Thread: desktop particle accelerator?

I came across something on the web, some guy put together what seems to be an electron accelerator, which is what I think similar to a particle accelerator but uses wire as a medium instead of a vacuum. You can see the schematic on page 29 of otto_ronette_TPU_ECD-V1_0.pdf

To get the electrons flowing in a circle you can use high voltage spikes which don't require much power. I found some math equations E=hc/λ and λ= h/p
E= energy
h= frequency energy constant
p= linear momentum of a particle
c= speed of light
λ= wavelength

doing some quick math it means E=pc which we already know obviously from E=mc²
which should mean you can get power from accelerating electrons if you can. They actually did light the bulb in this experiment apparently. In the pdf they say that it heated up a heat sink connected to one of switching transistors way beyond what seemed normal which to me suggested it started ionizing the aluminum by drawing away it's electrons in order to power the light bulb connected to the output. Remedied perhaps by a sodium based electron reservoir?

I donno, you guys figure it out. I'm not a scientist here

I'm having trouble posting the schematic. something wrong with the uploader on this site

Originally Posted by tichama

I'm having trouble posting the schematic. something wrong with the uploader on this site

You have to have a certain number of posts before you can post URLs.
This is an anti-spam measure.

I found the file on line. I am not going to post a link (they don't deserve the oxygen of publicity). I gave up trying to make any sense of it. It is obviously a load of ignorant nonsense.

I will summarize the document below:

Originally Posted by Article, p. 7

A last think: ECD [energy conversion device] when operated close enough to full conversion point, will couple ether (?) into reproducible energy many magnitudes beyond what can be supplied through power supply. The power supply is only for driving the 3 oscillators, it has no connection with the gotten power from ether conversion! That is our understanding.

The paper is written by Otto Sabljaric and Roberto Notte (both have no record of being researchers) and was published in 2007.

A quick skim reveals a lot of schemes, pictures, tables and graphs, in order to support the idea that they have replicated the experiments of Steven Mark(*), who (according to some threads on the OverUnity forum) managed to create a device with magnetic, toroidal coils that generated energy from scratch.


(*) No trustworthy information could be found about him (cf. post #6).


PS: I am certain that more knowledgeable people can spot the exact errors in the document, but I hope this suffices.

Over unity cranks.
Ignore.

Steven Mark(s) - it varies, apparently.
The sad thing is that Steven was a bit of a hustler. He received millions from several investors, and never delivered the end product. Steven spent wildly on a lavish lifestyle. The seemingly sophisticated test equipment one sees in the videos was in fact a collection of audio and video gear.

What I did find amusing was the claim: Device is Real; Steven Mark wasn't.
Ho hum...

I watched the YouTube video on how magnets can create electricity from scratch. I never believed it and it now Cogito Ergo Sum as confirmed it for me, so I would never believe this it's nonsense (As stated by everyone else).

Originally Posted by MindlessMath

I watched the YouTube video on how magnets can create electricity from scratch.

There's a very good reason why no one takes Youtube videos seriously as evidence.
(It depends on what you mean by "from scratch": no-one disputes that dynamos work for example, but they require an energy input so it's hardly "from scratch").

I never believed it and it now Cogito Ergo Sum as confirmed it for me

Read it again.
What Cogito actually wrote was "according to some threads on the OverUnity forum".
I.e. as reported by cranks on a crank forum.

so I would never believe this it's nonsense (As stated by everyone else).

As Cogito also stated.

ok but Energy relates to the momentum of a particle, am I right?

Originally Posted by tichama

ok but Energy relates to the momentum of a particle, am I right?

Depends on what you mean by relates.
Momentum is MV.
Energy is 1/2MV².

so go spank some electrons and see if you can use their momentum for anything useful

Originally Posted by tichama

so go spank some electrons and see if you can use their momentum for anything useful

It is already being done. Desktop accelerators are being built, just not being built by cranks on the free energy websites.

Particle accelerator that can fit on a tabletop opens new chapter for science research -- ScienceDaily

Researchers Shrink Particle Accelerator to Table-top Size | TechNewsDaily.com

Particle Accelerator That Can Fit on a Tabletop Opens New Chapter for Science Research | News

New particle accelerator can rest on your fingertip - CSMonitor.com

Berkeley Lab Builds a Desktop Particle Accelerator | Popular Science

Stanford Engineers participate in

Quasi-monoenergetic laser-plasma acceleration of electrons to 2

Originally Posted by tichama

so go spank some electrons and see if you can use their momentum for anything useful

And your point here would be... what, exactly?

desktop particle accelerator

If you want a desktop device that accelerates electrons, I suggest you get a cathode ray tube, such as an old CRT computer screen. Sorted