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  1. #1 I can now see Ultraviolet and Infared light! 
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    It's pure nonsense. Trash please.


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    Dude, it`s not UV and infrared light. It`s cancer in your eye.
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    You mention going into the study of quantum mechanics. As you train as a scientist you will learn the importance of rigorous experimental mehtod. What do you plan to do to confirm this ability?

    The obvious step would be to approach a university physics laboratory and ask them to test you by placing you in a darkened room, free of naturally fluorescent material, with only a UV light source. You should then be able to identify objects within the room. Do you plan to undertake an experiment like this?
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    I think this is a perfect illustration of why you shouldn't do drugs: you end up seeing all sorts of stupid things.
    And what's worse is that you could also start believing they're true.

    This is pure science.
    Yup, it's psychology: why do people believe things that aren't true?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse1233 View Post
    After a certain night 5 days ago, I have acquired the ability to see above our own spectrum, on both sides. Ill just be completely honest and say (Someone who is not me) took LSD 5 days ago. I stared at the moon and began to notice a bluish-purple glow, unlike any color I've seen before. Intrigued I pulled out my laptop and looked up the full spectrum of color visible to the human eye, and soon discovered that right where the violet ended off was the beginning of the color I saw. I bragged about this to all my friends for a couple days that somehow I saw Ultraviolet and Infared light on acid.

    One night though, a few days ago, I went outside and looked at the moon again, and too my amazement, the moon was no longer just white, but outlined with this amazing, bluish-purple glow.... I was stunned. In the days since, in my classrooms at school, I have been staring in awe at the fluorescent lights on the ceiling. I searched it, and apparently they give off a lot of UV light, and I see. Outlining every single fluorescent light I look at it is this beautiful, smooth, Purple-Bluish green glow. I know its light because there was a small hook screwed to the ceiling next to one of the lights, when I focused on the UV light, it began to illuminate and I can see the details on the hook better. At first seeing the UV light was difficult, I had to really unfocus my eyes and stare at the object to begin to see it. But while doing that, I was trying to force into my brain the existence of this color, and force into the ability to see it. Now when I look at the lights, there is no need for focusing, I see the full UV spectrum around every light.

    I do no think this is a direct effect of the acid. The lens of our eyes normally filters it out, (Or at least its believed too) and they do not activate the brain at all. But I think somehow, I have trained my brain to become activated to these signals, I don't think its the physical biology of our lens preventing us from seeing, Its the fact that our brain sees no use for it, and thus filters out, It kinda goes back to the phrase "Out of sight, out of mind"

    Now I won't go into much depth about the Infared light but I see that also. Its much harder to see and takes a lot more focusing though, but when I try, the fluorescent lights began to get a yellow and the red directly after outline around them. I have stared at my hand and can see the same thing.

    On a personal note, I plan on going into Quantum Mechanics. So you can only imagine my excitement being witness to this. I posted this on a drug forum but it does not do it justice. This is pure science.
    Well, let's see. You weren't able to see anything 'special' until after you took a hit of acid. LSD can stay in your system for over 120 hours, so yes, you could still have been having effects from that. Also, none of the rods or cones in the eye are sensitive to ultraviolet or infrared. That is the whole reason we can't see those wavelengths. There is no physical way you could just suddenly begin seeing those wavelengths.

    So, yes. It is science, but the science is psychopharmacology, not quantum mechanics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse1233 View Post
    I stared at the moon and began to notice a bluish-purple glow, unlike any color I've seen before.
    I usually refer to that as 'acid purple'.
    It is a wonderfully emotive colour (kinda like the foil wrapper on Cadbury's chocolate).

