Thread: Vortex-based mathematics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzfgq1zv8jg

I've been very interested in this for the past few weeks, and I am beginning to build my own Rodin coil to play with it for myself. I have not been on this site for a long time now due to the annoying problem of most people being completely rational-minded. (personal note on this at the bottom. don't read if you're easily offended and unable to let things go.)

I've returned to let you rational-minded critics pick this apart. If this is serious, it will be life-changing to most of us. I'm interested to see what kind of criticisms will be brought up.



personal note:
the problem with the rationalists here is that the rational mind does not make leaps of logic, which are required to imagine new theories before they can be seriously disputed. most of the people here shut down imaginative ideas immediately and refuse to be creative, casting a negative light over such concepts, in turn causing people to stop trying in the first place. that being said you are not all bad; I have had many "off the reservation" discussions with people that led to higher understandings of complex concepts. If you are thinking purely through logic and rationalism, you are only using half of your brain. remember that.

Originally Posted by schiz0yd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzfgq1zv8jg

I've been very interested in this for the past few weeks, and I am beginning to build my own Rodin coil to play with it for myself. I have not been on this site for a long time now due to the annoying problem of most people being completely rational-minded. (personal note on this at the bottom. don't read if you're easily offended and unable to let things go.)

I've returned to let you rational-minded critics pick this apart. If this is serious, it will be life-changing to most of us. I'm interested to see what kind of criticisms will be brought up.



personal note:
the problem with the rationalists here is that the rational mind does not make leaps of logic, which are required to imagine new theories before they can be seriously disputed. most of the people here shut down imaginative ideas immediately and refuse to be creative, casting a negative light over such concepts, in turn causing people to stop trying in the first place. that being said you are not all bad; I have had many "off the reservation" discussions with people that led to higher understandings of complex concepts. If you are thinking purely through logic and rationalism, you are only using half of your brain. remember that.

That video is a bunch of crap, meaningless buzz words juxtaposed.

It is not mathematics. Neither is it science.

This belongs in Pseudoscience.

and what do you say to the properties of rodin coils? that surely must be somehow related to math and science, since they actually exist and are based on this theory

edit: by the way, thank you for making a perfect example of what I am talking about in my personal note.

Originally Posted by schiz0yd

and what do you say to the properties of rodin coils? that surely must be somehow related to math and science, since they actually exist and are based on this theory

edit: by the way, thank you for making a perfect example of what I am talking about in my personal note.

Rodin himself cannot build Rodin coils. They have no special properties.

You are very gullible.

This stuff is crap.

It does not belong in the mathematics forum.

Cool video.

i figured it belonged in the mathematics forum considering it's titled 'vortex-based mathematics'. as for rodin himself not being able to build a rodin coil, i'd like to ask you what kind of coil is shown in his video? also, what are these, if not rodin coils?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsJ45P0iybE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1DecEDxcjc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqjOuk7K9U0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4Hj_bUDmw4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAVMnMzyfmI

At this point I am honestly confused by your responses, rocket. You seem to be saying that these things do not even exist. Thank you for being open-minded.

Edit: Also, if they have no special properties, why can't they be built? I would think that if something can't be built, it's because it involves some kind of property that makes it impossible or improbable.

There goes ten minutes of my life that I could have used for watching fuzzy net porn. That "stuff" is an unmitigated load of crap (read, poo, feces, waste, scat, dropping, spoor, fewments, lawn fudge, field pie, road apples, shaving cream, and yes even shit). Send it to psuedo, or preferably trash.

Really schiz0yd, there is plenty of wonderful weirdness contained within critically examined mathematics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_theory
Don't just read the title, click on some links, go on a cerebral walkabout.

It's good to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out. -Albert Einstein-

This concept uses some kind of number theory. I am not completely familiar with number theory, but the mathematics of this theory seem completely fine to me. It just seems like the same type of thing that vedic math is.

All I am hearing from naysayers so far is "this is crap" "this is rubbish". "pseudoscience". At least the video presents some data to back up what it is saying. You two have not done so.

In all fairness, the video is much less interesting than the long articles I have read about it. I just thought that the video would be an easier way to share the concept in a neat little package.

Things like this were far more interesting to me:

http://markorodin.com/1.5/intro-a-summary

I have trouble understanding how someone can look at that and simply say it is not related to math or science. that's just silliness. it might be wrong, but it is clearly related to math. be careful with your responses, lest you let your ignorance show.

