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    What does this rubbish have to do with Pseudoscience?
    In fact, what does it have to do with anything?
    Give us a précis and make an actual point.


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    Haven't read it, yet. I have this thing about opening other peoples attachments...

    Maybe you can make a quick summary as an O.P. that others can discuss?
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    Summary?
    Blah blah blah, lesbians, blah blah, unscientific waffle, blah, lesbians, blah.

    And, apparently, his mother lied about who his father is.
    I checked: "Satan" is not named on the birth certificate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Summary?
    Blah blah blah, lesbians, blah blah, unscientific waffle, blah, lesbians, blah.

    And, apparently, his mother lied about who his father is.
    I checked: "Satan" is not named on the birth certificate.
    Hell, I opened it and haven't stopped laughing, yet. I'm not trying to be mean. I'm really not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Granted I only read the first page but even for fiction it's badly written drivel.
    well it was intended to be humorous. so thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    What does this rubbish have to do with Pseudoscience?
    In fact, what does it have to do with anything?
    Give us a précis and make an actual point.
    the whole point of this story is very obvious. if you'd actually read it you'd know that the point was to reinforce instinct and tell my life story. also to create a cluster and thereby a pattern. and if I were trying to prove I was insane I wouldn't have written about the fact that insanity doesn't truly exist.
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    another clear and obvious point to anyone who actually finished reading this story is this. All this science you're talking about is utterly pointless. The earth is being eaten by the core. the water is continuing to rise even if we stop global warming and you're never going to figure out the secrets of the universe by staring really closely at the dirt. But have fun anyway I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by est.82 View Post
    well it was intended to be humorous. so thanks
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    the whole point of this story is very obvious. if you'd actually read it you'd know that the point was to reinforce instinct and tell my life story. also to create a cluster and thereby a pattern. and if I were trying to prove I was insane I wouldn't have written about the fact that insanity doesn't truly exist.
    I have not read it all the way through. I won't lie about it... I'm having difficulty doing so. But in your defense, it is possible that the "Play Setting" is part of the difficulty... although it's possible that the Man in the bar calling a closeted lesbian a "Dyke" without any angry reaction from her and that she suggested, "Can we go somewhere private?" instead may have something to do with it...
    Quote Originally Posted by est.82 View Post
    another clear and obvious point to anyone who actually finished reading this story is this. All this science you're talking about is utterly pointless. The earth is being eaten by the core. the water is continuing to rise even if we stop global warming and you're never going to figure out the secrets of the universe by staring really closely at the dirt. But have fun anyway I guess.
    Provide evidence for these assertions using pointless (Or pointful) science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by est.82 View Post
    and if I were trying to prove I was insane I wouldn't have written about the fact that insanity doesn't truly exist.
    You are trying (and actually failing) to defend yourself against someone's signature.
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    Oh cool my name is Casey and I'm obsessed with neuroscience.
    est, we wouldn't even know about global warming without science, and we won't solve it without more science (or reverting to a life expectancy of 30.)

    PhDemon shut up. Are you 12?
    "It is the ability to make predictions about the future that is the crux of intelligence."
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    For example, you can predict that 3+5=8. You can predict what sequence of muscle commands you should generate during a conversation, or whether an object is a desk or a chair. The brain is very complicated, but that is essentially how intelligence works. Instinct, emotions, and behavior are somewhat seperate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    (I know how to check peoples profiles for age etc).
    So... I went and looked. All this time, I was under the impression you're a grumpy old man.


    Ooops.
    Course, it could be this over here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by est.82 View Post
    the whole point of this story is very obvious.
    Nope.

    if you'd actually read it you'd know that the point was to reinforce instinct
    Er, nope.

    and tell my life story
    But it wasn't your "life story" - it was a nonsensical fanstasy.

    also to create a cluster and thereby a pattern
    Uh, what's a "cluster"?
    And if you want a pattern I suggest you use some of the pretty crayons the nurse will let you have if you ask.

    and if I were trying to prove I was insane I wouldn't have written about the fact that insanity doesn't truly exist.
    Fact? Or supposition on your part?

    Quote Originally Posted by est.82 View Post
    another clear and obvious point to anyone who actually finished reading this story is this. All this science you're talking about is utterly pointless. The earth is being eaten by the core. the water is continuing to rise even if we stop global warming and you're never going to figure out the secrets of the universe by staring really closely at the dirt. But have fun anyway I guess.
    Yeah, that's the problem you see, while you may claim that's the point of your batshit fantasy life story, what is the point of you posting it, sans explanation or justification, on a science site?

    "I'm a crank and here's evidence" as an OP may, despite being entertaining divertingly risible isn't going to generate much support for your POV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Summary?
    Blah blah blah, lesbians, blah blah, unscientific waffle, blah, lesbians, blah.

    And, apparently, his mother lied about who his father is.
    I checked: "Satan" is not named on the birth certificate.
    Lesbians, waffles, mothers lying to their children about who their fathers were. So, it's a story about a lesbian couple, eating at a waffle house, in Harlem?
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    Summary?
    Blah blah blah, lesbians, blah blah, unscientific waffle, blah, lesbians, blah.