    It is not ultraviolet.
    (If you were able to see in ultraviolet, then things wouldn't only be "outlined with this amazing, bluish-purple glow".)
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    People are born with all kinds of different capabilities, some can jump high, some can read well, some can be presidents, some can be physic, some can see ultraviolet light, some cannot see sunlight, sorry I could go on. It is too narrow to look at it from the view that you yourself cannot see it so it does not exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    some can be physic
    If you mean "psychic" then no. No one is, or can be, "psychic".

    some can see ultraviolet light
    Please provide a reference for people being born able to see ultraviolet light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    People are born with all kinds of different capabilities, some can jump high, some can read well, some can be presidents, some can be physic, some can see ultraviolet light, some cannot see sunlight, sorry I could go on. It is too narrow to look at it from the view that you yourself cannot see it so it does not exist.
    Pff. Vision is a very well understood phenomenon. Humans can't see ultraviolet. On the other hand, many insects, including bees, do. Apparently many flowers have some interesting patterns in UV that aid the little pollenators to their target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DogLady View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    People are born with all kinds of different capabilities, some can jump high, some can read well, some can be presidents, some can be physic, some can see ultraviolet light, some cannot see sunlight, sorry I could go on. It is too narrow to look at it from the view that you yourself cannot see it so it does not exist.
    Pff. Vision is a very well understood phenomenon. Humans can't see ultraviolet. On the other hand, many insects, including bees, do. Apparently many flowers have some interesting patterns in UV that aid the little pollenators to their target.
    That is because they have 7 types of color photoreceptors vs. the humans' 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DogLady View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    People are born with all kinds of different capabilities, some can jump high, some can read well, some can be presidents, some can be physic, some can see ultraviolet light, some cannot see sunlight, sorry I could go on. It is too narrow to look at it from the view that you yourself cannot see it so it does not exist.
    Pff. Vision is a very well understood phenomenon. Humans can't see ultraviolet. On the other hand, many insects, including bees, do. Apparently many flowers have some interesting patterns in UV that aid the little pollenators to their target.
    Not all humans can see ultra violet light. The Op was telling us that he can see it.
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    Yes, and he's wrong about that. Why do you automatically believe him?
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    The OP, unless he is not human, does not see ultraviolet. There is no 'unique' human build that allows ultraviolet vision. It is not a learnable trait. It is a physical impossibility. A couple hundred years of study of the physiology of vision in several animals, including humans, has unequivocally shown humans are incapable of ultraviolet vision. I see no reason to dispense with broad swath of science simply because someone on acid saw something 'unique'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    Yes, and he's wrong about that. Why do you automatically believe him?
    How do you know he is wrong? He has no reason to lie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DogLady View Post
    The OP, unless he is not human, does not see ultraviolet. There is no 'unique' human build that allows ultraviolet vision. It is not a learnable trait. It is a physical impossibility. A couple hundred years of study of the physiology of vision in several animals, including humans, has unequivocally shown humans are incapable of ultraviolet vision. I see no reason to dispense with broad swath of science simply because someone on acid saw something 'unique'.
    There are no studies that have checked each human individually to see if this or that phenomenon exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    Yes, and he's wrong about that. Why do you automatically believe him?
    How do you know he is wrong? He has no reason to lie?
    That doesn't answer my question. Why do you believe something amazing and incredible just because some random stranger says it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    There are no studies that have checked each human individually to see if this or that phenomenon exist.
    Please, for the second time of asking, provide a reference to support your claim that "some people are born able to see ultraviolet light".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
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    Yes, and he's wrong about that. Why do you automatically believe him?
    How do you know he is wrong? He has no reason to lie?
    One needn't deliberately lie to be totally wrong. All the research on human vision has shown an inability to perceive ultraviolet. This has been reproduced in a multitude of studies. LSD is a known hallucinogen, particularly triggering visual hallucinations. This has been reproduced in a multitude of studies. When someone takes a hit of acid and tells me he sees something no other human can, and something he couldn't see before the acid, I don't suddenly cry, "Eureka! It's a scientific breakthrough!" The simplest explanation is that he hallucinated.
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    I would still like to hear pulse1233's response to my proposal of how he might go about testing this apparent new talent. If he is serious about being a scientist he has to be supportive of it. If he rejects it on any grounds then we have two reasons to laugh at him instead of one.
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    I don't want to laugh at him.
    I just want to point out to him that using mind bending drugs is not a good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    I would still like to hear pulse1233's response to my proposal of how he might go about testing this apparent new talent. If he is serious about being a scientist he has to be supportive of it. If he rejects it on any grounds then we have two reasons to laugh at him instead of one.
    I don't see pulse 1233 returning to answer, but one test would be to setup a range of hot and cold items and them see if you can tell which one is hot without feeling (touching) them.

