this?

    Maybe it is just 'Apophenia' playing tricks again?
    Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    He has been used as a puppet.
    By whom?

    They've purposely fed him a lot of crap
    Who's "they"?

    What makes you think this?

    Maybe it is just 'Apophenia' playing tricks again?
    Yes.
    Let us wait and see what happens. Was Icke himself involved in any naughtiness at the BBC or elsewhere?
    Has he ever been interviewed by police about any of his claims?
    He seems to know a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    He has been used as a puppet.
    By whom?
    They've purposely fed him a lot of crap
    Who's "they"?
    What makes you think this?
    Maybe it is just 'Apophenia' playing tricks again?
    Yes.
    Let us wait and see what happens.
    In other words you're just hand waving. Again.

    He seems to know a lot.
    Right.
    Could you give us an example of Icke's "knowledge"?
    (As opposed to his fanatasist bull).
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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
    Well, in his "turquoise period" he did claim to be the Son of the Godhead, which could have been the start, though Dickhead seems closer to the mark.
    Anyway, we're all having fun at the expense of the poor fellow. Suppose if I'd had one too many knocks on the head it could be me.
    Yes, Icke should have at least been arrested by the fashion police for wearing that turquoise shell suit on TV. Decades later it still haunts me.
    Now goalkeepers don't normally head the ball or have knocks on the head like the outfield players. But they do stand directly in the path of projectiles (footballs) all day long, in which case they could have a dose of something like shell shock and this leads them to be a touch crazy.
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    He spoke of abuses at BBC admitingly he was correct but it was known amongst staff.
    His talks of Diana being sacrificed for ritual purposes. I dont think she was killed for that but I dont beleive it was a straight forward accident either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    He spoke of abuses at BBC admitingly he was correct but it was known amongst staff.
    Oh yeah.
    Isn't it funny how the great and knowledgeable Icke managed to know about something that just happened to be in the news?
    I.e. there's nothing saying that he knew about it before it was out in the open.
    Another post-hoc claim of "Well I knew that".
    On the other hand, if he DID know about it before it became public knowledge (and accusations go back at least to 1964 1 why didn't he come forward and say something?

    His talks of Diana being sacrificed for ritual purposes. I dont think she was killed for that but I dont beleive it was a straight forward accident either.
    And you don't believe it was a "straight forward accident" because...?
    You know something?
    You know someone who knows something?
    You're a conspiracy loon?

    1 Which would make Icke's "knowledge" hardly surprising - maybe he just subscribed to the unconfirmed rumours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    He spoke of abuses at BBC admitingly he was correct but it was known amongst staff.
    His talks of Diana being sacrificed for ritual purposes. I dont think she was killed for that but I dont beleive it was a straight forward accident either.
    Re Princess of Wales, I've always thought that a murder plot that could be foiled by the simple expedient of wearing one's seatbelt would be an astonishingly incompetent one.
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    But the lizards had gnawed through the seat belt, they had it covered
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    He spoke of abuses at BBC admitingly he was correct but it was known amongst staff.
    Oh yeah.
    Isn't it funny how the great and knowledgeable Icke managed to know about something that just happened to be in the news?
    I.e. there's nothing saying that he knew about it before it was out in the open.
    Another post-hoc claim of "Well I knew that".
    On the other hand, if he DID know about it before it became public knowledge (and accusations go back at least to 1964 1 why didn't he come forward and say something?

    His talks of Diana being sacrificed for ritual purposes. I dont think she was killed for that but I dont beleive it was a straight forward accident either.
    And you don't believe it was a "straight forward accident" because...?
    You know something?
    You know someone who knows something?
    You're a conspiracy loon?

    1 Which would make Icke's "knowledge" hardly surprising - maybe he just subscribed to the unconfirmed rumours.
    Icke - He might well of spoken about it back then but got ignored?


    Diana - If somebody was blocking your car from driving down a certain road and you were forced to drive another route and there happens to be others following you and there was flashes going off and a mysterious white car that was later found with the driver dead in the burnt out wreckage, I think it might be cause for concern.

    Do your own research, it is out there.