    And, apparently, his mother lied about who his father is.
    I checked: "Satan" is not named on the birth certificate.
    Lesbians, waffles, mothers lying to their children about who their fathers were. So, it's a story about a lesbian couple, eating at a waffle house, in Harlem?
    I hope it wasn't a blue waffle...
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
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    in Harlem?
    I hope it wasn't a blue waffle...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
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    I hope it wasn't a blue waffle...
    I'd never heard this before, I've just looked it up. I wish I hadn't, if there was a barfing smiley it would go here...
    I did notice a sudden slowing of activity on the forum from members reading that this thread after I posted that. Was laughing to Neverfly that everyone must be looking it up and running to the bathroom to throw up.
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    Blue Waffles is a myth, and socially anachronistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil View Post
    Blue Waffles is a myth, and socially anachronistic.
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    Well that's good to know, but the idea of eating a blue waffle is still as disturbing as kissing a chupacabra...
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    as disturbing as kissing a chupacabra...
    Don't knock it 'til you've tried it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil View Post
    Blue Waffles is a myth, and socially anachronistic.
    The Blue Waffles Myth | Women
    Well that's good to know, but the idea of eating a blue waffle is still as disturbing as kissing a chupacabra...
    Do you suppose that there is some kind of animal that no one has ever tried to kiss? Or that there is no animal species whatsoever that a human hasn't tried to kiss a member of at least once?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
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    Blue Waffles is a myth, and socially anachronistic.
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    Well that's good to know, but the idea of eating a blue waffle is still as disturbing as kissing a chupacabra...
    Do you suppose that there is some kind of animal that no one has ever tried to kiss? Or that there is no animal species whatsoever that a human hasn't tried to kiss a member of at least once?
    I am assuming you are restricting the terms of the question to animals proven to currently exist and are humanly accessible. And with that assumption, sadly, i doubt there is any such animal that absolutely no human being has ever tried to kiss or otherwise sexually violate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil View Post
    Do you suppose that there is some kind of animal that no one has ever tried to kiss? Or that there is no animal species whatsoever that a human hasn't tried to kiss a member of at least once?
    I suggest that Tyrannosaurus Rex would be a prime candidate.
    Because T Rex's are really fugly and are decidedly unpleasant company.

    I also suggest Piers Morgan - for similar reasons.
    {edit} Oh - NF beat me to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Rattlesnake.
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    Ok.. What about extremophiles? I can think of at least two strains...
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    Shagged one last night.
    She was hot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy
    I am assuming you are restricting the terms of the question to animals proven to currently exist and are humanly accessible. And with that assumption, sadly, i doubt there is any such animal that absolutely no human being has ever tried to kiss or otherwise sexually violate.
    Those are good assumptions. If there were a zombie apocalypse, how many people do you suppose would earn their Darwin award while trying to perform intercourse with a zombie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy
    I am assuming you are restricting the terms of the question to animals proven to currently exist and are humanly accessible. And with that assumption, sadly, i doubt there is any such animal that absolutely no human being has ever tried to kiss or otherwise sexually violate.
    Those are good assumptions. If there were a zombie apocalypse, how many people do you suppose would earn their Darwin award while trying to perform intercourse with a zombie?
    Well, surely there have been estimates or actually statistics collected on the number of necrophiliacs we have in our population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy
    Well, surely there have been estimates or actually statistics collected on the number of necrophiliacs we have in our population.
    Yes, but an actual zombie apocalypse would confound any current models.
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    Rosman and Resnick[1] (1989) theorized that either of the following situations could be antecedents to necrophilia (pp. 161):
    1. The necrophile develops poor self-esteem, perhaps due in part to a significant loss;(a) He/she is very fearful of rejection by women/men and he/she desires a sexual partner who is incapable of rejecting him/her; and/or(b) He/she is fearful of the dead, and transforms his/her fear — by means of reaction formation — into a desire.
    2. He/she develops an exciting fantasy of sex with a corpse, sometimes after exposure to a corpse.
    The authors also reported that, of their sample of 'necrophiliacs,':
    • 68% were motivated by a desire for an unresisting and unrejecting partner;
    • 21% by a want for reunion with a lost partner;
    • 15% by sexual attraction to dead people;
    • 15% by a desire for comfort or to overcome feelings of isolation; and
    • 11% by a desire to remedy low self-esteem by expressing power over a corpse (pp. 159).
    At the end of their own report, Rosman and Resnick wrote that their study should only be used like a spring-board for further, more in depth, research.
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    Yeah. you're all right. None of it's real. The earth isn't becoming a ball of water. there's no moisture on the surface of mars, and pluto is not shrinking. Murcury is not made of metal and nasa is not dumping metal into space. I can't use "science" to prove any of it so it must not be true. Global warming is our friend and we still have no idea what the point of the human race is. There maybe now the agents will stop chasing me. Oh look a butterfly....
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    Don't worry dude, maybe we will turn into aquatic apes. All we gotta do is learn how to mate with dolphins.
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    I predict that Dec 25 2015, people around the world will be up to their ears in new revolving debt as they continue to attempt to purchase one another's affection while simultaneously trying to prove to one another that based on how much money they spend that they are better than those they buy gifts for. And some will think about some baby born to a knocked up virgin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by est.82 View Post
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    I predict that Dec 25 2015, people around the world will be up to their ears in new revolving debt as they continue to attempt to purchase one another's affection while simultaneously trying to prove to one another that based on how much money they spend that they are better than those they buy gifts for. And some will think about some baby born to a knocked up virgin.
    You'll fight and you'll claw and no matter what you do the earth will end in a frozen ball of ice with human arms and legs sticking out of it. And those with the hope that the earth will not end will die in the most agony as the rest simply accept their fate and are granted access to paradise. Dec 15 2015 the north star will explode and as the debris draws closer and closer to our planet weather patterns will become less and less predictable. I've tried to express this on multiple occasions and even when I've completely convinced some of you, you didn't want to hear it because you've already decided that heaven and hell don't exist even though you've toured both places in your dreams. The regret you've stacked will not simply stop bothering you and even when the dreams stop your subconscious minds have simply given up on warning you. You can laugh and you can joke but I am the son of Satan and you'll only be guaranteeing your entrance to hell. You can pick apart my story, you can try to hide behind the misquotation of the bible but it will not save you. When the water level rises the ones who remain will wade through the water to try to get to higher ground. The insects which have instinctually clung to the sides of the remaining sky scrapers will swarm and spread disease. A lack of crops and farm animals will cause starvation and whatever land remains will be fought over. These are the four horsemen of the apocalypse. War, Famine, Pestilence, and death. I'm sure this is all hilarious to you and you'll have a good time making fun of it but then I will have a good time toying with your soul for eternity. It's all real and nothing that any scientist has discovered has disproven it. You hold tight to science as your excuse to sin without regret but that regret stacks despite your best efforts. You've been arrogantly playing god and the majority of you will burn for it. THE MAJORITY. I'm not a religious person. Religion is an excuse to pretend to be good while evil seeps from your pours like a cold black oil. I'm not satanic either, there is nothing cool or positive what so ever about hell. You can make fun all you want if there's one thing I've always loved about man kind it's your ability to humiliate each other. It reminds me of home.
    Ok, I'll play. So if this is all gonna happen in 3.5 years, what do you think we can do in such a short amount of time to prevent it? And where do you plan to be in 3.5 years. And home? Where might that be?

