I believe i'm on to something really big here!? Accelerated travel fold space time light speed?

**Mikeulon** · February 24th, 2014, 11:36 AM

Last night I was up late watching a special on the Bermuda triangle when something possibly a huge discovery hit me. Light speed travel. Sounds kind of far fetched but hear me out. Now before I explain the basis of my theory I would like to say I am still missing a piece and i'm no scientist so i have no way to test or play with my idea to confirm or deny it actually being valid. so I will link the websites that I read in A list at the bottom of what i'm typing because that my help you get a good idea of what i'm talking about if I don't do a good job of explaining. I feel like the web browser tabs I have open right now hold most of the keys to light speed travel. Enough of that here's what I noticed.... Out of the few weird unexplained incidents that happened in the triangle there were a few accounts that had basically the same thing happen where they disappeared and wound up hundred of miles where they should have been in a impossibly short amount of time. All talk of a strange gray cloud above the ocean that comes towards them and they cant avoid. my order of explanation here may be off but here's what I believe is possibly going on whether its one or all of the things i'm going to mention combined. let me first talk about the "rogue wave" I researched a little bit and I came to ask myself a question that I couldn't find an answer for on the internet.. Could there be such thing as a "rogue" pure energy wave??? In theory an energy wave alone could move an object. Lets move on to the next thing.I noticed in one account the captain of a boat explains the boat and crew glowing a red orange and the deck of the boat being magnetized. I was doing a lot of researched and found this: Scientist have wondered if the giant release of volcanic gas under the ocean could capsize ships and such in Bermuda so I checked into what is released from volcanoes when they erupt as far as gas. In the article I read they talked of large amounts of helium gas being released. When reading about helium gas I learned that when It is in a electromagnetic field the gas will glow a orange red.... coincidence? So i began wondering about this cloud and I have a rough explanation that I would like debunked or looked at. I read just recently we learned how to freeze create a magnetic gas. its not easy as it has to be very very cold. Now I put together in my head this: If there is large amounts of helium and other ferromagnetic gas coming from the volcano underwater then it could be possible the helium is freezing the magnetic gas instantly under water in part do to the fact that its under a huge vacuum/pressure. could this cloud be a exploding ball of frozen helium gas mixed with gaseous ferromagnetic particles? that would explain them being attracted to the first metal object in the area and might be even faster to go towards it if it is generating a magnetic field already? I believe when this situation happens and these things all come together at the perfect time that its possibly creating a fold in space time or these people are riding a "rogue" energy wave that's carrying them because of their magnetic field. I think i'm onto something here but a good debunking could be in order. I'm ready to spam this on scientific forums. Please help me understand/solve this. The future of earth and space exploration could depend on it??? This is a natural phenomenon we need to test/ recreate.

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**Dywyddyr** · February 24th, 2014, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

Last night I was up late watching a special on the Bermuda triangle

Don't watch crap like that, it rots your brain.
There is NOTHING weird, unusual or special about the so-called "Bermuda Triangle".
Except for A) the number of books written about it and B) the number of people gullible enough to believe those books.

Ergo: nothing requires an explanation.
Ergo: what follows is based on false information that you have accepted as genuine.
(What little I forced myself to read of your "theory" is nonsense).

**PhDemon** · February 24th, 2014, 11:49 AM

...and C) how incredicibly shit the song is.

Barry Manillow - Bermuda Triangle - YouTube

(Sorry...)

**dan hunter** · February 24th, 2014, 12:18 PM

About the only things unusual about the Bermuda triangle area are:
1) it is a poorly defined area.
2) there are a lot of really inexperienced sailors in the area who go to sea without properly preparing.
3) the possibility of gas clathrates (methane hydrates) on the seafloor.

#3 is the most interesting one.
https://woodshole.er.usgs.gov/project-pages/hydrates/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate

**Flick Montana** · February 24th, 2014, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

Could there be such thing as a "rogue" pure energy wave???

Sure, if you're ignorant of/willing to ignore conservation of energy.

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

In theory an energy wave alone could move an object.

Yeah, like the starship Voyager. Why am I reading this?!