    Now, I'm not here to be your punch bag, so kindly refrain from making personal snide comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    He spoke of abuses at BBC admitingly he was correct but it was known amongst staff.
    His talks of Diana being sacrificed for ritual purposes. I dont think she was killed for that but I dont beleive it was a straight forward accident either.
    Re Princess of Wales, I've always thought that a murder plot that could be foiled by the simple expedient of wearing one's seatbelt would be an astonishingly incompetent one.
    You have a point, but, why did he feel the need to drive so fast? Was he drunk? there are many inconsistencies. It just came out too that Diana handed a phone book with all royals phone numbers in it to Murdochs lot. Now she is dead, who was following her at the time and why not try researching the vehicle (white fiat uno) and the demise of that. It could be just be coincidence of course.

    Like, I said, not a simple straight forward accident when you are being chased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    He spoke of abuses at BBC admitingly he was correct but it was known amongst staff.
    His talks of Diana being sacrificed for ritual purposes. I dont think she was killed for that but I dont beleive it was a straight forward accident either.
    Re Princess of Wales, I've always thought that a murder plot that could be foiled by the simple expedient of wearing one's seatbelt would be an astonishingly incompetent one.
    You have a point, but, why did he feel the need to drive so fast? Was he drunk? there are many inconsistencies. It just came out too that Diana handed a phone book with all royals phone numbers in it to Murdochs lot. Now she is dead, who was following her at the time and why not try researching the vehicle (white fiat uno) and the demise of that. It could be just be coincidence of course.

    Like, I said, not a simple straight forward accident when you are being chased.
    Ockham's Razor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan hunter View Post
    I have a bit too much cynicism in my nature to avoid wondering how much money he has made from the illuminated alien reptilians idea. He seems to have sold quite a few books and been paid for a lot of speeches about them.
    I am just happy he didn't decide to start a religion like L.Ron Hubbard did.
    He's certainly gained a following but then, if you see the kind of people that use the forums......I wonder if they have money to burn .
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    Icke - He might well of spoken about it back then but got ignored?
    In other words - as usual - you've got nothing.

    Do your own research, it is out there.
    And another classic, and typical, failure...

    Now, I'm not here to be your punch bag, so kindly refrain from making personal snide comments.
    Oh dear, have you started reading things that weren't in my posts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    He spoke of abuses at BBC admitingly he was correct but it was known amongst staff.
    So he knew something that everyone else knew about. Wow!

    His talks of Diana being sacrificed for ritual purposes. I dont think she was killed for that but I dont beleive it was a straight forward accident either.
    If you are in a speeding car and you are not wearing a seatbelt and that car smashes into something.. I'd say that was pretty straight forward.

    Diana - If somebody was blocking your car from driving down a certain road and you were forced to drive another route and there happens to be others following you and there was flashes going off and a mysterious white car that was later found with the driver dead in the burnt out wreckage, I think it might be cause for concern.

    Do your own research, it is out there.
    Indeed. You should take your own advice. The wreckage was not burnt.

    The driver was under the influence of a substance, he was speeding and he lost control and smashed the car. If you are drunk and you drive, you have a higher chance of crashing, which is why most countries have laws regarding drinking and driving.

    You have a point, but, why did he feel the need to drive so fast? Was he drunk? there are many inconsistencies. It just came out too that Diana handed a phone book with all royals phone numbers in it to Murdochs lot. Now she is dead, who was following her at the time and why not try researching the vehicle (white fiat uno) and the demise of that. It could be just be coincidence of course.

    Like, I said, not a simple straight forward accident when you are being chased.
    Henri Paul, the driver was more than 3 times over the legal limit. He was speeding. She was not wearing her seatbelt. He lost control of the car and crashed and she died. It's not uncommon..
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    Do your own research, it is out there.
    Moderator Advice: When you make an assertion you are expected to provide the evidence to support that assertion. This is part of the required behaviour on this forum. When you signed up to participate here you implicitly agreed to follow such behaviour. Someone interested in science should be only to willing to do this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquille View Post
    If you are in a speeding car and you are not wearing a seatbelt and that car smashes into something.. I'd say that was pretty straight forward.
    Which is why you should've turned! waka waka waka
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquille View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    He spoke of abuses at BBC admitingly he was correct but it was known amongst staff.
    So he knew something that everyone else knew about. Wow!