    And make up your mind are we going to freeze or burn? You aren't religious but you believe in god and that you will get paradise. do you know what "religious" means?

    I'm starting to think this thread doesn't even belong in pseudoscience. Seems it needs to be in the trash.

    Btw, stop preaching it's against the rules.


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    Quote Originally Posted by est.82 View Post
    You'll fight and you'll claw and no matter what you do the earth will end in a frozen ball of ice with human arms and legs sticking out of it. And those with the hope that the earth will not end will die in the most agony as the rest simply accept their fate and are granted access to paradise. Dec 15 2015 the north star will explode and as the debris draws closer and closer to our planet weather patterns will become less and less predictable. I've tried to express this on multiple occasions and even when I've completely convinced some of you, you didn't want to hear it because you've already decided that heaven and hell don't exist even though you've toured both places in your dreams. The regret you've stacked will not simply stop bothering you and even when the dreams stop your subconscious minds have simply given up on warning you. You can laugh and you can joke but I am the son of Satan and you'll only be guaranteeing your entrance to hell. You can pick apart my story, you can try to hide behind the misquotation of the bible but it will not save you. When the water level rises the ones who remain will wade through the water to try to get to higher ground. The insects which have instinctually clung to the sides of the remaining sky scrapers will swarm and spread disease. A lack of crops and farm animals will cause starvation and whatever land remains will be fought over. These are the four horsemen of the apocalypse. War, Famine, Pestilence, and death. I'm sure this is all hilarious to you and you'll have a good time making fun of it but then I will have a good time toying with your soul for eternity. It's all real and nothing that any scientist has discovered has disproven it. You hold tight to science as your excuse to sin without regret but that regret stacks despite your best efforts. You've been arrogantly playing god and the majority of you will burn for it. THE MAJORITY. I'm not a religious person. Religion is an excuse to pretend to be good while evil seeps from your pours like a cold black oil. I'm not satanic either, there is nothing cool or positive what so ever about hell. You can make fun all you want if there's one thing I've always loved about man kind it's your ability to humiliate each other. It reminds me of home.
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    I predict that Dec 25 2015, people around the world will be up to their ears in new revolving debt as they continue to attempt to purchase one another's affection while simultaneously trying to prove to one another that based on how much money they spend that they are better than those they buy gifts for. And some will think about some baby born to a knocked up virgin.
    You'll fight and you'll claw and no matter what you do the earth will end in a frozen ball of ice with human arms and legs sticking out of it. And those with the hope that the earth will not end will die in the most agony as the rest simply accept their fate and are granted access to paradise. Dec 15 2015 the north star will explode and as the debris draws closer and closer to our planet weather patterns will become less and less predictable. I've tried to express this on multiple occasions and even when I've completely convinced some of you, you didn't want to hear it because you've already decided that heaven and hell don't exist even though you've toured both places in your dreams. The regret you've stacked will not simply stop bothering you and even when the dreams stop your subconscious minds have simply given up on warning you. You can laugh and you can joke but I am the son of Satan and you'll only be guaranteeing your entrance to hell. You can pick apart my story, you can try to hide behind the misquotation of the bible but it will not save you. When the water level rises the ones who remain will wade through the water to try to get to higher ground. The insects which have instinctually clung to the sides of the remaining sky scrapers will swarm and spread disease. A lack of crops and farm animals will cause starvation and whatever land remains will be fought over. These are the four horsemen of the apocalypse. War, Famine, Pestilence, and death. I'm sure this is all hilarious to you and you'll have a good time making fun of it but then I will have a good time toying with your soul for eternity. It's all real and nothing that any scientist has discovered has disproven it. You hold tight to science as your excuse to sin without regret but that regret stacks despite your best efforts. You've been arrogantly playing god and the majority of you will burn for it. THE MAJORITY. I'm not a religious person. Religion is an excuse to pretend to be good while evil seeps from your pours like a cold black oil. I'm not satanic either, there is nothing cool or positive what so ever about hell. You can make fun all you want if there's one thing I've always loved about man kind it's your ability to humiliate each other. It reminds me of home.
    Ok, I'll play. So if this is all gonna happen in 3.5 years, what do you think we can do in such a short amount of time to prevent it? And where do you plan to be in 3.5 years. And home? Where might that be?