Edit: the geometric pattern is related to ancient, 'sacred' geometry which things such as the jewish star are based on. do not let the religious context awaken a prejudice that blinds you from true reason. religion today is a far cry from what it started as, after egoic powers have touched it.

Originally Posted by schiz0yd

At this point I am honestly confused by your responses, rocket.

You are confused aboput a lot of things. Mathematics and electrodynamics are right there at the top of the list.

This stuff is pure crap.

Originally Posted by DrRocket

Originally Posted by schiz0yd

At this point I am honestly confused by your responses, rocket.

You are confused aboput a lot of things. Mathematics and electrodynamics are right there at the top of the list.

This stuff is pure crap.

you sound like a child. it is quite obvious you are more interested in the satisfaction of putting down others than you are in discussing the scientific information. you are simply a contrarian.

this response of yours reminds me of a politician avoiding a question, since you quoted a part of a serious question out of context and didn't even attempt to answer me.

Originally Posted by schiz0yd

Originally Posted by DrRocket

Originally Posted by schiz0yd

At this point I am honestly confused by your responses, rocket.

You are confused aboput a lot of things. Mathematics and electrodynamics are right there at the top of the list.

This stuff is pure crap.

you sound like a child. it is quite obvious you are more interested in the satisfaction of putting down others than you are in discussing the scientific information. you are simply a contrarian.

this response of yours reminds me of a politician avoiding a question, since you quoted a part of a serious question out of context and didn't even attempt to answer me.

He's saying yes, these things do not exist as advertised. What you see is not what you think it is, nor is it anything of any interest. Rodin Coils are non-existent as they are portrayed. Period. Do valid research, and close that "open-mind" of yours up a bit.

Originally Posted by Arcane_Mathematician

Originally Posted by schiz0yd

Originally Posted by DrRocket

Originally Posted by schiz0yd

At this point I am honestly confused by your responses, rocket.

You are confused aboput a lot of things. Mathematics and electrodynamics are right there at the top of the list.

This stuff is pure crap.

you sound like a child. it is quite obvious you are more interested in the satisfaction of putting down others than you are in discussing the scientific information. you are simply a contrarian.

this response of yours reminds me of a politician avoiding a question, since you quoted a part of a serious question out of context and didn't even attempt to answer me.

He's saying yes, these things do not exist as advertised. What you see is not what you think it is, nor is it anything of any interest. Rodin Coils are non-existent as they are portrayed. Period. Do valid research, and close that "open-mind" of yours up a bit.

i see no good reason to ever try and be more close-minded. I am not saying any of this is right. I am saying I think it's interesting and certain aspects of it seem plausible. the method of using that geometry in order to calculate certain mathematics should not be in question. his claims of being able to cure all diseases and all that crap seems pretty outlandish, i'll admit. i choose to be extremely open-minded from the start and later reflect on it.

so, if what I am seeing in these videos is nothing abnormal, how are these coils able to repel both poles of a magnet?

http://www.energyquest.ca.gov/projec...tromagnet.html
http://www.miniscience.com/projects/Solenoid/index.html

How is vortex math different from the Fibonacci sequence, which was vehemently criticized and dismissed as psuedoscience, meanwhile explains many of the geometric designs we see in nature?

It continuously amazes me how mainstream science and physics are so loathe of Marko Rodin. Just come forth and disprove him....just try. Vorticies are everywhere in science.....and what about that electron spin that quantum physics cannot explain?

String theory and M theory are attempts by some very, very smart people to unify relativity with quantum physics, however each new grand theory results in more quandires.

We all know how many times in history that "the establishment" has been wrong as they cling to their well-established theories that they have built their career on. You scientists and physicists that want to go down with the ship GOOD RIDDANCE!

The science of today is not what it should be and has taken 'hostage' of real scientific inquiry. The education of our children amounts to indoctrination in order to block real science that disagrees with their interests. The world will remain flat to those whose refuse to bend their vision.
I work with our own bio/electric field (Chi, Qi, Prana) and have been doing so for nearly 15 years now. I approach life with a healthy skepticism while trying to remain optimistic and approached this modality with same. What I experienced went against everything that I knew to be true! How could placing hands on specific areas on the body actually result in the alleviation if pain and inflammation!!??. The reason I add this is to show that there are practices out there that work but are beaten down by the mainstream!
I know this is a mathematics and science forum so please bare with me on this one. As I grow older I am actually gaining an new appreciation for arithmetic and geometry. I feel that it is becoming more accessible to the masses and that to have an understanding of our universe doesn't require us to have a PhD in physics or maths.
I like the Rodin coil stuff.
I am looking forward to experimenting with this new magnetic/electric stuff?
Nikola Tesla had a profound understanding of the world we live in. He was able to transport/receive electricity without cables !!!!
I don't believe this stuff is crap. I believe the energy needs of our planet could be provided by simple technology of an implosive nature. Ancient knowledge meets contemporary experimentation.
Why don't the nay sayers prove it doesnt work, after all, the burden of proof lies with the accuser!