    I might try it myself, is the water in the electric jug hot or cold? I usually have to feel the jug to see what temperature it is. Maybe we could find that we are marginally sensitive to heat radiating off the hot jug?
    Like it isn't difficult to tell the stove element is on for the heat can be felt from quite a distance. So when does that sensation become absent?

    So you would have to eliminate the sensation of heat radiation. Can you have a situation where you can see how "hot" an object is but not feel its heat?
    For the sensitivity of the visual infra-red could well be related to the heat intensity, if your eyes can sense it maybe your skin will sense it too.
    Maybe you would have to have a couple of layers of glass between you and the objects. But have you stopped the infrared when this is done?

    The other observation that I'm aware of is that when, for example, burning a pile of wood and the embers get real hot you can't look at the embers directly. It is as if the lenses of your eyes are focusing the heat in your eyes. But this is only happens when a fire is extremely hot.
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    Maybe you would have to have a couple of layers of glass between you and the objects. But have you stopped the infrared when this is done?
    No.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot5n9m4whaw

    The other observation that I'm aware of is that when, for example, burning a pile of wood and the embers get real hot you can't look at the embers directly. It is as if the lenses of your eyes are focusing the heat in your eyes. But this is only happens when a fire is extremely hot.
    No. Far more likely is that the heat is drying the moisture in your eyes.
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    ...and anyone who knows any science is 100% sure you are wrong for the reasons given above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    How do you know he is wrong? He has no reason to lie?
    No but he has an excellent reason to tell something that is not in line with reality - he is under the influence of a mind-altering drugs. The pink unicorns or talking rocks he might see next aren't real, either.
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    ...and now it's turning into an "I got high" blog
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    Pulse, what is happening with your vision is the inhibitory response that prevents your synapses from firing all over the place is a bit broken right now.
    It is an effect of the drug.
    If you leave the drugs alone for a while it should go away.
    If you don't leave the drugs alone you will likely get so screwed up in the head that you will not graduate and that would pretty much end your dreams of studying Quantum Mechanics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse1233 View Post
    You will begin to notice a faint blue glow accompanying the light, espescially when you get the light close to the edges of the magnifying glass. This light is ultraviolet,
    No, that's blue. That's why it looks blue.

    if you look at the light on the opposite end of the magnifying glass ( I.e. Right side instead of left) You will see a red and yellow glow, this is infared.
    No, it's red - that's why it looks red.

    To test to see if I was really seeing infared was an easy test. I simply ran hot water out of a sink. Take the magnifying glass and find the right spot, you'll be able to see the yellow glow outlining the water. I then turned on the cold water, sure enough, no yellow glow.
    That level of infrared (i.e. in the micrometer wave range) cannot pass through a magnifying glass - or the lens of your eye. The peak blackbody radiation for a 40C object is about 5000 nm. The infrared radiation you are talking about is about 900nm.

    If you don't believe that, think about this. The lens of your eye is body temperature. Why don't you see a constant "infrared" glow coming from your lens, blinding you to all other infrared light?

    . I even showed my chemistry teacher and he seemed a little flabbergasted also. My theory is that towards one end of the magnifying glass, its distorting the light so much that its literally streatching out the wavelengths
    If your chemistry teacher was actually flabbergasted by your explanation - you need to find a smarter chemistry teacher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse1233 View Post
    On a more personal note, my future goals are to become a physicist

    Given that, so far, all of your posts have blatantly been non-science you're not doing very well in that.

    On a completely unrelated note: I don't do drugs and I see stupid people. All the time.
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    This right here proves the UV light through a magnifying glass.
    Forget the magnifying glass. What about some kind of test showing that your retina has receptors that the rest of us don't have?