    And make up your mind are we going to freeze or burn? You aren't religious but you believe in god and that you will get paradise. do you know what "religious" means?

    I'm starting to think this thread doesn't even belong in pseudoscience. Seems it needs to be in the trash.

    Btw, stop preaching it's against the rules.


    lol you edited too late, I already quoted your dumb behind. It will stay on the forum forever.
    Yes religious by definition would mean being a member of a group of people following similar belief. I do not subcribe to any religion found on this planet. If you read my statement from the perspective of a non retard before replying to it you'd notice that I said those who accept their fate. acceptance of the end of the world means there is nothing we can do to stop it and nowhere to hide. Where do I plan to be? Where ever the fuck I happen to be. The only reason I edited and removed it is because I began to feel I didn't really care if you read it or not. I'm not ashamed of it. You can keep it on this forum you can post it on bill boards with silly fucking images of my face next to it if you want. Hell draw a penis entering my mouth for all I care.
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    also I didn't say the world was going to end in 2015 I said betelguese is going to explode. The debris will very gradually move toward our planet which will still give you a couple hundred if not thousand years to suffer.
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    how's the collection coming by the way?
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    Yes religious by definition would mean being a member of a group of people following similar belief. I do not subcribe to any religion found on this planet. If you read my statement from the perspective of a non retard before replying to it you'd notice that I said those who accept their fate. acceptance of the end of the world means there is nothing we can do to stop it and nowhere to hide. Where do I plan to be? Where ever the fuck I happen to be. The only reason I edited and removed it is because I began to feel I didn't really care if you read it or not. I'm not ashamed of it. You can keep it on this forum you can post it on bill boards with silly fucking images of my face next to it if you want. Hell draw a penis entering my mouth for all I care.
    Fascinating...
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    also I didn't say the world was going to end in 2015 I said betelguese is going to explode. The debris will very gradually move toward our planet which will still give you a couple hundred if not thousand years to suffer.
    No- you said the North Star- that's Polaris.
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    Yes religious by definition would mean being a member of a group of people following similar belief. I do not subcribe to any religion found on this planet. If you read my statement from the perspective of a non retard before replying to it you'd notice that I said those who accept their fate. acceptance of the end of the world means there is nothing we can do to stop it and nowhere to hide. Where do I plan to be? Where ever the fuck I happen to be. The only reason I edited and removed it is because I began to feel I didn't really care if you read it or not. I'm not ashamed of it. You can keep it on this forum you can post it on bill boards with silly fucking images of my face next to it if you want. Hell draw a penis entering my mouth for all I care.
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    also I didn't say the world was going to end in 2015 I said betelguese is going to explode. The debris will very gradually move toward our planet which will still give you a couple hundred if not thousand years to suffer.
    couple hundred if not thousand years to suffer huh? I don't expect to live more than another 50 years and that's if I'm lucky. Do you know anyone who has lived a couple of thousand years? I don't think so.


    You said nothing about Betelgeuse, you said "the earth will end in a frozen ball of ice with human arms and legs sticking out of it." Try again. Btw, I haven't called you any names so I'd appreciate if you don't call me a "retard". I'm sure retarded people would be offended at your clear intent to disparage developmentally challenged people to equate their disability as equal to what you see as stupidity or laziness.