Just another crackpot with no clue about the scientific method. :sigh:

Check his score:

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Originally Posted by being-one

I work with our own bio/electric field (Chi, Qi, Prana)

You say "Chi and Qi" as if you think they are two different things.

How could placing hands on specific areas on the body actually result in the alleviation if pain and inflammation!!??.

This has been studied scientifically and is quite well understood.

He was able to transport/receive electricity without cables !!!!

No he wasn't. (Well, maybe over very short distances, but we can do that much more efficiently now anyway.)

I believe the energy needs of our planet could be provided by simple technology of an implosive nature.

"An implosive nature"; what does that mean? Do enlighten us.

Why don't the nay sayers prove it doesnt work, after all, the burden of proof lies with the accuser!

Wrong.

I don't understand you!?
We have different life experiences!
Fact is weirder then fiction!
Have a nice journey dude.....

#1 Do you know much about chi? They are the same as you know!
#2 You say its quite well understood, explain please and we can exchange notes! My understanding does not come from the scientific method.
#3 "no he wasn't-yes he was" make up your mind! I know.....
#4 As far as the "Implosive nature" is concerned, its not my job to educate you! Walter Russel, Viktor Shauberger . Educate yourself my friend....

I also see you have 13,964 posts!!!! I'd say you live a full life alright or maybe your wheelchair bound, in which case I apologize!

Originally Posted by being-one

I don't understand you!?

Who don't you understand? What don't you understand? Feel free to ask for clarification..

Originally Posted by being-one

#2 You say its quite well understood, explain please and we can exchange notes! My understanding does not come from the scientific method.

Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

#3 "no he wasn't-yes he was" make up your mind!

He wanted to transfer power wirelessly over large distances. That was impractical (and still is). He did manage to transfer power over short distances. And we do that now with wireless chargers, etc.

I know.....

What do you know?

#4 As far as the "Implosive nature" is concerned, its not my job to educate you!

Well, if you don't want to explain what you are talking about, that is up to you. But it doesn't make for much of a discussion.

Walter Russel, Viktor Shauberger .

Not science then. Hardly surprising.

Originally Posted by Strange

Originally Posted by being-one

I don't understand you!?

Who don't you understand? What don't you understand? Feel free to ask for clarification..

That response was not for you! It was for PhDemon....

And as far as understanding our "bio/electric field" (which is a word I say to the lay person) please believe me when I say this, if you have attained your knowledge on chi from the established scientific method, you are ill-informed my friend. The feeling I get from you is that there is little you could teach me! KNOWLEDGE COMES FROM EXPERIENCE, WISDOM COMES FROM THE APPRECIATION OF THAT KNOWLEDGE.

Originally Posted by Strange

Originally Posted by being-one

#2 You say its quite well understood, explain please and we can exchange notes! My understanding does not come from the scientific method.

Placebo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


This is funny as science still doesn't understand the placebo effect! Fact!! Do you believe that we have a consciousness? And maybe it extends beyond our body!

#3 "no he wasn't-yes he was" make up your mind!

He wanted to transfer power wirelessly over large distances. That was impractical (and still is). He did manage to transfer power over short distances. And we do that now with wireless chargers, etc.
Blah blah......

I know.....

What do you know?
I know where you live I know exactly what Tesla has achieved. I'm also aware of the painful ordeal he went through with developing his experiments. Can you imagine extracting power from the very air(ether as Tesla liked to call it) around you!? Again, its not my job to educate you.

#4 As far as the "Implosive nature" is concerned, its not my job to educate you!

Well, if you don't want to explain what you are talking about, that is up to you. But it doesn't make for much of a discussion.
I would not be able to explain this to you as I'm still trying to grasp the significance of it. Think polarities. good/bad small/big hot/cold in/out explosive/implosive! Now go research!

Walter Russel, Viktor Shauberger .

Not science then. Hardly surprising.

Are you even aware of what the defination of science is, what science means and what science encompasses?



I see by the amount of posts you have you probably like to troll this site to rise disputes.. Get a life... you sound young btw, how old are you?