    (I don't pretend that I know of any way to do this in vivo but I'm sure someone somewhere can.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Maybe you would have to have a couple of layers of glass between you and the objects. But have you stopped the infrared when this is done?
    No.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot5n9m4whaw

    The other observation that I'm aware of is that when, for example, burning a pile of wood and the embers get real hot you can't look at the embers directly. It is as if the lenses of your eyes are focusing the heat in your eyes. But this is only happens when a fire is extremely hot.
    No. Far more likely is that the heat is drying the moisture in your eyes.
    I did find a medical article on the subject "Radiation effects on the eyePart 1 - Infrared radiation effects on ocular tissue"
    http://www.optometry.co.uk/uploads/a...oke1990521.pdf

    so it is causes a range of problems in the eyes. So I won't be looking into hot fires again!

    That CO2 absorption of IR radiation experiment was interesting too. Thanks.
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    Three posts of nonsense (#32-34). You start with the crank "prove me wrong" gambit, that's not how science works. You have made a claim that goes against science (of which you seem incredibly ignorant), it is not up to us to prove you wrong it is up to you to support your claim and address the criticisms already made, if you can't or won't dothis you are wrong by default. This is how science works. You haven't you've just repeated the same nonsense and ignored all objections, standard crackpot (or drug addled rambler) behaviour. I'm done with this crap, I'll just say you are an advert for why drugs are bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse1233 View Post
    Do the cold water and hot water test. You will see what I mean. Look at a cold object, that yellow-red you see will not be there. Go turn on the cold water, look at it with a magnifying glass and you will see very little to no glow. Turn on the hot, and all of a sudden you see a lot of yellow and red.
    Try this -

    Have a friend fill a glass with cool or warm water. Not warm enough to steam, just warm. Stay in the living room. Have him bring the glass out 10 times, each time a random temperature based on a coin flip. Have him put it across the room from you, and just look at it. See how often you guess right. It will be about 50/50 if you do enough trials.

    The reason you are seeing red is because you have taken LSD, and thinking about seeing red will often make you see red. Thus you turn on the hot water, expect to see red and - presto! - you see it.

    Really zoom on those colors if you can. You will see it is not blue, but violet.
    That's proof that it is simple diffraction and not ultraviolet. The end of a diffraction spectrum is violet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse1233 View Post
    I know what I see.
    No. You don't.

    And I am more than intelligent enough to tell the difference between reality, and acid.
    Really?

    If anything, more than me wanting to prove to you guys that, IM SO FUCKING COOL AND CAN SEE NEW COLORS.
    No.

    Is the fact that, we as humans all have the ability to see it.
    No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse1233 View Post
    Also who should I call to get tested for this?
    A good psychiatrist.

    I do not know how to go about proving this...
    Since it's not true you can't prove it.
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    Yup.
    Given that one is a physical impossiblity I'd go with "all in your heads" too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse1233 View Post
    I will close out with this: I know what I see.
    Indeed. Google "synesthesia."

    And I am more than intelligent enough to tell the difference between reality, and acid. I haven't touched drugs in 5 days.
    The effects last days. From Wikipedia: ""Flashbacks" are a reported psychological phenomenon in which an individual experiences an episode of some of LSD's subjective effects long after the drug has worn off, usually in the days after typical doses."

    Although I'm sure none of you would believe me even if I said that I had. I know I wouldn't believe it if I was reading this.
    I'll believe it if you can prove it in a double blind test run by a scientist.

    If anything, more than me wanting to prove to you guys that, IM SO FUCKING COOL AND CAN SEE NEW COLORS. Is the fact that, we as humans all have the ability to see it.
    No, we really don't. And to use your language you are not SO FUCKIN SMART that you are the first one to think about this. This has been tested hundreds of times. which is why we know what range of colors people can see. There's a lot of cool stuff we learned (some women, for example, can see more blues than men) but we're not going to discover tomorrow that we can see down to 1000nm because some guy did acid and experienced synesthesia.