    His talks of Diana being sacrificed for ritual purposes. I dont think she was killed for that but I dont beleive it was a straight forward accident either.
    If you are in a speeding car and you are not wearing a seatbelt and that car smashes into something.. I'd say that was pretty straight forward.

    Diana - If somebody was blocking your car from driving down a certain road and you were forced to drive another route and there happens to be others following you and there was flashes going off and a mysterious white car that was later found with the driver dead in the burnt out wreckage, I think it might be cause for concern.

    Do your own research, it is out there.
    Indeed. You should take your own advice. The wreckage was not burnt.

    The driver was under the influence of a substance, he was speeding and he lost control and smashed the car. If you are drunk and you drive, you have a higher chance of crashing, which is why most countries have laws regarding drinking and driving.

    You have a point, but, why did he feel the need to drive so fast? Was he drunk? there are many inconsistencies. It just came out too that Diana handed a phone book with all royals phone numbers in it to Murdochs lot. Now she is dead, who was following her at the time and why not try researching the vehicle (white fiat uno) and the demise of that. It could be just be coincidence of course.

    Like, I said, not a simple straight forward accident when you are being chased.
    Henri Paul, the driver was more than 3 times over the legal limit. He was speeding. She was not wearing her seatbelt. He lost control of the car and crashed and she died. It's not uncommon..
    I didn't say the wreckage was burnt. I said the mysterious car driver was found burnt out in his car. Read it properly.

    James Andanson. Look him up. You might find some other discrepancies I put if you look deep enough.
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    This video is interesting (if it is the right one) it mentions some interesting information about the drivers blood samples too.

    Who Killed Princess Diana? - YouTube
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
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    Do your own research, it is out there.
    Moderator Advice: When you make an assertion you are expected to provide the evidence to support that assertion. This is part of the required behaviour on this forum. When you signed up to participate here you implicitly agreed to follow such behaviour. Someone interested in science should be only to willing to do this.
    We do that John but it is nearly always never good enough. Although they denounce it with their usual, 'call 'bullshit' attitude. No counter arguments.

    We can see that some are scripted in their beliefs. I expect nothing less anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    I didn't say the wreckage was burnt. I said the mysterious car driver was found burnt out in his car. Read it properly.
    No.
    What you ACTUALLY wrote was:
    And there are other faults with your claim.
    The Fiat Uno ( the white car in question) was NOT found "burnt out" - it was in fact painted red hours later later by its owner - who was still alive as of 2006 - Le Van Thanh.

    James Andanson. Look him up.
    Yeah, look him up:
    [t]he white Fiat Uno he owned was in an unroadworthy condition... documentary evidence ... demonstrated that Andanson could only have been at his home in Lignieres, 177 miles from Paris, at the time of the crash.


    So you're either ignoring information or not understanding what you do read.
    And lying about what you have written.
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    We do that John but it is nearly always never good enough. Although they denounce it with their usual, 'call 'bullshit' attitude. No counter arguments.

    We can see that some are scripted in their beliefs. I expect nothing less anymore.
    And Icke is replete with statements such as 'I believe...' or 'I think that...' or 'There is a chance that...'. All I can say to Icke is COME UP WITH SOME EVIDENCE! Just one item will do to confirm that there is a secret bloodline on planet earth which calls all the big shots.
    Icke looks for secret signs, the esoteric power of numbers, the determination of future events, and he finds them where he wants to find them.

    There are some unanswered questions in the death of Diana. Why did her car not have a police escort? Why was Rees-Jones, her bodyguard wearing a seatbelt in the front while she and Dodi at the back were not? Did he suspect the car was about to crash? Why did his memory of events fail him? Why did the Royals (at Balmoral at the time) show no emotion? Was Diana's death a conveniance for the monarchy with the prospect of the future king having a muslim stepfather?
    There you have it - anyone, including me - can fuel a conspiracy. But according to Icke the death was pre-planned way in advance and it was a ritual sacrifice for his theory of a shapeshifting world dominating reptilian bloodline.
    Collect a handful of historical facts, lace them with fiction and a dose of numerology (always a powerful ingredient), a sprinkling of coincidences and you have an Icke. If anyone could be described as a shapeshifter it is he. But I'll hand it to Icke in the sense that money can always be made by falsifying history by turning it into a parody of events, and the more outrageous the parody the more books are likely to be sold.
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    How could you know if they are Reptilians instead of Saurians?