**Mikeulon** · February 24th, 2014, 12:32 PM

I am in no way suggesting there is something magical or mythical about the triangle itself. What I am suggesting is that due to a possible electro-magnetic-chemical reaction with gasses becoming frozen solids creates a phenomenon or event we have no scientific explanation for yet . This is a natural phenomenon that has occurred that I believe could be created in a lab..... Jokes aside and imagine this: A large clear box for an experiment. In this box we recreate what is actually happening. We have a helium gas release under extreme pressure with super heated magnetic metal gas being instantly frozen by the helium. This solid magnetic gas ball in theory would then float upward until the point when it thaws most likely well over the water level. As it dissipates the magnetically charged gas cloud would then be attracted to lets say a metal boat we have floating in the tank nearby. I believe there is an unseen reaction we cannot explain that happens at this time. a possible pure energy wave that the ship can now sail on being covered in this electrically charged magnetic helium dust. I'm no scientist i'm sure there are holes in what I'm trying to portray here and some things that don't work or I may be ignorant on. I still believe there is something here. None of the sites that I checked for information have anything to do with the Bermuda triangle at all except for one which is simply a historical log with some quotes from some people experiencing the phenomenon id like to recreate but this phenomenon has occurred in other places so again forget about Bermuda.

**PhDemon** · February 24th, 2014, 12:35 PM

Have you ever studied any science? At all? Judging by this nonsense I'm guessing the answer is no. A bit of friendly advice, if you have a question ask it, I'd leave speculating until you understand at least the basics.

**Beer w/Straw** · February 24th, 2014, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

Last night I was up late watching a special on the Bermuda triangle....

I lost interest before finishing that first sentence.

It's the way it is.

**Dywyddyr** · February 24th, 2014, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

What I am suggesting is that due to a possible electro-magnetic-chemical reaction with gasses becoming frozen solids creates a phenomenon or event we have no scientific explanation for yet .

Since there has been no phenomenon observed then there is no explanation - scientific or otherwise - required.

This is a natural phenomenon

Source please.

In this box we recreate what is actually happening.

Since NOTHING is happening (that we know of) what is there to reproduce?

We have a helium gas release under extreme pressure with super heated magnetic metal gas being instantly frozen by the helium.

What?

This solid magnetic gas ball

Um, if it's solid then it's not a gas.

in theory would then float upward

Why? What makes you think this?

I believe there is an unseen reaction we cannot explain that happens at this time

Er, you believe there's an unseen reaction from something that, so far as we know, doesn't happen and THAT accounts for something else that hasn't happened?
You've convinced me.

a possible pure energy wave

What?

that the ship can now sail on

Nonsense.

being covered in this electrically charged magnetic helium dust

Oh, you just lost me. By introducing another fictional component.

I'm no scientist

You don't say.

i'm sure there are holes in what I'm trying to portray here and some things that don't work or I may be ignorant on

I can go with that.

I still believe there is something here

You "have something" to explain something that didn't happen. Great.

None of the sites that I checked for information have anything to do with the Bermuda triangle at all except for one which is simply a historical log with some quotes from some people experiencing the phenomenon

What "phenomenon"?
How do you know that what you're reading is factual? Especially given all the crap posted about the "Bermuda Triangle"?

id like to recreate but this phenomenon has occurred in other places

And those "other places" would be... where, exactly?
How do you know that this "phenomenon" is as you've (badly) reported it? How do you know that there WAS a "phenomenon"?

**Mikeulon** · February 24th, 2014, 12:59 PM

I'll try to make this easier to understand I have a really hard time explaining my thoughts. Its so much to explain I can see why nobody is remotely following me at all. I literally would need to write a paper and i'm losing motivation right now. Think about it for a while do some research on electrically charged volcano's. Helium will freeze magnetic gas under extreme pressure or vacuum. Here's the links that helped me piece it together maybe you will see what my puzzle is maybe not. Really I need someone with a good understanding of electromagnetism and how a magnetic gas would affect them. I realize wiki is bs I only used it as a general grounds for basic information that is actually true. Last on the list is an account of the phenomenon i would like to recreate.

Electromagnetic radiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Lorentz force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Helium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Helium Gas As Volcano Eruption Detector : Discovery News
Second sound - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sulfur dioxide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Quantum Electrodynamics - YouTube
The Dark Side of Time - YouTube
Experiments on wave turbulence: the evolution of second sound acoustic turbulence in superfluid - YouTube
Scientists Create First Ever Magnetic Gas | Popular Science

**Lynx_Fox** · February 24th, 2014, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

I am in no way suggesting there is something magical or mythical about the triangle itself. What I am suggesting is that due to a possible electro-magnetic-chemical reaction with gasses becoming frozen solids creates a phenomenon or event we have no scientific explanation for yet .