    (Also you are definitely not the first person to do acid and decide that they can see ultraviolet, or hear the stars, or smell the music.)

    I am no different than you.
    Other than recent mind-altering drug use, probably true.
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    My girlfriend see's everything that I see to. So it's not just me alone. Either somehow the acid makes us have the exact same hallucinations 5 days later, and Its just both in our head. Or what we are seeing is reality.
    Or she is suggestible, which a great many people are - and you are prompting her without knowing it. Google "clever Hans." Also google the Observer-Expectancy effect. Quick quote from Wiki - "The observer-expectancy effect (also called the experimenter-expectancy effect, expectancy bias, observer effect, or experimenter effect) is a form of reactivity in which a researcher's cognitive bias causes them to unconsciously influence the participants of an experiment."
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    Your first port of call should be seeing a neurologist, before assuming you can actually see real ultraviolet light and such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse1233 View Post
    I intend on doing no more arguing. To put it simply, I am sober right now. It has been 5 days, I feel no acid.
    Synesthesia can persist far beyond the point of "feeling no acid."

    The light down the road on my neighbors house is a very bright white light, I looked at it everyday. Now it's outlined in a blue and purple glow.
    Good guess that you are therefore perceiving a blue and purple halo. You are not seeing ultraviolet, or infrared, or its spiritual halo, or God. LSD users often experience "haloes" after drug usage.

    From about.com:

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    What Are the Effects of LSD?

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    By altering how serotonin transmitters in the brain and affecting other brain functions, LSD can cause users to experience hallucinations. Users can see images, hear sounds, and feel sensations that seem to be very real, but actually do not exist. . . .
    The long-term effects of using LSD can include persistent psychosis (disorganized thinking, mood disturbances) and flashbacks. Users can experience these long-term consequences sometimes after only one exposure to the drug.
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    Flashbacks: Recurrent Intrusive Images After the Use of LSD
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    Flashbacks are returns of imagery for extended periods after the immediate effect of hallucinogens has worn off . . .The large number of persons using drugs to induce a hallucinatory state of consciousness has led to increasing numbers of reports of flashbacks. These flashbacks are peremptory and recurrent intrusions into awareness long after the ingested drug has worn off.


    The most common and clearest content of the flashbacks seems to involve the visual sensory system, but flashbacks have been reported in any sensory modality: taste, smell, touch, kinesthetics, vestibular changes, and auditory images.

    Flashbacks (flashes, flashing) may persist for weeks or months after the last drug experience. The most important variety is repeated intrusions of frightening images in spite of volitional efforts to avoid them. However, two lesser variants can be described briefly.

    Spontaneous Return of Perceptual Distortions
    Distortions of perception experienced during the drug experience may recur long afterward, as previously reported. Subjective experiences include halo effects, blurred vision, shimmering, or reduplications of percepts, distortion of spatial planes, and changes in normal coloration. Micropsia, macropsia, and tunnel vision may also appear during the period "off" drugs. Examples of such perceptual distortions and elementary sensations are:

    Patient A: Now I often see a bright shiny halo around people, especially at the dark edges-sometimes it's rainbow colors-like during the trip.
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    You sound a lot like Patient A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    On a completely unrelated note: I don't do drugs and I see stupid people. All the time.
    A pink elephant and a purple rhinoceros walk into a bar. The bartender says, "You're early. He's not in yet."
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse1233 View Post
    I just woke up this morning, and sure enough, my lights still have a purple outlining blue glow. This is the only, I guess you could say "After effect" of the acid, why don't I see other colors? Why is this the only color?
    Purple is one of the "interesting" colours because it does not really exist except in our minds. There is no purple in the visible light spectrum. Our brain makes purple by comparing the activity of two different types of cone cells in our eyes and reporting that as purple, but there is no frequency between red and blue that is the colour purple. All that is between red and blue in the visible spectrum are different levels of green and yellow.

    Violet which is below blue on the wavelength scale is not purple either but because we don't have receptors for that specific frequency our brains like to do the same blending with it that we do when we see purple.