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    We do that John but it is nearly always never good enough. Although they denounce it with their usual, 'call 'bullshit' attitude. No counter arguments.

    We can see that some are scripted in their beliefs. I expect nothing less anymore.
    And Icke is replete with statements such as 'I believe...' or 'I think that...' or 'There is a chance that...'. All I can say to Icke is COME UP WITH SOME EVIDENCE! Just one item will do to confirm that there is a secret bloodline on planet earth which calls all the big shots.
    Icke looks for secret signs, the esoteric power of numbers, the determination of future events, and he finds them where he wants to find them.

    There are some unanswered questions in the death of Diana. Why did her car not have a police escort? Why was Rees-Jones, her bodyguard wearing a seatbelt in the front while she and Dodi at the back were not? Did he suspect the car was about to crash? Why did his memory of events fail him? Why did the Royals (at Balmoral at the time) show no emotion? Was Diana's death a conveniance for the monarchy with the prospect of the future king having a muslim stepfather?
    There you have it - anyone, including me - can fuel a conspiracy. But according to Icke the death was pre-planned way in advance and it was a ritual sacrifice for his theory of a shapeshifting world dominating reptilian bloodline.
    Collect a handful of historical facts, lace them with fiction and a dose of numerology (always a powerful ingredient), a sprinkling of coincidences and you have an Icke. If anyone could be described as a shapeshifter it is he. But I'll hand it to Icke in the sense that money can always be made by falsifying history by turning it into a parody of events, and the more outrageous the parody the more books are likely to be sold.
    Which makes me wonder how on earth people are allowed to sell made up or incorrect information?
    It creates a society where people actually start beleiving it, just like distoted facts in media etc.

    A lie can travel around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on!
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    Which makes me wonder how on earth people are allowed to sell made up or incorrect information?
    It creates a society where people actually start beleiving it, just like distoted facts in media etc.

    A lie can travel around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on!
    Nearly everything is proved false sooner or later. In the case of the press just about everything that is written in newspapers is false or contradictory. Watching QI at the weekend even Stephen Fry had to admit that most of the stuff on the program becomes inaccurate in a few years. I am guessing that Icke took note of authors like Erich von Daniken whose books on alien visitation made him millions. He even named one book 'According to the Evidence'. Of course there wasn't any and he made it all up.
    It's not easy to find really reliable authors, but I'll name a few: Steve Jones (biology), Carl Sagan (cosmology), Tom Holland (ancient history). Separating fact from fiction is strangely challenging.
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    Which makes me wonder how on earth people are allowed to sell made up or incorrect information?
    It creates a society where people actually start beleiving it, just like distoted facts in media etc.

    A lie can travel around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on!
    Nearly everything is proved false sooner or later. In the case of the press just about everything that is written in newspapers is false or contradictory. Watching QI at the weekend even Stephen Fry had to admit that most of the stuff on the program becomes inaccurate in a few years. I am guessing that Icke took note of authors like Erich von Daniken whose books on alien visitation made him millions. He even named one book 'According to the Evidence'. Of course there wasn't any and he made it all up.
    It's not easy to find really reliable authors, but I'll name a few: Steve Jones (biology), Carl Sagan (cosmology), Tom Holland (ancient history). Separating fact from fiction is strangely challenging.
    But it's not that hard if you have a critical mind and read around the subject a bit. Weak arguments, or those based on shaky evidence, usually become apparent without too much difficulty. And Ockham's Razor should always be in your pocket.
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    Ickes is nuttier than container ship full of nuts that ran aground on nut island during the annual nut fest. His forum requires a letter from an mental institution certifying you escaped from there in order to sign up.
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    Which makes me wonder how on earth people are allowed to sell made up or incorrect information?
    It creates a society where people actually start beleiving it, just like distoted facts in media etc.
    Er, yeah.
    And, if any form of control was introduced you can guarantee that within seconds there'd be someone (probably the very same people complaining about "selling lies and made up information") screaming "Censorship!" and "Government suppression!".
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    Ickes is nuttier than container ship full of nuts that ran aground on nut island during the annual nut fest. His forum requires a letter from an mental institution certifying you escaped from there in order to sign up.
    Did you see the post put up saying that 'Merlin cove' was an agent? lol it got removed very quickly. I was watching the forum a few years back. There was a big fallout and some left to start another forum. Sean admin on Icke forum was accused of reading PM's and harrassing people covertly.
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    Which makes me wonder how on earth people are allowed to sell made up or incorrect information?
    It creates a society where people actually start beleiving it, just like distoted facts in media etc.