    And what makes you think going around ranting about what you believe our fate will be serves any purpose. As you said, no one can escape their fate, so why worry about it? Why rant about it?I know I'm gonna die some day. I may die tomorrow. I don't care. I have accepted it. Have you accepted your fate? It seems you haven't since you think ranting about it on here will make some kind of difference.
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    Polaris is directly above the north pole yes and it is believed that this is the biblical north star however I happen to know this to be wrong. You'll also notice I referred to it as the flickering light. Betelgeuse is the star which is about to die. and two and two is also four.
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    Polaris is directly above the north pole yes and it is believed that this is the biblical north star however I happen to know this to be wrong. You'll also notice I referred to it as the flickering light. Betelgeuse is the star which is about to die. and two and two is also four.
    Biblical? So you follow the bible? Of Christianity? I thought you didn't follow any existing religions?
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    Betelgeuse is the star which is about to die.
    Show your astronomical data to support this assertion.
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    Polaris is directly above the north pole yes and it is believed that this is the biblical north star however I happen to know this to be wrong. You'll also notice I referred to it as the flickering light. Betelgeuse is the star which is about to die. and two and two is also four.
    Biblical? So you follow the bible? Of Christianity? I thought you didn't follow any existing religions?
    Just because I know the word biblical does not mean I follow religion. I suppose this is the stupidity and laziness you were talking about. I myself and guilty of the same thing. I try to think it all through but it's so much. The patterns all merge together in my mind and it's too much for me. I don't like knowing this and being the only one. I've talked to people about this and I don't know if you read my story or not but the part about Dr. Henderson and the fucking matrix actually happened. I know how crazy it sounds but the only part of that story that wasn't real was the part about the whole brain initiative and the very last scene. I feel like the more people know about this the more we'll try to fight harder to get to another planet. Imagine if there were an earth like planet within our view. We'd stop at nothing to get there just like we did the moon and we'd probably have already done it if we were trying harder. I think the same effort would be put forward if we all knew for sure the earth was going to end. So that's what good I believe talking about it could do because if our galaxy is an electron and the earth is becoming an H2O particle one thing we'd know for sure is that there are billions of earth like planets within our own galaxy. Isn't that better than believing we're completely alone. The end of the earth is inevitable and the majority of people will die in the process but it doesn't have to be the end of our species.
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    Betelgeuse is the star which is about to die.
    Show your astronomical data to support this assertion.
    What are you talking about it's all over the discovery channel. you haven't seen it flickering in the sky. It's enormous and they're saying it could become a supernova at any time... What kind of astronomical data do you need to know what that means?
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    What are you talking about it's all over the discovery channel. you haven't seen it flickering in the sky. It's enormous and they're saying it could become a supernova at any time... What kind of astronomical data do you need to know what that means?
    It shouldn't be difficult for you to find references to support your statements, then.
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    Polaris is directly above the north pole yes and it is believed that this is the biblical north star however I happen to know this to be wrong. You'll also notice I referred to it as the flickering light. Betelgeuse is the star which is about to die. and two and two is also four.
    Biblical? So you follow the bible? Of Christianity? I thought you didn't follow any existing religions?
    Just because I know the word biblical does not mean I follow religion. I suppose this is the stupidity and laziness you were talking about. I myself and guilty of the same thing. I try to think it all through but it's so much. The patterns all merge together in my mind and it's too much for me. I don't like knowing this and being the only one. I've talked to people about this and I don't know if you read my story or not but the part about Dr. Henderson and the fucking matrix actually happened. I know how crazy it sounds but the only part of that story that wasn't real was the part about the whole brain initiative and the very last scene. I feel like the more people know about this the more we'll try to fight harder to get to another planet. Imagine if there were an earth like planet within our view. We'd stop at nothing to get there just like we did the moon and we'd probably have already done it if we were trying harder. I think the same effort would be put forward if we all knew for sure the earth was going to end. So that's what good I believe talking about it could do because if our galaxy is an electron and the earth is becoming an H2O particle one thing we'd know for sure is that there are billions of earth like planets within our own galaxy. Isn't that better than believing we're completely alone. The end of the earth is inevitable and the majority of people will die in the process but it doesn't have to be the end of our species.
    no one on the planet that is alive today is going to suffer the supernova of any star. No one lives more than about 120 years usually, and that isn't even the average, that is the extreme max life span for a human. Most very healthy people even live less than 100 years. So stop trippin. We are more likely to die from nuclear fallout than from any astronomical marvels.

    What are you talking about it's all over the discovery channel. you haven't seen it flickering in the sky. It's enormous and they're saying it could become a supernova at any time... What kind of astronomical data do you need to know what that means?
    And there are lots of things all over discovery channel. They stopped being a bastion of science and reality a very long time ago.

    Besides, When an astronomer says "any time now" they don't mean time relative to human life. They mean time relative to the existence of the universe. So "any time now" could be any time within the next million years. Sheesh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    And there are lots of things all over discovery channel. They stopped being a bastion of science and reality a very long time ago.

    Besides, When an astronomer says "any time now" they don't mean time relative to human life. They mean time relative to the existence of the universe. So "any time now" could be any time within the next million years. Sheesh.
    Flickering in the sky when we're at the bottom of an 'ocean' of atmosphere and smog means just exactly jack diddly squat.
    Discovery Channel- LOL
    Now, I admit, I'm not up to date on the current status of all the stars... But that is why I asked him for evidence.
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    What are you talking about it's all over the discovery channel. you haven't seen it flickering in the sky. It's enormous and they're saying it could become a supernova at any time... What kind of astronomical data do you need to know what that means?
    It shouldn't be difficult for you to find references to support your statements, then.
    Betelgeuse to be second sun for Earth as supernova turns night into day | Mail Online

    Betelgeuse, Red Supergiant Star Nearing Supernova Is Going To Crash Through A Giant Wall Of Dust | PlanetSave

    Betelgeuse and 2012 : Bad Astronomy

    Interesting Reading #501 – Betelgeuse about to supernova? Is Android

    Betelgeuse will explode someday | Brightest Stars | EarthSky
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    From what I've read it's just as likely to happen tomorrow as it is in millions of years. but it's the patterns I've noticed in the behavior of our species that point toward extiction that have me the most concerned. Did you read the thing about the closet lesbians closely or were you too busy admiring your own "intelligence"
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    Bad Astronomy website points out that it's NOT going to do as you say.