And I repeat:

Just another crackpot with no clue about the scientific method. :sigh:

Check his score:

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If you don't value the scientific method why troll a SCIENCE forum? Bugger off to a New Age Woo forum where your inane twittering might be listened to.

As for little to teach you, I'd agree, it's my experience that cranks seem to be impervious to learning (and logic, rationality and evidence based research).

Originally Posted by being-one

[And as far as understanding our "bio/electric field" (which is a word I say to the lay person) please believe me when I say this, if you have attained your knowledge on chi from the established scientific method, you are ill-informed my friend. The feeling I get from you is that there is little you could teach me! KNOWLEDGE COMES FROM EXPERIENCE, WISDOM COMES FROM THE APPRECIATION OF THAT KNOWLEDGE.

If you are not interested in science, why are you posting on a science forum?

Originally Posted by being-one

Blah blah......

What does that mean? It is not a very helpful comment.

Are you even aware of what the defination of science is, what science means and what science encompasses?

So what is your definition of science? Nothing you have said so far appears to come close.

Originally Posted by PhDemon

And I repeat:

Just another crackpot with no clue about the scientific method. :sigh:

Check his score:

Crackpot index

If you don't value the scientific method why troll a SCIENCE forum? Bugger off to a New Age Woo forum where your inane twittering might be listened to.

As for little to teach you, I'd agree, it's my experience that cranks seem to be impervious to learning (and logic, rationality and evidence based research).

Science is for us all remember!!! And not just for you lot with a PHD in front of your name for you to hide behind.
And I would also say that in my experience science buffs(you) seem to be impervious to anythings that doesn't remind them of the contents precious high school physics books. Open your mind you numbdum ....
Typical nerd science geek you probably are. I guess you probably have a higher understanding of our physical reality, I pray that someday I'll be bestowed with this innate knowledge you possess.

And now you are obviously trolling so I'll just put you on ignore with the other nutjobs.

Originally Posted by Strange

Originally Posted by being-one

Blah blah......

What does that mean? It is not a very helpful comment.

Are you even aware of what the defination of science is, what science means and what science encompasses?

So what is your definition of science? Nothing you have said so far appears to come close.

I was not trying to define something which has infinite potential within its boundaries.
I'm done with you two!


I'm gonna finish with a joke, and I want you to know that you can use this to get a laugh out of your geek friends. You have my permission .

What does the theory of reletivity and an erection have in common????

The more you think about it, the harder it gets!!!

Goodbye....

Originally Posted by being-one

Science is for us all remember!!!

I like to think so. That is why forums like this are so valuable: a place to discuss and learn.

And not just for you lot with a PHD in front of your name for you to hide behind.

You will be pleased to know that I don't have a PhD before (or after) my name.

I pray that someday I'll be bestowed with this innate knowledge you possess.

I don't think anyone has innate knowledge. We all have to learn.

Originally Posted by PhDemon

And now you are obviously trolling so I'll just put you on ignore with the other nutjobs.

Knob jockey

Originally Posted by Strange

Originally Posted by being-one

Science is for us all remember!!!

I like to think so. That is why forums like this are so valuable: a place to discuss and learn.

And not just for you lot with a PHD in front of your name for you to hide behind.

You will be pleased to know that I don't have a PhD before (or after) my name.

I pray that someday I'll be bestowed with this innate knowledge you possess.

I don't think anyone has innate knowledge. We all have to learn.

You are reading the wrong replies you twat!!!!!! They were for someone else :/ idiot

Originally Posted by Strange

If you are not interested in science, why are you posting on a science forum?

That is an interesting question that I have asked myself many times when I observe some members' input.
It is possible that some want to test how experienced they are in rejecting scientific findings, models, theories and/or logic,
whilst others are perhaps under the illusion they have discovered scientific, irrefutable proof for something and want to share their delusions.

Originally Posted by being-one

You are reading the wrong replies you twat!!!!!! They were for someone else :/ idiot

This is what is known as a "discussion forum"; the point is that anyone is free to chip in with their opinions, comments or even occasionally facts.

Originally Posted by being-one

Goodbye....

Well, that didn't last long.

Originally Posted by being-one

Typical nerd science geek you probably are. I guess you probably have a higher understanding of our physical reality, I pray that someday I'll be bestowed with this innate knowledge you possess.

Prayer doesn't work.
You should try education instead.

Originally Posted by RedPanda

Originally Posted by being-one

Typical nerd science geek you probably are. I guess you probably have a higher understanding of our physical reality, I pray that someday I'll be bestowed with this innate knowledge you possess.

Prayer doesn't work.
You should try education instead.

Education eh! Goodman yourself.