There's not only no evidence explaining the phenomena.

There's no evidence suggesting there EVEN IS A phenomena to study.

**MacGyver1968** · February 24th, 2014, 01:00 PM

You know whats even more dangerous than the Burmuda Triangle?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**PhDemon** · February 24th, 2014, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

I'll try to make this easier to understand I have a really hard time explaining my thoughts. Its so much to explain I can see why nobody is remotely following me at all. I literally would need to write a paper and i'm losing motivation right now. Think about it for a while do some research on electrically charged volcano's. Helium will freeze magnetic gas under extreme pressure or vacuum. Here's the links that helped me piece it together maybe you will see what my puzzle is maybe not. Really I need someone with a good understanding of electromagnetism and how a magnetic gas would affect them. I realize wiki is bs I only used it as a general grounds for basic information that is actually true. Last on the list is an account of the phenomenon i would like to recreate.

Electromagnetic radiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Lorentz force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Helium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Helium Gas As Volcano Eruption Detector : Discovery News
Second sound - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sulfur dioxide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Quantum Electrodynamics - YouTube
The Dark Side of Time - YouTube
Experiments on wave turbulence: the evolution of second sound acoustic turbulence in superfluid - YouTube
Scientists Create First Ever Magnetic Gas | Popular Science

I'll try and make it easier for you to understand. We do not need to do "research", most if the people on this forum have had a science education and understand science (some of us are professional scientists). You obviously have no clue. You do not understand science. Your made up nonsense is laughable. If you have a question and want to improve your understanding we will help. If you continue to make up gibberish we will laugh at you.

**Mikeulon** · February 24th, 2014, 01:10 PM

Where do you suggest I go to read about actual studies done involving electromagnetism. What is the valid source you all have I ask only so I can become less ignorant on the subject. Long ago maybe 15 years ago lets say I heard a story. It may be just a story because I don't even know where to begin checking validity of anything these days apparently but anyways a story of a military ship out experimenting on electromagnetics. Long story short experiment went wrong and people became fused with the metal of the ship and once again a mysterious disappearance and reappearance of a large vessel in a unexplained amount of time. This disappearance and reappearance has been logged on multiple occasions. This disappearance and reappearance is the phenomena I refer to. I suppose I would need to go get flight logs from control towers to show you actual irrefutable evidence that it has happened numerous times..

**PhDemon** · February 24th, 2014, 01:15 PM

Find a good high school textbook, that would be the place I recommend you start given the "knowledge" you have dispalyed so far.

**Harold14370** · February 24th, 2014, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

Where do you suggest I go to read about actual studies done involving electromagnetism. What is the valid source you all have I ask only so I can become less ignorant on the subject. Long ago maybe 15 years ago lets say I heard a story. It may be just a story because I don't even know where to begin checking validity of anything these days apparently but anyways a story of a military ship out experimenting on electromagnetics. Long story short experiment went wrong and people became fused with the metal of the ship and once again a mysterious disappearance and reappearance of a large vessel in a unexplained amount of time. This disappearance and reappearance has been logged on multiple occasions. This disappearance and reappearance is the phenomena I refer to. I suppose I would need to go get flight logs from control towers to show you actual irrefutable evidence that it has happened numerous times..

There's no need to do that. You are thinking of the Philadelphia Experiment, which has been debunked many times.
Philadelphia Experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**Dywyddyr** · February 24th, 2014, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

I realize wiki is bs

Yeah. As in no.
On the other hand YouTube IS (mostly) BS.

Last on the list is an account of the phenomenon i would like to recreate.

The question arises: WHY do you want to recreate this?
Oh, and another (two) question(s).
Is this the phenomenon that YOU said is"is a natural phenomenon" - er, the title happens to be Scientists Create First Ever Magnetic Gas.
Is this also the phenomenon that you said you "believe could be created in a lab" when you knew that it had been done?

**Dywyddyr** · February 24th, 2014, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

Long story short experiment went wrong and people became fused with the metal of the ship and once again a mysterious disappearance and reappearance of a large vessel in a unexplained amount of time. This disappearance and reappearance has been logged on multiple occasions. This disappearance and reappearance is the phenomena I refer to. I suppose I would need to go get flight logs from control towers to show you actual irrefutable evidence that it has happened numerous times..

