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    Is there a more evolved mode of thinking for the human mind than the hive mind? Will that be the peak of our social/ mental capacities?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamraider View Post
    Is there a more evolved mode of thinking for the human mind than the hive mind? Will that be the peak of our social/ mental capacities?
    Huh?
    What makes you think that
    A) "hive minds" are "more evolved"?
    B) humans can "use a "hive mind"?


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    Of course it's more evolved for three main reasons;1. The hive mind is very adaptable to its environment because the many minds can gain individual information about a threat process the threat then forward the knowledge onward to the group "mind" in order for it to process the information further and come up with the proper reaction. Just think of all the shared experiences.2. Such a system is pliable. The death of one sub unit can not endanger the whole. One failure by one sub unit can be instantaniously made up for by the rest. 3. Hive minds are ad infinitum. positive feedback can lead to increasing order. By incrementally adding new structure beyond the original, a hive can build its own temporary frame in order to build further structure. Spontaneous order helps create more order, Satisfying syntropy.Hive minds can keep making more and more sub units, spreading them out making it nearly impossible to destroy the organism at large.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamraider View Post
    Is there a more evolved mode of thinking for the human mind than the hive mind? Will that be the peak of our social/ mental capacities?
    Huh?What makes you think thatA) "hive minds" are "more evolved"?B) humans can "use a "hive mind"?
    B is fairly easy to solve with a yes.
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    Have you heard of the Internet? Have you heard of web bots? I'm guessing you know about the earths magnetic field , but did you know people can interact with it as shared conduit for information?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamraider View Post
    Of course it's more evolved for three main reasons
    Your "reasons" don't support your contention.

    Spontaneous order helps create more order
    Or not.

    Have you heard of the Internet? Have you heard of web bots?
    How is either of those a "hive mind"?

    I'm guessing you know about the earths magnetic field , but did you know people can interact with it as shared conduit for information?
    Huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamraider View Post
    I'm guessing you know about the earths magnetic field , but did you know people can interact with it as shared conduit for information?
    "Huh?" indeed.
    I predict pseudoscience is forthcoming.
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    Put on your Hasmat suits and get your Lysol, this one's gonna be messy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamraider View Post
    I'm guessing you know about the earths magnetic field , but did you know people can interact with it as shared conduit for information?
    "Huh?" indeed.
    I predict pseudoscience is forthcoming.
    You must have interacted with the earth's magnetic field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    You must have interacted with the earth's magnetic field.
    I always do.
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    Dywyddyr, Neverfly, Shlunka, Harold14370, Resistance is Futile, you will be absorbed, you will be assimilated into the Hive Mind, we will add your individual distinctiveness to our own, you will be one with the body. Comply with the Hive Mind there is no escape. Peace and fulfillment will be achieved. Brothers, why are you not wearing the robes? You have misplaced your implants? Look over where? (boing) Ouch! Hey they are not of the body! Get them!

    I agree the Hive Mind is the next step, but it may be already in he works and not be as sci-fi "hive mind"-ish but from another perspective, and gradually evolving out of better understanding of symbiotic relationships and social awarness and thru networks of communications. From one perspective, the neurons are cells, like bacterias, that are not aware they form a meta-mind, by a similar token, we as individual could potentially not realize we are forming a sort of collective mind. And the neurons could even joke around at the neuron saying they could form a greater mind, one that could not be perceived by their individual perception, and the neurons laugh at this strange idea, ~what? together? We form a mind? haha! nonsense! You need to put your tiny tin-foil cellular membrane on which ever part of the neuron is up.~ Meanwhile the libertarian bacteria is saying to the neurons 'you are socialists'!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamraider View Post
    Will that be the peak of our social/ mental capacities?
    Maybe. But is it worth the loss of individuality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamraider View Post
    Will that be the peak of our social/ mental capacities?
    Maybe. But is it worth the loss of individuality?
    think of all that you may gain. Honestly, that's a selfishness unique to the current state of humanity. Think of the progress we can make with all our heads together. When a children are connected to Hawkins, kaku, bill NYe what will be the point of school. What a waste of 17 years. Those minds could be added to the general populous earlier essentially squaring technological progress.
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    Clarify the Magnetic Field interaction...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Clarify the Magnetic Field interaction...
    glad to. recent studies have shown that neurons in the brain can transmit charges (info)through electro magnetic fields. One study by Persinger, neurosurgeon, put two people in a room devoid of the effects of the earth's magnetic field through shielding. Persinger then shrouded the room with darkness and put a wall between the two people. Persinger's colleagues thus placed electrode caps on the two people. In summary, they left the room, set up their own electro magnetic field, and gave the person A (behind a wall and in the dark) stimuli (flash of light.) ordinarily person B should not be aware of the stimuli physiologically or otherwise. But person B experienced heightened activity in his occipital lobe at the same time the stimuli was introduced. What ? That shouldn't be possible, unless... They were transmitting and sharing information through the electromag feild!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamraider View Post
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    Clarify the Magnetic Field interaction...
    glad to. recent studies have shown that neurons in the brain can transmit charges (info)through electro magnetic fields. One study by Persinger, neurosurgeon, put two people in a room devoid of the effects of the earth's magnetic field through shielding. Persinger then shrouded the room with darkness and put a wall between the two people. Persinger's colleagues thus placed electrode caps on the two people. In summary, they left the room, set up their own electro magnetic field, and gave the person A (behind a wall and in the dark) stimuli (flash of light.) ordinarily person B should not be aware of the stimuli physiologically or otherwise. But person B experienced heightened activity in his occipital lobe at the same time the stimuli was introduced. What ? That shouldn't be possible, unless... They were transmitting and sharing information through the electromag feild!
    Reference please. Preferably a peer-reviewed paper in a reputable journal. Or any detail about how, where and when this experiment was performed.

