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    ok, so heres my idea,

    lets say theres a cylander-shaped, holding cell.

    on the insides of the cylander are a network of rings connected to strings, on the opposite ends and within the cylander are super magnets, they are activated to shoot the rings connected to the strings forward

    the strings are connected to an inner center shell, once the magnets activate the rings to shoot forward making a fling effect, thus pulling the inner cell, the inner cell is moved with enough force to pull the entirety of the cylander,

    now with the cell somewhat forward after being flung, can u help me reposition the cylander in front of the innercell held by strings connected to the rings, to recreate the effect?

    ---edit ok instead of a hallowed cylander with rings, instead make it like a cylander still, but instead of rings connected to the strings and the weight, make it a series of amtrack like hammers that are connected to the strings, which are then connected to the weight

    ---edit again, with multiple cylanders and multiple weights

    --edit, if u could get the cylander to expand and reset its postion id call u a genius, especially if the weight doesnt move backwards but keeps its forward momentum,

    -edit the cylinder itself would have to be made of some light weight material, but still strong enough to hold the inner weight with cables, can't have the weight trying to fling something heavier than itself

    --edit , also this has to be done in 0 gravity environment, i doubt it would work on earth

    -edit , aswell, perhaps the pull of the magnetism could start slow, then towards the end of its projectory, increase the magnetism to ensure the fling


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    Quote Originally Posted by Onyxxyv View Post
    the strings are connected to an inner center shell, once the magnets activate the rings to shoot forward making a fling effect, thus pulling the inner cell, the inner cell is moved with enough force to pull the entirety of the cylander
    Which part of "IT WILL NOT WORK" did you not understand?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Onyxxyv View Post
    ok, so heres my idea,

    lets say theres a cylander-shaped, holding cell.

    on the insides of the cylander are a network of rings connected to strings, on the opposite ends and within the cylander are super magnets, they are activated to shoot the rings connected to the strings forward

    the strings are connected to an inner center shell, once the magnets activate the rings to shoot forward making a fling effect, thus pulling the inner cell, the inner cell is moved with enough force to pull the entirety of the cylander,

    now with the cell somewhat forward after being flung, can u help me reposition the cylander in front of the innercell held by strings connected to the rings, to recreate the effect?
    How old are you? This is like talking to a child.

    IT WON'T WORK. The magnets will not provide any form of propulsion.
    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexG View Post
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    ok, so heres my idea,

    lets say theres a cylander-shaped, holding cell.

    on the insides of the cylander are a network of rings connected to strings, on the opposite ends and within the cylander are super magnets, they are activated to shoot the rings connected to the strings forward

    the strings are connected to an inner center shell, once the magnets activate the rings to shoot forward making a fling effect, thus pulling the inner cell, the inner cell is moved with enough force to pull the entirety of the cylander,

    now with the cell somewhat forward after being flung, can u help me reposition the cylander in front of the innercell held by strings connected to the rings, to recreate the effect?
    How old are you? This is like talking to a child.

    IT WON'T WORK. The magnets will not provide any form of propulsion.
    my idea is basically to make the magnets shoot the inner cell held by strings with enough force to pull the entirety of it

    remember theres now a cylander around the whole thing, inside the cylander are rings connected to string, the strings are connected to an inner "weight" the magnets shoot the inner "weight" forward making a pull effect
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onyxxyv View Post
    my idea is basically to make the magnets shoot the inner cell held by strings with enough force to pull the entirety of it
    Oh god.
    Which part of "IT WILL NOT WORK" did you not understand?
    IT WON'T WORK. The magnets will not provide any form of propulsion.
    Trash please mods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onyxxyv View Post
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    ok, so heres my idea,

    lets say theres a cylander-shaped, holding cell.

    on the insides of the cylander are a network of rings connected to strings, on the opposite ends and within the cylander are super magnets, they are activated to shoot the rings connected to the strings forward

    the strings are connected to an inner center shell, once the magnets activate the rings to shoot forward making a fling effect, thus pulling the inner cell, the inner cell is moved with enough force to pull the entirety of the cylander,

    now with the cell somewhat forward after being flung, can u help me reposition the cylander in front of the innercell held by strings connected to the rings, to recreate the effect?
    How old are you? This is like talking to a child.