Like Harold said: it's a fabrication and is thoroughly discredited by the facts.
(Just little ones, you know, like the ship in question wasn't even there at the time. The people supposedly involved, weren't. Etc. Etc.)

**Mikeulon** · February 24th, 2014, 02:03 PM

I want to recreate it because I think there is a reaction that can happen that allows the said object to travel from point A to point B at high speeds approx (2,000) mph estimated by distance traveled by time to get there.

The reason I say natural phenomenon is I believe that even though we just made it happen for the first time ever in a lab doesn't mean it hasn't already happened millions of time in nature. Helium release under pressure/vacuum could in theory freeze a magnetic gas if there was a magnetic gas there in very close proximity right?

Yes it has been done but in the experiment they didn't use compressed/vacuumedhelium to freeze it. They trying were create it rather than even considering it could happen naturally and trying to replicate that scenario.

**PhDemon** · February 24th, 2014, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

I want to recreate it because I think there is a reaction that can happen that allows the said object to travel from point A to point B at high speeds approx (2,000) mph estimated by distance traveled by time to get there.

Why would you think that? You have just made it up.

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

The reason I say natural phenomenon is I believe that even though we just made it happen for the first time ever in a lab doesn't mean it hasn't already happened millions of time in nature. Helium release under pressure/vacuum could in theory freeze a magnetic gas if there was a magnetic gas there in very close proximity right?

Why would you believe that? You appear to be just making stuff up.

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

Yes it has been done but in the experiment they didn't use compressed/vacuumedhelium to freeze it. They trying were create it rather than even considering it could happen naturally and trying to replicate that scenario.

This just makes no sense. You appear to be just making stuff up.

**Mikeulon** · February 24th, 2014, 02:13 PM

Flight 19 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.stealthskater.com/Documents/Bermuda_02.pdf
Philadelphia Experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Source Of 'Philadelphia Experiment' Story?

**Dywyddyr** · February 24th, 2014, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

I want to recreate it because I think there is a reaction that can happen

Why do you think there's a "reaction"?

that allows the said object to travel from point A to point B at high speeds approx (2,000) mph estimated by distance traveled by time to get there.

How can you "estimate" a travel time when you have no data?
Your "estimate" is based entirely on a falsehood.

The reason I say natural phenomenon is I believe that even though we just made it happen for the first time ever in a lab doesn't mean it hasn't already happened millions of time in nature.

No. you stated, and I quote: This is a natural phenomenon that has occurred.
Now you're saying that you think it's natural and that it may have occurred? And assign a number? WHY do you think it's occurred "m,illions of times in nature"?

Helium release under pressure/vacuum could in theory freeze a magnetic gas if there was a magnetic gas there in very close proximity right?

Title of the piece YOU linked to: FIRST EVER.
That's a good indication that it is NOT a natural occurrence.

They trying were create it rather than even considering it could happen naturally and trying to replicate that scenario.

Since there have been no observations of it then why would ANYONE assume it could happen naturally?

**Mikeulon** · February 24th, 2014, 02:17 PM

ok i will site it.. give me some time please thanks

Originally Posted by Mikeulon
Yes it has been done but in the experiment they didn't use compressed/vacuumedhelium to freeze it. They trying were create it rather than even considering it could happen naturally and trying to replicate that scenario.

**Dywyddyr** · February 24th, 2014, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

Flight 19 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Doesn't support your contention.

http://www.stealthskater.com/Documents/Bermuda_02.pdf

Utter crank. Pseudoscientific crap.

Philadelphia Experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did you read all of it? Especially the "Evidence" and "Inconsistencies" sections?

Source Of 'Philadelphia Experiment' Story?

You do know that Rense is a nutcase site, don't you?

**PhDemon** · February 24th, 2014, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

Flight 19 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.stealthskater.com/Documents/Bermuda_02.pdf
Philadelphia Experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Source Of 'Philadelphia Experiment' Story?

None of which have any relevance to the stuff you are making up about mythical reactions (apart from possibily the Bermuda 02.pdf which seems to be a non-peer reviewed woo filled travesty of a paper, if you want an idea of how research should be presented I refer you to any of the publications on my home page. If this is the level you are at and you insist on making stuff up I'll leave you to it. My time this week is too limited to spend on nonsense.

**Mikeulon** · February 24th, 2014, 02:45 PM

I think there is a reaction because nobody has come up with any logical way of explaining how an aircraft can travel from point a to point b so fast. This has been recorded although I haven't sited it specifically yet. When I say recorded i'm referring to the information supplied by air traffic controllers at the time. The information shows where the aircraft was last seen and then also where the aircraft reappeared hundreds of miles away in a very inexplicable amount of time.