    A lie can travel around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on!
    Nearly everything is proved false sooner or later. In the case of the press just about everything that is written in newspapers is false or contradictory. Watching QI at the weekend even Stephen Fry had to admit that most of the stuff on the program becomes inaccurate in a few years. I am guessing that Icke took note of authors like Erich von Daniken whose books on alien visitation made him millions. He even named one book 'According to the Evidence'. Of course there wasn't any and he made it all up.
    It's not easy to find really reliable authors, but I'll name a few: Steve Jones (biology), Carl Sagan (cosmology), Tom Holland (ancient history). Separating fact from fiction is strangely challenging.
    It's about time they were stopped from selling bullshit. Its fraud on a massive scale.
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    It's about time they were stopped from selling bullshit. Its fraud on a massive scale.
    Banning BS doesn't work because of religion. Trying to educate people and give them the tools to evaluate information seems to be limited too. There will always be people eager to believe almost anything, no matter how crazy it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan hunter View Post
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    It's about time they were stopped from selling bullshit. Its fraud on a massive scale.
    Banning BS doesn't work because of religion. Trying to educate people and give them the tools to evaluate information seems to be limited too. There will always be people eager to believe almost anything, no matter how crazy it is.
    The times that are changing!
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    Hopefully BS will NEVER be banned..
    It would, in any case, only move underground.

    As was mentioned earlier: education is the key. When (if ever) people learn critical thinking then BS might stop.
    There's currently a movement in the UK (government-sponsored) to block "esoteric knowledge" websites en masse.
    I've signed a petition against this - not because I'm a fan of such sites, nor because I think they have anything valid to offer, but for another, simpler reason: after that ban goes through what's next? 1

    Let the woos come out into public view, let them espouse their crap. Let it be subjected to scrutiny.
    People, being people, will always have a non-mainstream view/ agenda. Attempts to regulate those views will only strengthen them - after all, if they weren't at least partly true why would the government ban them? 2

    1 It's self-interest. Back when my only internet access was the local library I discovered that their new anti-virus software/ policy had blocked most of my regular websites. It did turn out to be (mostly) an oversight, but it took some argument and the best part of a month to get those blocks lifted.
    2 This shouldn't need saying, but, given the discernment of some posters evidenced it does need saying: that last was sarcasm.
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    It's about time they were stopped from selling bullshit. Its fraud on a massive scale.
    Caveat emptor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan hunter View Post
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    It's about time they were stopped from selling bullshit. Its fraud on a massive scale.
    Banning BS doesn't work because of religion. Trying to educate people and give them the tools to evaluate information seems to be limited too. There will always be people eager to believe almost anything, no matter how crazy it is.
    Only because religion has been around for a long time does it have respectability. I agree that its ideas are just as crazy as Icke's, but he has only been around for 20-30 years. In that time he has published several books and got divorced because he suspected his wife of being a shapeshifting reptilian alien.
    I would also like to mention another crackpot born in Britain. His name is Graham Hancock. If Icke is a 5 star nut then Hancock is at least a 4. Yet Hancock seems to have some respect as he has managed to publish his ideas as science and even had TV series under the banner of science. One such crackpot idea is that Antarctica is Atlantis which drifted to the South Pole only 6000 years ago and is now buried under the ice which is of the same age (Fingerprints of the Gods).
    Other crackpots include Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery) and the idea that amphibious Sirians travelled across space and time to impart knowledge of their star system to the Dogons of Mali, and Robert Bauval (The Orion Mystery) with his nut idea that the Pyramids are a ground map of Orion's Belt (which they're not).
    If people want to buy this stuff then I don't see what you can do about it.
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    It's about time they were stopped from selling bullshit. Its fraud on a massive scale.
    Caveat emptor.
    Today's vocabulary words are "Caveat emptor" ....meaning "buyer beware". Thank you google!
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    Caveat emptor.
    Crap. Should have been more careful before buying all those books on rumpology :