    So does Wikipedia:
    Betelgeuse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Solving the riddle of mass-loss will be the key to knowing when a supernova may occur, an event expected in the next million years.[51][116][117]
    Since its rotational axis is not pointed toward the Earth, Betelgeuse's supernova is unlikely to send a gamma ray burst in the direction of Earth large enough to damage ecosystems.[117] The flash of ultraviolet radiation from the explosion will likely be weaker than the ultraviolet output of the Sun.
    Due to misunderstandings caused by the 2009 publication of the star's 15% contraction,[46][75] Betelgeuse has frequently been the subject of scare stories and rumors suggesting that it will explode within a year, leading to exaggerated claims about the consequences of such an event.[119][120]
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    From what I've read it's just as likely to happen tomorrow as it is in millions of years.
    Yeah... One year... One million years... same thing.
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    Did you read the thing about the closet lesbians closely or were you too busy admiring your own "intelligence"
    Dude, I have been staring at it in the mirror wishing I was a chick so I could so do me...

    Lesbians most certainly will not be the fall of humankind- at all. There is nothing wrong with homosexuals nor are they some kind of threat, even for the prejudiced and paranoid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by est.82
    From what I've read it's just as likely to happen tomorrow as it is in millions of years. but it's the patterns I've noticed in the behavior of our species that point toward extiction that have me the most concerned. Did you read the thing about the closet lesbians closely or were you too busy admiring your own "intelligence"
    You may want to work on your reading skills, and you think I'm stupid... wow.

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    What are you talking about it's all over the discovery channel. you haven't seen it flickering in the sky. It's enormous and they're saying it could become a supernova at any time... What kind of astronomical data do you need to know what that means?
    It shouldn't be difficult for you to find references to support your statements, then.
    Betelgeuse to be second sun for Earth as supernova turns night into day | Mail Online

    Betelgeuse, Red Supergiant Star Nearing Supernova Is Going To Crash Through A Giant Wall Of Dust | PlanetSave

    Betelgeuse and 2012 : Bad Astronomy

    Interesting Reading #501 – Betelgeuse about to supernova? Is Android

    Betelgeuse will explode someday | Brightest Stars | EarthSky
    from your second source
    Because of how close Betelgeuse is to us though (640 light years), when the star finally does go supernova, it will be very visible from the Earth. It will be easily brighter than the full moon and visible in broad daylight for many months. Because its rotational axis isn’t directed towards the Earth, researchers think that it is very unlikely that we would be hit by gamma ray bursts from the explosion. The best current estimates say that it will go supernova at some point in the next million years, but not anytime soon.
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    From what I've read it's just as likely to happen tomorrow as it is in millions of years. but it's the patterns I've noticed in the behavior of our species that point toward extiction that have me the most concerned. Did you read the thing about the closet lesbians closely or were you too busy admiring your own "intelligence"
    You may want to work on your reading skills, and you think I'm stupid... wow.

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    What are you talking about it's all over the discovery channel. you haven't seen it flickering in the sky. It's enormous and they're saying it could become a supernova at any time... What kind of astronomical data do you need to know what that means?
    It shouldn't be difficult for you to find references to support your statements, then.
    Betelgeuse to be second sun for Earth as supernova turns night into day | Mail Online

    Betelgeuse, Red Supergiant Star Nearing Supernova Is Going To Crash Through A Giant Wall Of Dust | PlanetSave

    Betelgeuse and 2012 : Bad Astronomy

    Interesting Reading #501 – Betelgeuse about to supernova? Is Android

    Betelgeuse will explode someday | Brightest Stars | EarthSky
    from your second source
    Because of how close Betelgeuse is to us though (640 light years), when the star finally does go supernova, it will be very visible from the Earth. It will be easily brighter than the full moon and visible in broad daylight for many months. Because its rotational axis isn’t directed towards the Earth, researchers think that it is very unlikely that we would be hit by gamma ray bursts from the explosion. The best current estimates say that it will go supernova at some point in the next million years, but not anytime soon.
    Yes but if they understood relativity they'd know that because of how far this star is from us it would take the light 640 years to reach us. Check my fifth source which states that it could just as easily happen tomorrow as it could in a million years. Because of the relative distance the explosion could have already taken place for all we actually know.
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    From what I've read it's just as likely to happen tomorrow as it is in millions of years. but it's the patterns I've noticed in the behavior of our species that point toward extiction that have me the most concerned. Did you read the thing about the closet lesbians closely or were you too busy admiring your own "intelligence"
    You may want to work on your reading skills, and you think I'm stupid... wow.

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    What are you talking about it's all over the discovery channel. you haven't seen it flickering in the sky. It's enormous and they're saying it could become a supernova at any time... What kind of astronomical data do you need to know what that means?
    It shouldn't be difficult for you to find references to support your statements, then.
    Betelgeuse to be second sun for Earth as supernova turns night into day | Mail Online

    Betelgeuse, Red Supergiant Star Nearing Supernova Is Going To Crash Through A Giant Wall Of Dust | PlanetSave

    Betelgeuse and 2012 : Bad Astronomy

    Interesting Reading #501 – Betelgeuse about to supernova? Is Android

    Betelgeuse will explode someday | Brightest Stars | EarthSky
    from your second source
    Because of how close Betelgeuse is to us though (640 light years), when the star finally does go supernova, it will be very visible from the Earth. It will be easily brighter than the full moon and visible in broad daylight for many months. Because its rotational axis isn’t directed towards the Earth, researchers think that it is very unlikely that we would be hit by gamma ray bursts from the explosion. The best current estimates say that it will go supernova at some point in the next million years, but not anytime soon.
    Yes but if they understood relativity they'd know that because of how far this star is from us it would take the light 640 years to reach us. Check my fifth source which states that it could just as easily happen tomorrow as it could in a million years. Because of the relative distance the explosion could have already taken place for all we actually know.
    Do you understand relativity? I dare you to go to the physics forum and try to teach it to someone.