The data left by the air traffic controllers closely details the approximate time and distance traveled so there's how you get 2,000mph the math has been done.

I say it has happened millions of times because that's what science as I know it would suggest if I understand what I read correctly. Helium under vacuum/ or compression will drop to a very low temperature? you would have to do the math, if this is valid, to see if the vacuum/compression at the bottom of the ocean would be enough to make it happen if I am not. If in fact "it" or the instant freezing of magnetic gas in some form through contact with pressurized helium would freeze the gas? possibly the rapid temp change under pressure would create a new reaction I dont know about.

"The thermal conductivity of helium II is greater than that of any other known substance, a million times that of helium I and several hundred times that ofcopper.^[8] This is because heat conduction occurs by an exceptional quantum mechanism. Most materials that conduct heat well have a valence band of free electrons which serve to transfer the heat. Helium II has no such valence band but nevertheless conducts heat well. The flow of heat is governed by equations that are similar to the wave equation used to characterize sound propagation in air. When heat is introduced, it moves at 20 meters per second at 1.8 K through helium II as waves in a phenomenon known as second sound.^{[8]" This is were I created a "rogue" energy wave likely I just dont understand fully...}
If nobody ever saw the big bang then what makes you think it would happen in nature? -i mean no attitude. Thanks

**Mikeulon** · February 24th, 2014, 02:52 PM

Maybe you guys are right and i should quit flogging the horse. I was up late when looking and reading all this crap so who knows what I think is going on lol. I was wondering if helium because of its conductivity level mixed with a electromagnetic reaction of any sort would make a sail-able "rogue" energy wave possible. For instance maybe an energy wave can be ridden if the vessel is electromagnetically charged. Does that make any sense or still pointless created nonsense? Thanks for your time you guys are great. I know there is an infinite amount of things to learn. I'm just a mechanic I fix stuff. I look to you guys the brains of the operation when it comes to what I don't understand.

**Dywyddyr** · February 24th, 2014, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

I think there is a reaction because nobody has come up with any logical way of explaining how an aircraft can travel from point a to point b so fast.

Nobody has come up with an explanation for one simple reason: it didn't actually happen.

This has been recorded although I haven't sited it specifically yet.

Then what are you talking about?

I say it has happened millions of times because that's what science as I know it would suggest if I understand what I read correctly.

But you DIDN'T read it properly.
The gas was cooled to 150 millionths of a degree above absolute zero.
On Earth: the lowest naturally occurring temperature ever recorded on the surface on Earth: −89.2 °C. (I.e. ~184 above absolute zero).
Elsewhere: the lowest naturally occurring temperature in the universe is that of the CMBR i.e 2.73 K.
I.e. IT DOES NOT HAPPEN.

If nobody ever saw the big bang then what makes you think it would happen in nature? -i mean no attitude. Thanks

Because we CAN see the evidence that it happened.

**Mikeulon** · February 24th, 2014, 03:02 PM

The number one thing that got me going was the captain talking about a glowing ship and crew. If it was true, he explained it as a phosphorous glow. I put two and two together and realized that under a magnetic field helium gas glows. Could it be his ship was in a magnetic field with large amounts of helium rising up from the depths around it? Or is it all just lies? Would the helium need to be contained to glow?

**Flick Montana** · February 24th, 2014, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

The number one thing that got me going was the captain talking about a glowing ship and crew. If it was true, he explained it as a phosphorous glow. I put two and two together and realized that under a magnetic field helium gas glows. Could it be his ship was in a magnetic field with large amounts of helium rising up from the depths around it? Or is it all just lies? Would the helium need to be contained to glow?

This does NOT fit Occam's Razor.

First, helium doesn't just glow in the presence of a magnetic field. The Earth is constantly in the presence of a magnetic field and helium balloons do not glow (though it would be cool if they did). In addition to that, where would this massive amount of helium be released from in the first place?

Finally, the whole thing is anecdotal anyways so it's only barely worth considering.

**Mikeulon** · February 24th, 2014, 03:07 PM

Ahh i see so your saying that the only possible way we know of at this time to make something that cold is this laser they used? Synthetically. That nothing in nature could possible react to ever hit that close to absolute zero right that we know of anyway?

