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    A self patent is when you um... You send your own design to yourself, thus you know, should anyone have the same idea when the issue come's to court the sealed envelope is hiven to the honorable, the date and work product, speak for themselves as far as whos idea it was first! With all do respect, that is comon practice I have been in the field for, well 25 year's


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    Just in case anyone is going to be misled by this dangerous advice, I will post what I said in the other thread:

    The process you describe is believed by some people to protect copyright. This is a myth: The Myth of Poor Man's Copyright - Plagiarism Today

    It provides absolutely zero patent protection. Also, as even the USA has now modernised to use first-to-file rather than first-to-invent, it will provide you no benefit to prove you invented it first if someone else has filed a patent.

    Also, note that most patent offices will instantly reject something that appears to be a perpetual motion machine without even examining it. You would just be throwing money away.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lucycorp33 View Post
    A self patent is when you um... You send your own design to yourself, thus you know, should anyone have the same idea when the issue come's to court the sealed envelope is hiven to the honorable, the date and work product, speak for themselves as far as whos idea it was first! With all do respect, that is comon practice I have been in the field for, well 25 year's
    As Strange said, this is total bollocks. In most of the world (including the US, now), it is "first to file," not "first to invent." If you send a letter to yourself, all you have done is...send a letter to yourself. You get no protection, you've secured no rights (other than, perhaps, bragging rights at best).

    I do wish that people who go to the trouble of holding forth, on an international forum, as an expert on some topic, would actually go to the trouble of verifying their information first.

    ETA: Although, if the subject of the patent is a perpetual motion/overunity machine (as in the OP title), then perhaps it would be best to keep those out of the patent system altogether by giving those "inventors" misleading advice. The patent office folks have enough work as it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucycorp33 View Post
    With all do respect, that is comon practice I have been in the field for, well 25 year's
    Perhaps a field is not the best place to practice law.
    You should try going indoors and reading a book or two.
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    I can't really imagine what field lucycorp33 is in.

    I am also curious about the user name. If "lucy" indicates a female member of the forum then this could be an almost unique case of a female crackpot. Someone could write a PhD on that. But I suspect that it has some other significance and we just have yet another crazy guy!
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    It's probably one where you have to watch your step:




    (Could find it with bullshit so "cow poop" had to do...)
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    I see many haters What i have works. A lucy is short for the fallen angel. Self patent is infact a time line for a judge. 75pages of design, so, if my working product has a time line.of say 2000 of january. And you came up with the same ldea today the dealed work product, working model speaks for itself. So you're burnt And i am in the patent office. What do you have
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucycorp33 View Post
    I see many haters What i have works.
    Not haters. Just science-minded folks who know that perpetual motion is a fantasy. See Noether's first theorem.

    A lucy is short for the fallen angel. Self patent is infact a time line for a judge. 75pages of design, so, if my working product has a time line.of say 2000 of january. And you came up with the same ldea today the dealed work product, working model speaks for itself. So you're burnt And i am in the patent office. What do you have
    Yes, a working model would speak for itself. You do not have a working model. Sorry, but that's as certain a truth as one can get in practice.

    Need funding for further development of your non-invention? Easy. Just submit your "working" model to the James Randi Educational Foundation for testing, and win the $1M prize. Easy peasy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucycorp33 View Post
    Self patent is infact a time line for a judge.
    No it isn't. It has no value. If you think otherwise, please provide a reference to a single case where this has been successfully used to establish priority.

    75pages of design, so, if my working product has a time line.of say 2000 of january. And you came up with the same ldea today the dealed work product, working model speaks for itself. So you're burnt And i am in the patent office. What do you have
    Again, if someone files before you then they will have priority. It doesn't matter if you can prove you came up with the idea first. What part of "first to file" do you not understand?

    This is academic anyway, as you obviously do not have anything patentable.

    If you did, you wouldn't be making empty boasts on a science forum, you would be raising millions of dollars of funding to set up the most profitable energy company on the planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucycorp33 View Post
    I see many haters What i have works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post

    If you did, you wouldn't be making empty boats on a science forum,
    Cue joke about there being no lack of seamen[sic] in this load of toss from another perpetual motion crank...
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    Giving bogus patent advice on a perpetual motion device? My brain can't process this information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Giving bogus patent advice on a perpetual motion device? My brain can't process this information.

    Maybe we should just add that the website for the appropriate patent office is at file:///dev/null/
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucycorp33 View Post
    And i am in the patent office.
    You are a burglar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucycorp33 View Post
    I see many haters What i have works. A lucy is short for the fallen angel. Self patent is infact a time line for a judge. 75pages of design, so, if my working product has a time line.of say 2000 of january. And you came up with the same ldea today the dealed work product, working model speaks for itself. So you're burnt And i am in the patent office. What do you have
    Uh, not to bring reality into this discussion, but . . .I am actually in the patent office, going by the old boring route of filing patents. Are you? If so what are the patent numbers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucycorp33 View Post
    What do you have
    Sanity, an education and a lack of delusions that perpetual motion is feasible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucycorp33 View Post
    A lucy is short for the fallen angel.
    Dangit, I was hoping we had our first confirmed woman crackpot. We are an equal opportunity forum, and we are well below our affirmative action goal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucycorp33 View Post
    A lucy is short for the fallen angel.
    FA would be short for "Fallen Angel" and Sweet FA by a remarkeable coincidence is how much of a clue you have.
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