    From your understanding, how do you know it didn't happen 600 years ago? Golly gee, what ever will we do?
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    Bad Astronomy website points out that it's NOT going to do as you say.

    So does Wikipedia:
    Betelgeuse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Solving the riddle of mass-loss will be the key to knowing when a supernova may occur, an event expected in the next million years.[51][116][117]
    Since its rotational axis is not pointed toward the Earth, Betelgeuse's supernova is unlikely to send a gamma ray burst in the direction of Earth large enough to damage ecosystems.[117] The flash of ultraviolet radiation from the explosion will likely be weaker than the ultraviolet output of the Sun.
    Due to misunderstandings caused by the 2009 publication of the star's 15% contraction,[46][75] Betelgeuse has frequently been the subject of scare stories and rumors suggesting that it will explode within a year, leading to exaggerated claims about the consequences of such an event.[119][120]
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    From what I've read it's just as likely to happen tomorrow as it is in millions of years.
    Yeah... One year... One million years... same thing.
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    Did you read the thing about the closet lesbians closely or were you too busy admiring your own "intelligence"
    Dude, I have been staring at it in the mirror wishing I was a chick so I could so do me...

    Lesbians most certainly will not be the fall of humankind- at all. There is nothing wrong with homosexuals nor are they some kind of threat, even for the prejudiced and paranoid.
    The thing about them leading groups of girls is true. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with homosexuality however the entire population is not as open minded as you and I are and believe it or not closet homosexuals still exist. They do have an easier time rejecting the opposite sex than heterosexuals and because of this they have been looked up to by girls trying to weed through lazy and unmotivated men which is a growing problem as our species becomes more and more over populated. If you look at how rampant child molestation is in Japan and you read about what's happening due to internet porn addiction you'll see that we're dangerously close to being the same. If you live in an area with a low economy and you go out to the bar this form of population control is everywhere. You'll hear groups of guys saying things like "This guys been touching my dick all night." They're being lead around by closet homosexuals as well because of how well they do with women who are being lead around by the lesbians. these male homosexuals are teaching these guys that women are succubi and they look up to him for his ability to dump them.
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    From what I've read it's just as likely to happen tomorrow as it is in millions of years. but it's the patterns I've noticed in the behavior of our species that point toward extiction that have me the most concerned. Did you read the thing about the closet lesbians closely or were you too busy admiring your own "intelligence"
    You may want to work on your reading skills, and you think I'm stupid... wow.

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    What are you talking about it's all over the discovery channel. you haven't seen it flickering in the sky. It's enormous and they're saying it could become a supernova at any time... What kind of astronomical data do you need to know what that means?
    It shouldn't be difficult for you to find references to support your statements, then.
    Betelgeuse to be second sun for Earth as supernova turns night into day | Mail Online

    Betelgeuse, Red Supergiant Star Nearing Supernova Is Going To Crash Through A Giant Wall Of Dust | PlanetSave

    Betelgeuse and 2012 : Bad Astronomy

    Interesting Reading #501 – Betelgeuse about to supernova? Is Android

    Betelgeuse will explode someday | Brightest Stars | EarthSky
    from your second source
    Because of how close Betelgeuse is to us though (640 light years), when the star finally does go supernova, it will be very visible from the Earth. It will be easily brighter than the full moon and visible in broad daylight for many months. Because its rotational axis isn’t directed towards the Earth, researchers think that it is very unlikely that we would be hit by gamma ray bursts from the explosion. The best current estimates say that it will go supernova at some point in the next million years, but not anytime soon.
    Yes but if they understood relativity they'd know that because of how far this star is from us it would take the light 640 years to reach us. Check my fifth source which states that it could just as easily happen tomorrow as it could in a million years. Because of the relative distance the explosion could have already taken place for all we actually know.
    Do you understand relativity? I dare you to go to the physics forum and try to teach it to someone.

    From your understanding, how do you know it didn't happen 600 years ago? Golly gee, what ever will we do?
    relative thinking is simple. The further you are from a planet the faster it will appear to be spinning. The distance you are from a star is the amount of time it will take the light to travel to you and how bright it will appear depending on it's size. What is there to not understand?
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    Bad Astronomy website points out that it's NOT going to do as you say.

    So does Wikipedia:
    Betelgeuse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Solving the riddle of mass-loss will be the key to knowing when a supernova may occur, an event expected in the next million years.[51][116][117]
    Since its rotational axis is not pointed toward the Earth, Betelgeuse's supernova is unlikely to send a gamma ray burst in the direction of Earth large enough to damage ecosystems.[117] The flash of ultraviolet radiation from the explosion will likely be weaker than the ultraviolet output of the Sun.
    Due to misunderstandings caused by the 2009 publication of the star's 15% contraction,[46][75] Betelgeuse has frequently been the subject of scare stories and rumors suggesting that it will explode within a year, leading to exaggerated claims about the consequences of such an event.[119][120]
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    From what I've read it's just as likely to happen tomorrow as it is in millions of years.
    Yeah... One year... One million years... same thing.
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    Did you read the thing about the closet lesbians closely or were you too busy admiring your own "intelligence"
    Dude, I have been staring at it in the mirror wishing I was a chick so I could so do me...