    IT WON'T WORK. The magnets will not provide any form of propulsion.
    my idea is basically to make the magnets shoot the inner cell held by strings with enough force to pull the entirety of it
    Your idea will not work. The magnets don't make anything move. They push on each other in opposite directions with the same force, and the 'inner cell' just sits there, not moving.

    Stop trolling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexG View Post
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    ok, so heres my idea,

    lets say theres a cylander-shaped, holding cell.

    on the insides of the cylander are a network of rings connected to strings, on the opposite ends and within the cylander are super magnets, they are activated to shoot the rings connected to the strings forward

    the strings are connected to an inner center shell, once the magnets activate the rings to shoot forward making a fling effect, thus pulling the inner cell, the inner cell is moved with enough force to pull the entirety of the cylander,

    now with the cell somewhat forward after being flung, can u help me reposition the cylander in front of the innercell held by strings connected to the rings, to recreate the effect?
    How old are you? This is like talking to a child.

    IT WON'T WORK. The magnets will not provide any form of propulsion.
    my idea is basically to make the magnets shoot the inner cell held by strings with enough force to pull the entirety of it
    Your idea will not work. The magnets don't make anything move. They push on each other in opposite directions with the same force, and the 'inner cell' just sits there, not moving.

    Stop trolling.
    im not trolling , ill try to explain it more, my idea now has an outer cylander that is hollowed out, inside the hollow ofthe cylander are rings that are connected to string all around the cylander itself, once the circular rings are shot forward they pull the inner "weight", the weight mmakes a movement

    what stops the weight from falling? the pull of the strings, especially if they are connected to rings that are held in place by the hollow of the outer cylander
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onyxxyv View Post
    the weight mmakes a movement
    It does not.
    It will not.
    It can not.

    This is contrary to basic physics.
    Get it through your head.

    Despite your claim that you're not trolling you have been informed, numerous times, in THIS thread AND the previous one that there will be no nett movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onyxxyv View Post
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    ok, so heres my idea,

    lets say theres a cylander-shaped, holding cell.

    on the insides of the cylander are a network of rings connected to strings, on the opposite ends and within the cylander are super magnets, they are activated to shoot the rings connected to the strings forward

    the strings are connected to an inner center shell, once the magnets activate the rings to shoot forward making a fling effect, thus pulling the inner cell, the inner cell is moved with enough force to pull the entirety of the cylander,

    now with the cell somewhat forward after being flung, can u help me reposition the cylander in front of the innercell held by strings connected to the rings, to recreate the effect?
    How old are you? This is like talking to a child.

    IT WON'T WORK. The magnets will not provide any form of propulsion.
    my idea is basically to make the magnets shoot the inner cell held by strings with enough force to pull the entirety of it
    Your idea will not work. The magnets don't make anything move. They push on each other in opposite directions with the same force, and the 'inner cell' just sits there, not moving.

    Stop trolling.
    im not trolling , ill try to explain it more, my idea now has an outer cylander that is hollowed out, inside the hollow ofthe cylander are rings that are connected to string all around the cylander itself, once the circular rings are shot forward they pull the inner "weight", the weight mmakes a movement

    what stops the weight from falling? the pull of the strings, especially if they are connected to rings that are held in place by the hollow of the outer cylander
    This is totally ridiculous. Grab your shoe laces and try to pull yourself up. It's the same thing whether your pulling on your laces or the magnets are pulling on you strings.

    It won't work, so stop this now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    the weight mmakes a movement
    It does not.
    It will not.
    It can not.

    This is contrary to basic physics.
    Get it through your head.

    Despite your claim that you're not trolling you have been informed, numerous times, in THIS thread AND the previous one that there will be no nett movement.
    it would if the cylander the rings and the cord was, not as heavy as the weight itself
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onyxxyv View Post
    it would if the cylander the rings and the cord was, not as heavy as the weight itself
    Then please present either:
    calculations showing this is so, or
    an actual occurrence of this effect.