    Since acid screws with how our nerve cells fire and causes them to fire too often and too strongly the nerves in the retina, the optic nerve and in the brain's vision centers are oversensitive and trigger each other to fire when they shouldn't.
    Looking at a light is a strong stimulus to the optical system and overdrives it easily.
    The result is trippers often see more purples and often give purple extra "mystic" meanings.
    Trippers also tend to see more patterns and extra colours imposed upon what is really there.

    Like I said earlier.
    If you quit doing acid and other mindbending drugs the effects should fade.
    It might take a while though.
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    IM SO FUCKING COOL AND CAN SEE NEW COLORS
    Just another acid head. We had a whole swarm of these idiots in the 70s.
    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexg View Post
    im so fucking cool and can see new colors
    just another acid head ignorant crank who would rather make shit up than learn and apply science or take on board explanations given by people who know what they are talking about. We had have a whole swarm of these idiots in the 70s. posting on this forum...
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    Incorrect.
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    This is one of the funniest threads I've read on this forum. Stargate, dude, you have GOT to tighten up those logic filters. The OP is clearly wasted from too much drug use. He isn't lying, per se, he's just too cooked to separate reality from his brain damaged hallucinations.
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    Judging by his posts Stargate is often in the same boat as the OP re reality and what goes on in his head, one would assume that this is natural for Stargate without the assistance of drugs although if he was high all the time it might explain his more ludicrous notions.

    This ,for example, could have been nicked from a Cheech and Chong script
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    Excellent we've had the "prove me wrong", now the "Galilieo gambit", my crackpot bingo card is filling up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse1233 View Post
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    This is one of the funniest threads I've read on this forum. Stargate, dude, you have GOT to tighten up those logic filters. The OP is clearly wasted from too much drug use. He isn't lying, per se, he's just too cooked to separate reality from his brain damaged hallucinations.
    You know It is fine to doubt someone on a scientific basis. But to patronize and put down someone is a different matter entirely. You may doubt me, but if I'm right, I really hope you guys know how much of an ass you are making yourselves out to be. You may as well be the people who put Galileo to his death. Doubt me you may. but really, "Im too cooked to separate hallucinations from reality?"
    I don't just doubt you, I think you're a deluded fool with brain damage from long term drug abuse. You have said nothing to cause me to think otherwise and you demonstrated no aptitude for scientific thinking. You're just another humorous piece of flotsam drifting through the forums. Once the mods clear you out of the machinery you'll be forgotten like the rest.
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    Could you explain why you decided to look at a fluorescent bulb to "see" UV, as opposed to, say, simply looking at an object in sunlight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse1233 View Post
    You may as well be the people who put Galileo to his death.
    Exactly!
    My real name is "heart palpitations" and one of the other guys is "fever".