**Mikeulon** · February 24th, 2014, 03:13 PM

large amounts of helium are trapped below sea level. Scientists figured out they could predict volcanoes based on tracing the amount of helium released in certain areas. This helium release could be natural. also I'm assuming by this story that the ship in question has its own magnetic field at the time. A temporary field? Why how I don't know. Thanks
"Occam's Razor" i will read up on this. any insight as to how the glowing helium thing works?

**Mikeulon** · February 24th, 2014, 03:17 PM

In the end I suppose you saw it from the start. I was trying to solve the riddle of the bermuda triangle and in turn I was assuming we missed something but for now its all mumbo jumbo until I find irrefutable evidence of the supposed unexplained quick travel I have been referring two. Need data not stories.

**Flick Montana** · February 24th, 2014, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

any insight as to how the glowing helium thing works?

Well...the Sun.

**Dywyddyr** · February 24th, 2014, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

The number one thing that got me going was the captain talking about a glowing ship and crew.

It's worse than that.
Unless you have access to the original report - which in any case would only say what the captain thought happened - then you don't know whether or not the story has been, er, embellished.
That happens a great deal on crank sites and in the sort of book that promulgates this type of nonsense.

**Mikeulon** · February 24th, 2014, 03:28 PM

What If a electromagnetic reaction of some sort happened with the power that would normally destroy a ship or plane had helium randomly rise up that created a "shield" protecting the vessel and allowing it to take be moved via lorentz force or in other words "rogue energy wave" Does that make sense?

**MacGyver1968** · February 24th, 2014, 03:33 PM

**Mikeulon** · February 24th, 2014, 03:38 PM

There are principals at work here I obviously do not fully grasp. Thanks for the input guys!!

**Flick Montana** · February 24th, 2014, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

What If a electromagnetic reaction of some sort happened with the power that would normally destroy a ship or plane had helium randomly rise up that created a "shield" protecting the vessel and allowing it to take be moved via lorentz force or in other words "rogue energy wave" Does that make sense?

Alternatively, what if the Enterprise swooped down and extended her shields around the ship?

**PhDemon** · February 24th, 2014, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

There are principals at work here I obviously do not fully grasp.

Churchill - Oh yes - YouTube

**Mikeulon** · February 24th, 2014, 03:53 PM

So nowhere in any of this garbage I wrote about does anyone feel there may be keys to high speed travel? Something we are missing? Electromagnetism, helium, lorentz force, and second sound... Nobody, anybody anything? Was it all complete garbage?

**PhDemon** · February 24th, 2014, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

Was it all complete garbage?

Churchill - Oh yes - YouTube

**tk421** · February 24th, 2014, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

Flight 19 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://www.stealthskater.com/Documents/Bermuda_02.pdf Philadelphia Experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Source Of 'Philadelphia Experiment' Story?

Mike -- if you're going to be taken seriously on a science site, you're going to have to develop a much better BS detector. Apparently, you think that anything on the web is relevant and perhaps trustworthy. Why would you think so? Aren't you aware that people make stuff up? Sometimes they earnestly believe the crap they post, but others try to make a buck off of credulous folk. You cited rense.com as a source. Rense.com. Really? (snide eyeroll, accompanied by snorts of derision.)

Take a look at rense.com's homepage. Aside from the sensory assault by all the blinking, flashing nonsense, there are statements like "cancer is a fungus!" and other idiocy of that kind. To cite them is to announce to the world "I can't tell the difference between filet mignon and crapsteak!"

A good scientist doesn't just go hunting about for confirmation that others believe in the same thing. A good scientist actively tries to come up with ways in which she could be fooling herself. She knows that she'd better work hard to find the holes in her theory, because others surely will. Better to pre-empt them.

**Mikeulon** · February 24th, 2014, 05:10 PM

Discovery channels bermuda triangle exposed is what I was watching. I assumed if it was on discovery it would have some credibility. The flight 19 cite was just the first thing I found. Figured there has to be a reasonable scientific explanation for it all other than human lies and stupidity.

**PhDemon** · February 24th, 2014, 05:17 PM

Generally speaking if it's from a random (especially crackpot written) internet site or a TV show,

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

lies and stupidity.

,

is a pretty good assumption unless you can find credible research to back it up. NEVER just believe the first thing you read on the internet...

**Dywyddyr** · February 24th, 2014, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

I assumed if it was on discovery it would have some credibility.