    You won't be able to do either because it is not physically possible.
    Go back to school.
    Sign up for remedial physics.
    Get an education.
    Stop trolling.
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    ok, so heres my idea,

    lets say theres a cylander-shaped, holding cell.

    on the insides of the cylander are a network of rings connected to strings, on the opposite ends and within the cylander are super magnets, they are activated to shoot the rings connected to the strings forward

    the strings are connected to an inner center shell, once the magnets activate the rings to shoot forward making a fling effect, thus pulling the inner cell, the inner cell is moved with enough force to pull the entirety of the cylander,

    now with the cell somewhat forward after being flung, can u help me reposition the cylander in front of the innercell held by strings connected to the rings, to recreate the effect?
    How old are you? This is like talking to a child.

    IT WON'T WORK. The magnets will not provide any form of propulsion.
    my idea is basically to make the magnets shoot the inner cell held by strings with enough force to pull the entirety of it
    Your idea will not work. The magnets don't make anything move. They push on each other in opposite directions with the same force, and the 'inner cell' just sits there, not moving.

    Stop trolling.
    im not trolling , ill try to explain it more, my idea now has an outer cylander that is hollowed out, inside the hollow ofthe cylander are rings that are connected to string all around the cylander itself, once the circular rings are shot forward they pull the inner "weight", the weight mmakes a movement

    what stops the weight from falling? the pull of the strings, especially if they are connected to rings that are held in place by the hollow of the outer cylander
    This is totally ridiculous. Grab your shoe laces and try to pull yourself up. It's the same thing whether your pulling on your laces or the magnets are pulling on you strings.

    It won't work, so stop this now.
    grabbing my shoe laces is a terrible comparison, first of all this would only work in a no gravity environment, on earth it would be impossible for the movement

    but in a no gravity environment i believe the pull of the weight by magnet would be enough to drag the entirety of the object

    the new scenario is in a hollowed out cylander, imagine this, now imagine that in the hollow are rings, connected to string which are connected to an centered weight the weight itself is connected to strrings all around the magnet is activated, the weight is shot forward making a fling effect
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    this is just trolling, and has been reported.
    Its the way nature is!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onyxxyv View Post
    i believe the pull of the weight by magnet would be enough to drag the entirety of the object
    Do you know why you believe this?
    It's because you are unbelievably ignorant.
    Go away.
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    Moderator Comment: Onnyxxyv, your interest in science is admirable. Your wish to invent an interesting and useful device does you a lot of credit. I would like to see you take that interest and build on it. To do so you will need to get properly educated in some of the fundamentals of science. Your posts, so far, show that you lack almost any understanding of some of the principles that have been known for centuries.

    Your proposal will not work. Your belief that it can work simply demonstrates that you do not understand basic physics. That is not a problem. you can learn basic physics. The problem is that you contiue to believe you are right when you are being told by knowledgeable individuals that you are wrong. I suggest you abandon your ignorant idea and work on removing your ignorance. I am sure Alex and the duck would both be pleased to direct you to elementary material online that would help you.

    In the meantime I am moving the thread to pseudoscience. If you persist in promoting the idea it will rapidly end in the Trash Can.