    but really, "Im too cooked to separate hallucinations from reality?"
    Considering that you're under the impression that Galileo was put to death what do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
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    Yes, and he's wrong about that. Why do you automatically believe him?
    How do you know he is wrong? He has no reason to lie?
    That doesn't answer my question. Why do you believe something amazing and incredible just because some random stranger says it?
    I do not find it amazing or incredible, there are many people who are capable of doing things other people cannot do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    I do not find it amazing or incredible, there are many people who are capable of doing things other people cannot do.
    Yeah, you've already given examples.
    Unfortunately those examples turned out to be false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DogLady View Post
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    Yes, and he's wrong about that. Why do you automatically believe him?
    How do you know he is wrong? He has no reason to lie?
    One needn't deliberately lie to be totally wrong. All the research on human vision has shown an inability to perceive ultraviolet. This has been reproduced in a multitude of studies. LSD is a known hallucinogen, particularly triggering visual hallucinations. This has been reproduced in a multitude of studies. When someone takes a hit of acid and tells me he sees something no other human can, and something he couldn't see before the acid, I don't suddenly cry, "Eureka! It's a scientific breakthrough!" The simplest explanation is that he hallucinated.
    Even if he is not knowledgeable of what he is seeing, all probability he is seeing something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse1233 View Post
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    Yes, and he's wrong about that. Why do you automatically believe him?
    How do you know he is wrong? He has no reason to lie?
    That doesn't answer my question. Why do you believe something amazing and incredible just because some random stranger says it?
    I do not find it amazing or incredible, there are many people who are capable of doing things other people cannot do.
    I do not want to be looked at as having the ability to do something others can't. I want everyone to realize that we all can see UV light.... I am no different biologically than you. I have simply opened my brain through the use of a drug to no longer ignore otherwise invisible light. Humans have always had the ability to see UV and IR, our brains just have no use for it.
    The question is this, can science accept this or even know how to approach something like this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse1233 View Post
    It is only under fluorescent light and sunlight that I can see it.
    Really?
    You're obviously not aware that fluourescent light emits almost negligible UV.
    A 1993 study in the US found that ultraviolet exposure from sitting under fluorescent lights for eight hours is equivalent to only one minute of sun exposure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    The question is this, can science accept this or even know how to approach something like this?
    No, the real question is: why are so gullible?
    Science can explain it quite readily - as has been shown numerous times in this thread.
    It's all in his mind.
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    This is one of the funniest threads I've read on this forum. Stargate, dude, you have GOT to tighten up those logic filters. The OP is clearly wasted from too much drug use. He isn't lying, per se, he's just too cooked to separate reality from his brain damaged hallucinations.
    You know It is fine to doubt someone on a scientific basis. But to patronize and put down someone is a different matter entirely. You may doubt me, but if I'm right, I really hope you guys know how much of an ass you are making yourselves out to be. You may as well be the people who put Galileo to his death. Doubt me you may. but really, "Im too cooked to separate hallucinations from reality?"
    I don't just doubt you, I think you're a deluded fool with brain damage from long term drug abuse. You have said nothing to cause me to think otherwise and you demonstrated no aptitude for scientific thinking. You're just another humorous piece of flotsam drifting through the forums. Once the mods clear you out of the machinery you'll be forgotten like the rest.
    I think this is kind of narrow mindedness on your part flick, he does not sound deluded to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse1233 View Post
    I do not want to be looked at as having the ability to do something others can't. I want everyone to realize that we all can see UV light.... I am no different biologically than you. I have simply opened my brain through the use of a drug to no longer ignore otherwise invisible light. Humans have always had the ability to see UV and IR, our brains just have no use for it.
    Complete bull.

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    Look up the catarax patients who saw UV light, and compare their description to mine. You will find them eerily similar. I know what I see.
    Yes.
    Cataract patients have had the lens in their eye physically altered.
    In other words, nothing at all like your claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    I think this is kind of narrow mindedness on your part flick, he does not sound deluded to me.
    But YOU have already shown, many times, that you're deluded.
    So this is just a case of all loonies sticking together.

    Quote Originally Posted by pulse1233 View Post
    But they do emmit UV light and it not negligible. 8 hours to one minute in the sun sounds about right.
    You're talking crap again.
    Two orders of magnitude lower...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    he does not sound deluded to me.
    You often strike me as a bit lax in your interpretation of science, but if you think a single lick of what this burnout is saying is even worth taking seriously, then I've overestimated my opinion of you. I genuinely hope you come to your senses.

    What this guy is saying is not only biologically impossible, but he's admitted that his experiences happen under while under the influences of a known hallucinogenic. If you think that doesn't completely ruin his credibility, then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.
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    I want everyone to realize that we all can see UV light.... I am no different biologically than you
    You're an acid riddled idiot. The rods and cones of the human eye do not physically respond to UV. It doesn't matter what shit you ingest, they don't see UV.

    That sounds like science to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse1233 View Post
    I will close out with this
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    Why is it that nutcases can't keep their promises?
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    This guy is showing the same delusional stupidity as theorist but with better spelling
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse1233 View Post
    Because you guy's insist on arguing
    Wrong again.
    We have given you the FACTS - you're the one that's arguing.

    but I do see UV light
    No. You don't.

    and one day you will hear my name on the news
    Probably.
    Most news programmes have the final two minutes to show how loony some people can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse1233 View Post
    I mean you may be right, and everything I see is just my mind wanting to see it there, and the acid still in my body. But I mean I know what I see, I do not know how I have done it, But I can see UV light, like I said, If I were to go to a lab. I am %95 positive, I would be able to tell them whether or not the UV laser they're testing with is on.
    That's the experimenter-expectancy effect. A good lab test would indicate for sure.