    rumpology - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com
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    It's about time they were stopped from selling bullshit. Its fraud on a massive scale.
    Caveat emptor.
    Today's vocabulary words are "Caveat emptor" ....meaning "buyer beware". Thank you google!
    Hi, Mac I notice you live in Texas, Was the chainsaw massacre real?
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    It's about time they were stopped from selling bullshit. Its fraud on a massive scale.
    Caveat emptor.
    Today's vocabulary words are "Caveat emptor" ....meaning "buyer beware". Thank you google!
    Hi, Mac I notice you live in Texas, Was the chainsaw massacre real?
    The Texas Chain Saw Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Was the chainsaw massacre real?
    another thing you seem incapable of using is an internet search function. you know, Google is one of them? anyone can verify the truth, part-truth, or untruth of that event in just a few moments of searching. are you new to the internet?
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    Crap. Should have been more careful before buying all those books on rumpology :
    rumpology - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com
    I read one of those. It was load of arse.
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    I read one of those. It was load of arse.
    *Shrug*
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    Lol! Butt reading....geez, what will the woos think of next? I'll think I'll start a site offering boob reading. So, ladies...send me a picture of your rack, and I'll read your future for $99.95. Ill be the Earl Scheib of boob reading. "riiiiiight..I'll read any boobs for $99.95"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
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    Was the chainsaw massacre real?
    another thing you seem incapable of using is an internet search function. you know, Google is one of them? anyone can verify the truth, part-truth, or untruth of that event in just a few moments of searching. are you new to the internet?
    I was talking to Mac. Do you mind?
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    Do you mind?
    yes i do. your posting style implies everyone else is an idiot and you are the only sane voice on the block. i posted this for you on another thread. here it is again:

    http://www.thescienceforum.com/trash...tml#post563350
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
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    It's about time they were stopped from selling bullshit. Its fraud on a massive scale.
    Caveat emptor.
    Today's vocabulary words are "Caveat emptor" ....meaning "buyer beware". Thank you google!
    Hi, Mac I notice you live in Texas, Was the chainsaw massacre real?
    a little kibitz
    see Ed Gein
    go Wisconsin
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    he would have added the word "just"

    "riiiiiight..I'll read any boobs for just $99.95"

    or just 69.95 for one
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    As sculptor said...Google Ed Gein. He was a real killer that the movie was inspired by....but there was no actual chainsaw massacre in Texas.
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    Do you mind?
    yes i do. your posting style implies everyone else is an idiot and you are the only sane voice on the block. i posted this for you on another thread. here it is again:

    http://www.thescienceforum.com/trash...tml#post563350
    Where did I say I was the only sane one on the block? Show me?

    Oh, you can;t because you are seeing things that aren't there.

    And I'm the mental one?
    Pffft!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGyver1968 View Post
    As sculptor said...Google Ed Gein. He was a real killer that the movie was inspired by....but there was no actual chainsaw massacre in Texas.
    Thanks Mac, I asked you because my logic is like this....If there was an incident or a crime, who would be the best people to ask? Would it be the people who live there or someone else halfway across the world?
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    Mind you, the real Wiki entry is barely less bizarre. See for instance Icke's "turquoise period".

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    Where did I say I was the only sane one on the block? Show me?
    Chucknorium said this: "your posting style implies everyone else is an idiot and you are the only sane voice on the block."

    Do you really want me to trawl through your posts to find all the instances where you adopt exactly that attitude? They are abundant and I am reasonably sure that, wearing my moderator hat, I have warned you about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
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    Where did I say I was the only sane one on the block? Show me?
    Chucknorium said this: "your posting style implies everyone else is an idiot and you are the only sane voice on the block."

    Do you really want me to trawl through your posts to find all the instances where you adopt exactly that attitude? They are abundant and I am reasonably sure that, wearing my moderator hat, I have warned you about them.
    Go and find all my posts....Oh and whilst you're at it, find all the detrimental posts aimed at me. I like to do things properly, not half measured!