    OK. I assume this: Correlated cerebral events between physically and sensory isolated pairs of subjects exposed to yoked circumcerebral magnetic fields
    Another link (to a slightly less messed-up website): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20887774
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    What this Persinger?

    Magnetic stimulation studies[edit]

    Main article: God helmet

    During the 1980s Michael Persinger stimulated the temporal lobes of human subjects with a weak magnetic field using an apparatus that popularly became known as the "God helmet"[12] and reported that many of his subjects claimed to experience a "sensed presence" during stimulation.[13] This work has been criticised[2] and has, to date, not been replicated by other researchers.[14][15]

    Granqvist et al. claimed that Persinger's work was not "double-blind." Participants were often graduate students who knew what sort of results to expect, and there was the risk that the experimenters' expectations would be transmitted to subjects by unconscious cues. The participants were frequently given an idea of the purpose of the study by being asked to fill in questionnaires designed to test their suggestibility to paranormal experiences before the trials were conducted. Granqvist et al. failed to replicate Persinger's experiments double-blinded, and concluded that the presence or absence of the magnetic field had no relationship with any religious or spiritual experience reported by the participants, but was predicted entirely by their suggestibility and personality traits. Following the publication of this study, Persinger et al. dispute this.[16][17] One published attempt to create a "haunted room" using environmental "complex" electromagnetic fields based on Persinger's theoretical and experimental work did not produce the sensation of a "sensed presence" and found that reports of unusual experiences were uncorrelated with the presence or absence of these fields. As in the study by Granqvist et al., reports of unusual experiences were instead predicted by the personality characteristics and suggestibility of participants.[18] Experimental attempts to replicate effects claimed to occur with use of commercial versions of the God helmet have found no difference whether the device was on or off.[19][20]
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    "And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh" Nietzsche.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamraider View Post
    That shouldn't be possible, unless... They were transmitting and sharing information through the electromag feild!
    Hmm, they were sharing information via the electromagnetic field that existed in a room that was "devoid of the effects of the earth's magnetic field through shielding"?
    How does that work?

    Of course, one should also keep in mind that Persinger is something of a crank...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    That shouldn't be possible, unless... They were transmitting and sharing information through the electromag feild!
    Hmm, they were sharing information via the electromagnetic field that existed in a room that was "devoid of the effects of the earth's magnetic field through shielding"?How does that work?Of course, one should also keep in mind that Persinger is something of a crank...
    I am willing to concede to the crank comment, but would you consider da Vinci, van Braun, newton, archemedes,(I'm not putting Einstein cause of all the heat I'd get), and Galileo normal?
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    I find the electromagnetic sharing of information quite, hum, surprising. First its of limited use if you need to be shielded, but even then, as far as I know, the information is derived from the structure of the data, so even if brain activity in one person emits EM how does the other brain know/decipher what structure these came from?

    Isnt it like throwing a plane made of several dozen lego blocks out of a window so that all blocks go flying in all direction when it crashes on the sidewalk, and having another kid pickup the pieces without a reference as to what was built with the blocks initially?


    However if the brain can detect that something is emitted from another brain, like at least you know something in lego was thrown out, (on/off light) I guess its still interesting to know and helps learn about aspects (if true) that are worth researching some more.


    Unless I am mistaken I have seen a video where an experiment with strong magnetic fields on the head of people could alter their coordination/movements/attentiveness (interfered with normal neural activity)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamraider View Post
    occipital lobe at the same time the stimuli was introduced. What ? That shouldn't be possible, unless... They were transmitting and sharing information through the electromag feild!
    How do you know the other person didn't just visualise what he was having for dinner that night? Or think of something coincidentally - as posted above - its never been replicated and his methods are sloppy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamraider View Post
    I am willing to concede to the crank comment, but would you consider da Vinci, van Braun, newton, archemedes,(I'm not putting Einstein cause of all the heat I'd get), and Galileo normal?
    What do those people have to do with the point?
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    It wasn't the god helmet "study" though, it was another. Trying to find link...
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    Those people have absolutely nothing to do with the point, I just catch someone with that ploy. I've seen it work wonders in a Columbia lecture hall.
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    In other words you're avoiding the points raised and deflecting.
    Well done.
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