    It would be better if I saw this glow around everything, but I don't. I only see it on objects that either reflect or create UV light...
    And some LSD users see haloes only around people. Everyone's experience is a little different.

    I guess you could say "After effect" of the acid, why don't I see other colors?
    Because you have convinced yourself that you can only see a halo around certain lights.

    I mean hallucinations are one thing, but I know what light looks like, and what I see is light.
    You are seeing haloes, which is what many LSD users see.

    Let's look at this a different way. We know that cataracts cause difficulty in seeing in bright light; everything seems foggy. Now let's say you knew someone with cataracts, and they said they saw ghosts. Imagine a conversation like this:

    "I see ghosts! In some places everything seems foggy, like there are spirits floating around."
    "Don't you have cataracts? They can cause your vision to seem foggy."
    "No, I don't see them all the time."
    "Right, it generally happens in bright light."
    "No, they're not cataracts, this is like a foggy spirit covering everything. It doesn't look like something blocking my vision. And it only happens during the day."
    "That's the bright light thing."
    "No, it's something new I learned about ghosts! They only come out during the day."

    Now, that person might indeed be seeing ghosts. But the more likely explanation is that his cataracts are causing exactly the effect that medical science would predict - just as medical science predicts that people will often see haloes around things after using LSD.

    I really hope the university messages me back.
    Hopefully. Let us know what they tell you.
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    I have no way at all to prove this, but I think maybe when we are all babies, we see UV and IR light, our brain's just find that we have no use for it and soon begins to ignore them.
    A baby would have no use for the ability to see more detail in their food and their environment, and under poorer lighting conditions. than everyone else? If that's true why can they see colors at all?
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    If you think that doesn't completely ruin his credibility, then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.
    Hey, back off Flick. That's my frigging bridge!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse1233 View Post
    These "halos" that I see are a physical phenomena
    That's still an unsupported assumption on your part.

    I am a skeptic. I am skeptical of everything around me
    Not supported by your posts.

    I am smart
    Also not supported by your posts.
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    Arguing with an acid head is like arguing with a brick wall.
    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
    Philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
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    he does not sound deluded to me.
    You often strike me as a bit lax in your interpretation of science, but if you think a single lick of what this burnout is saying is even worth taking seriously, then I've overestimated my opinion of you. I genuinely hope you come to your senses.

    What this guy is saying is not only biologically impossible, but he's admitted that his experiences happen under while under the influences of a known hallucinogenic. If you think that doesn't completely ruin his credibility, then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.
    OK, lets assume he took drugs and he says he can see ultra violet light, does it means what he saw is not real, if it is not real, what is it? I would suspect his body is responding to something he took, what is that light he says he sees? Flick, are you saying the effects of the drug could not produce the ability to see ultraviolet light. I do not think we should just dismiss his claims, but find out specifically what he saw from him, although I think he is trying to do that. We tend to think science is always right but it too have had to make adjustments in its conclusions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    OK, lets assume he took drugs and he says he can see ultra violet light, does it means what he saw is not real, if it is not real, what is it?
    1) He clearly stated that he'd taken drugs.
    2) The drug he took is a known hallucinogen.
    3) The fact that seeing UV is a physical impossibilty is a pretty good indicator that it's not real.
    4) We have already explained what it is.

    I do not think we should just dismiss his claims
    Of course we f*cking should.
    The reason why we should has been pointed more than once.

    We tend to think science is always right but it too have had to make adjustments in its conclusions.
    Stop talking bollocks.

    The fact that you have no idea what science is, and how it works - and the fact that you're prone to mind-numbing stupidity with regard to science - should give you clues that your input is wrong.
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