I don't have a TV but the last time I watched anything on Discovery (about 6-7 years ago) that channel didn't have much credibility as far as I was concerned.
Too glib.
Too prone to giving the "popularised" version.
Too prepared to skip over the nitty griity that you're hoping for.

**tk421** · February 24th, 2014, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

Discovery channels bermuda triangle exposed is what I was watching. I assumed if it was on discovery it would have some credibility. The flight 19 cite was just the first thing I found. Figured there has to be a reasonable scientific explanation for it all other than human lies and stupidity.

BS detector lesson #1: TV channels have to make money. They learned a long time ago that the public tunes away from hard science stories in droves. In response, you get "documentaries" about ancient UFOs, biblical miracles ("How did Jesus walk on water? Maybe he could transmute water into Jello" and that sort of thing), perpetual motion and yes, the Bermuda Triangle.

For science, go to science journals. The farther removed you get from that type of source, the more fluff you encounter. And the closer you get to mass media, the greater the likelihood that the reportage has been juiced up (sometimes to the point of fabrication).

**Dywyddyr** · February 24th, 2014, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

I think there is a reaction because nobody has come up with any logical way of explaining how an aircraft can travel from point a to point b so fast. This has been recorded although I haven't sited it specifically yet. When I say recorded i'm referring to the information supplied by air traffic controllers at the time. The information shows where the aircraft was last seen and then also where the aircraft reappeared hundreds of miles away in a very inexplicable amount of time.
The data left by the air traffic controllers closely details the approximate time and distance traveled so there's how you get 2,000mph the math has been done.

Presumably you're talking about Bruce Gernon.
All we've got is his own story (i.e. we don't have actual reports from air traffic control - only what HE says they said).
And, surprise, he's now promoting - and selling - a book about it.
(And, even more surprise, he turns out have seen "dozens" of UFOs).

**MagiMaster** · February 24th, 2014, 10:39 PM

Discover Channel still has a few decent shows, but by and large they've given up on integrity because there's too few people out there that care to make money on honest shows. (The Science Channel seems to be where most of their integrity went. It's not perfect either, but it's a lot better.)

**adelady** · February 25th, 2014, 02:26 AM

The number one thing that got me going was the captain talking about a glowing ship and crew.

But they're at sea!

The first thing anyone would/ should think of would be all those weird and wonderful phosphorescent critters and similar phenomena that happen either seasonally or related to the phase of the moon/ tides or a few that are consistent. Though something this big is more likely one of the now & then events.

Not the first thing actually. The first thing is the reliability of the observation. There's always the question of how tired, hungry, intoxicated the captain was at the time. And was he wearing his glasses?

**exchemist** · February 25th, 2014, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by Mikeulon

Maybe you guys are right and i should quit flogging the horse. I was up late when looking and reading all this crap so who knows what I think is going on lol. I was wondering if helium because of its conductivity level mixed with a electromagnetic reaction of any sort would make a sail-able "rogue" energy wave possible. For instance maybe an energy wave can be ridden if the vessel is electromagnetically charged. Does that make any sense or still pointless created nonsense? Thanks for your time you guys are great. I know there is an infinite amount of things to learn. I'm just a mechanic I fix stuff. I look to you guys the brains of the operation when it comes to what I don't understand.

Mikeulon, my advice would be to be very sceptical of any claims involving "pure energy", "vibrations" or magnetism. These seem to be favourite ideas used by pseudoscientific people to bamboozle the unwary.

Science in general involves a "sceptical" cast of mind, because it insists that any scientific theory must be supported by reproducible, observational evidence. This is the way that, historically, science was able to distinguish itself from conjecture, myth and other received opinion that did not accord with testable reality.

So you will find that notions about the Bermuda Triangle, magnetic bracelets for rheumatism, "auras", and suchlike are dismissed by science: there is no reproducible evidence for any of these. They rely on anecdote at best and at worst on misrepresentation.

A bit of discrimination, quality control and application of common sense is always a good idea in life, in any case.

**Flick Montana** · February 25th, 2014, 07:35 AM

Rarely will you find credible science on television. Ratings are about entertainment and most people are not entertained by rational thinking. It's the, "Yeah, but what if..." stuff that draws in the viewers. Even shows that do present actual science will often finish by taking it to a 'what if' conclusion or by immersing you in so much special effect light and sound that you don't realize you're learning.

If you want real science, you'll need to start trawling published papers and, when it comes to physics, those usually require a couple of degrees just to understand.