    The alternative is to remain with fooolish beliefs for the rest of your life. I hope you make a sensible choice.
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    Onyxxyv, let me try to explain. In the days of sail powered shipping, when you had no wind but needed to move your ship you could put your anchor in a small boat, row the boat out ahead of your ship, drop the anchor, then crank in the anchor rope pulling the ship to a new position. This sounds like what you are trying to do with your magnets in place of the anchor. It works for a sailing ship because the anchor sinks into the bottom of the harbour and can't move. In space there is no muddy bottom to hold the anchor. Everything is "floating".
    I'm not really clear about your design. Not sure why you are involving magnets at all. Are you planning to use the repulsion of like poled magnets in the place of the small boat rowed out ahead of the larger one? If so the force that pushes the magnets forward also pushes the space ship backward. If you then pull on the "strings" all you do is pull your magnetic "anchors" back to your ship. The sequence would be: turn on electro magnets flinging them away from the ship, turn off the electromagnets, pull onthe strings, the magnets come back to the ship. The ship does not move. If that is not clear you will have to make some models. Use toy boats in a bath tub to minic the free floating environment of space.
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    Okay, first of all, he may lack all understanding of science, but that is not a problem, we're here to help this person learn, so why don't we instead of hating give him reference material, and such. Not put him down, it's quite obvious this will not work but tell him why rather then saying it will not work, similiar to what Sealeaf idd
    "The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error; but who does strive to do deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
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    Try reading the other thread he had on this same subject...
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    How can he explain something that he has not built? If he has built it then as yet he has not shown it. So the theory he came up with is not at all recognized as something science has ever seen so his work is not of value if no one can actually access its mathematical foundation which he has not shown.
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    read about mag-lev trains
    whenever some science and engeneering has already been done
    always consult that first

    recognize the giants, then stand on their shoulders
    and please spell "cylinder" thusly cylinder
    poor spelling is best avoided

    (trust me on this, it is one of my weaknesses)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onyxxyv View Post
    ...the new scenario is in a hollowed out cylander, imagine this, now imagine that in the hollow are rings, connected to string which are connected to an centered weight the weight itself is connected to strrings all around the magnet is activated, the weight is shot forward making a fling effect
    Noether's first theorem tells us that perpetual motion is impossible. It's not a matter of not having tried hard enough, nor of not being clever enough. It's a fundamental consequence of the time-invariance of physical laws (at least locally). There are no known violations of time-reversal symmetry in our physical laws, so Noether's theorem holds. That means that all of the consequences that follow therefrom hold as well.

    You can play with magnets and cylinders (that's how it's spelled, btw) all you want, but you won't ever make your perpetual motion scheme work.

    Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post
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    ...the new scenario is in a hollowed out cylander, imagine this, now imagine that in the hollow are rings, connected to string which are connected to an centered weight the weight itself is connected to strrings all around the magnet is activated, the weight is shot forward making a fling effect
    Noether's first theorem tells us that perpetual motion is impossible. It's not a matter of not having tried hard enough, nor of not being clever enough. It's a fundamental consequence of the time-invariance of physical laws (at least locally). There are no known violations of time-reversal symmetry in our physical laws, so Noether's theorem holds. That means that all of the consequences that follow therefrom hold as well.

    You can play with magnets and cylinders (that's how it's spelled, btw) all you want, but you won't ever make your perpetual motion scheme work.

    Sorry.
    well i was just wondering if someone out there with supermagnets handy and some free time could MAKE this work regardless of whether science says it is "impossible"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onyxxyv View Post
    well i was just wondering if someone out there with supermagnets handy and some free time could MAKE this work regardless of whether science says it is "impossible"
    NO ONE can make it work.
    You do know what "impossible" means, don't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onyxxyv View Post
    well i was just wondering if someone out there with supermagnets handy and some free time could MAKE this work regardless of whether science says it is "impossible"
    Are you actually reading anything the other members are posting? What you have proposed is impossible according to the way the universe works as we presently understand it.

    Now you may protest that 'we don't know everything' and that 'science has been wrong before'. However, to make your idea work we should also require other events to occur, such as the Earth sometime morphing into a flat disc, pink umbrellas launching themselves spontaneously into geocentric orbits and my son and I developing a liking for brussel sprouts. Some things really are so close to impossible that it is nipicking in the xtreme not to call them impossible.

    It won't work. Is there some bizarre reason you will not accept this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onyxxyv View Post
    well i was just wondering if someone out there with supermagnets handy and some free time could MAKE this work regardless of whether science says it is "impossible"
    It has nothing whatsoever to do with the strength of the magnets or the mass of the container. It has everything to do with the conservation of energy. You're trying to get more out of something that you're putting in.
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