    Cheers chappy!
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    As sculptor said...Google Ed Gein. He was a real killer that the movie was inspired by....but there was no actual chainsaw massacre in Texas.
    Thanks Mac, I asked you because my logic is like this....If there was an incident or a crime, who would be the best people to ask? Would it be the people who live there or someone else halfway across the world?
    And thereby ignoring the third option that would occur to most people, which is to look it up.
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    As sculptor said...Google Ed Gein. He was a real killer that the movie was inspired by....but there was no actual chainsaw massacre in Texas.
    Thanks Mac, I asked you because my logic is like this....If there was an incident or a crime, who would be the best people to ask? Would it be the people who live there or someone else halfway across the world?
    And thereby ignoring the third option that would occur to most people, which is to look it up.
    I would have but I wanted to know if it were factual first.

    I don't care too much for fiction these days. It takes up valuable space and fills peoples head with shite!
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
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    Where did I say I was the only sane one on the block? Show me?
    Chucknorium said this: "your posting style implies everyone else is an idiot and you are the only sane voice on the block."

    Do you really want me to trawl through your posts to find all the instances where you adopt exactly that attitude? They are abundant and I am reasonably sure that, wearing my moderator hat, I have warned you about them.
    thank you for clarifying but it is probably a waste of time because hannah40 has one other irritating trait: she doesn't read very well. she reads a few words out of a sentence and then she posts. basically she 'shoots from the hip' without thinking.
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    Oh and whilst you're at it, find all the detrimental posts aimed at me.
    you just don't get it, do you? your posting style is what causes people to make posts aimed at you. i can best describe your posts as 'arrogant but ignorant with a dab of paranoia thrown in for good measure'.
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    i can best describe your posts as...with a dab of paranoia thrown in for good measure'.
    You're not allowed to diagnose! I was warned. so I'm paying it forward.
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    'arrogant but ignorant with a dab of paranoia thrown in for good measure'.
    Dude, that describes every post made in Psuedoscience!

    off topic: anyone know how to select just a few words in a sentence on an iPad? I know how to do the touch and hold to select all...but I'm still learning this thing.
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    Oh and whilst you're at it, find all the detrimental posts aimed at me.
    you just don't get it, do you? your posting style is what causes people to make posts aimed at you. i can best describe your posts as 'arrogant but ignorant with a dab of paranoia thrown in for good measure'.
    Do you hear that sound?

    Or do you hear silence?

    Yep, that would be the sound of me 'Not giving a shit'!
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    To bad you didn't use something like Braille in Tibetan instead, it would actually have been a challenge then
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    Oh and whilst you're at it, find all the detrimental posts aimed at me.
    you just don't get it, do you? your posting style is what causes people to make posts aimed at you. i can best describe your posts as 'arrogant but ignorant with a dab of paranoia thrown in for good measure'.
    Do you hear that sound?

    Or do you hear silence?

    Yep, that would be the sound of me 'Not giving a shit'!
    with that oh-so-clever response i have expanded my description of your posting style:

    'immune to constructive criticism which implies inability to learn.'

    (better get used to people making posts aimed at you.)
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    One of the strengths of homo sapiens is that we are a social animal. We inherit that from our primate ancestors and have greatly expanded the versatility and effectiveness of our social behaviour through the use of language. This has enabled us to build a global civilisation capable of remarkable technical achievements.

    Such achievements, and the day to day smooth operation of society, depend upon a reasonable alignment of objectives among the many individuals making up groups and organisations and nations. This alignment is achieved through various forms of feedback within the group. If the exchange of ideas is fluent and accepted readily by members then the group's goals will be more efficiently met. If one or more members in a group choose to ignore that feedback they damage the effectiveness of the group.

    Other group members will use a variety of techniques to try to bring the recalcitrant member into line. These can range from attempts at gentle persuasion, to disparaging personal attacks. When these fail to produce the desired results group leadership may need to take more formal action, in order to protect the group at large. This can be unpleasant for the member who is out of line, yet all they have to do to avoid the unpleasantness is to change their behaviour, respect other members and align themselves a little more with the general trend of the group.

    I hope Hannah40 will consider these points while she waits to return to the forum, following her six day suspension.
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