    Lesbians most certainly will not be the fall of humankind- at all. There is nothing wrong with homosexuals nor are they some kind of threat, even for the prejudiced and paranoid.
    The thing about them leading groups of girls is true. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with homosexuality however the entire population is not as open minded as you and I are and believe it or not closet homosexuals still exist.
    Omg, no way, get outta town!!.. Check this out. now don't get too scared but guess what, there are closeted heterosexuals too.


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    They do have an easier time rejecting the opposite sex than heterosexuals and because of this they have been looked up to by girls trying to weed through lazy and unmotivated men which is a growing problem as our species becomes more and more over populated. If you look at how rampant child molestation is in Japan and you read about what's happening due to internet porn addiction you'll see that we're dangerously close to being the same. If you live in an area with a low economy and you go out to the bar this form of population control is everywhere. You'll hear groups of guys saying things like "This guys been touching my dick all night."
    If you don't like hearing expressions like that, maybe you shouldn't go to gay bars. Or maybe you shouldn't go to bars at all. There are lots of people who live a perfectly happy life without ever setting foot in one. Bars are not a requirement for survival.

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    They're being lead around by closet homosexuals as well because of how well they do with women who are being lead around by the lesbians. these male homosexuals are teaching these guys that women are succubi and they look up to him for his ability to dump them.
    LMAO ... please tell me you are developing your character for a comedy skit.
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    You claimed that December 25th- it would go supernova.
    You said that. Yeah- that or a million years from now.

    Well, let's say that 639 years ago- that star 'sploded.
    So what?
    The effect on Earth is we'll get to look up, see sky with pretty pretty light.
    What does it have to do with extinction? Not a damned thing.
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    They do have an easier time rejecting the opposite sex than heterosexuals and because of this they have been looked up to by girls trying to weed through lazy and unmotivated men which is a growing problem as our species becomes more and more over populated. If you look at how rampant child molestation is in Japan and you read about what's happening due to internet porn addiction you'll see that we're dangerously close to being the same. If you live in an area with a low economy and you go out to the bar this form of population control is everywhere. You'll hear groups of guys saying things like "This guys been touching my dick all night." They're being lead around by closet homosexuals as well because of how well they do with women who are being lead around by the lesbians. these male homosexuals are teaching these guys that women are succubi and they look up to him for his ability to dump them.
    Yak- you can't necessarily fight biology. Do you think it's so easy to seduce people to the gay side or something?

    Gay people are born that way- set with that preference. Given the oppression and persecution they've suffered from- don't you think if it was So Easy to go straight they would?
    The same goes for straight people. It's not so easy. You can't take a straight guy or girl and make them want the same gender like switching icve cream flavors.

    So what you're saying has no real bearing on anything much less any extinction pattern.

    I do agree that our over-population and easy access to internet naughtiness has exacerbated certain existing issues of society, but they won't be the downfall of humanity anymore than beer, firearms, monkeys flinging poo or chimps raping frogs (Seriously- youtube that. It really happened.)

    Even IF you were sparking on something... We're overpopulated NOW and we're supposed to peak at 14 billion or so. It seems like a few more non-breeders should be a welcome thing.
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    From what I've read it's just as likely to happen tomorrow as it is in millions of years. but it's the patterns I've noticed in the behavior of our species that point toward extiction that have me the most concerned. Did you read the thing about the closet lesbians closely or were you too busy admiring your own "intelligence"
    You may want to work on your reading skills, and you think I'm stupid... wow.

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    What are you talking about it's all over the discovery channel. you haven't seen it flickering in the sky. It's enormous and they're saying it could become a supernova at any time... What kind of astronomical data do you need to know what that means?
    It shouldn't be difficult for you to find references to support your statements, then.
    Betelgeuse to be second sun for Earth as supernova turns night into day | Mail Online

    Betelgeuse, Red Supergiant Star Nearing Supernova Is Going To Crash Through A Giant Wall Of Dust | PlanetSave

    Betelgeuse and 2012 : Bad Astronomy

    Interesting Reading #501 – Betelgeuse about to supernova? Is Android

    Betelgeuse will explode someday | Brightest Stars | EarthSky
    from your second source
    Because of how close Betelgeuse is to us though (640 light years), when the star finally does go supernova, it will be very visible from the Earth. It will be easily brighter than the full moon and visible in broad daylight for many months. Because its rotational axis isn’t directed towards the Earth, researchers think that it is very unlikely that we would be hit by gamma ray bursts from the explosion. The best current estimates say that it will go supernova at some point in the next million years, but not anytime soon.
    Yes but if they understood relativity they'd know that because of how far this star is from us it would take the light 640 years to reach us. Check my fifth source which states that it could just as easily happen tomorrow as it could in a million years. Because of the relative distance the explosion could have already taken place for all we actually know.
    Do you understand relativity? I dare you to go to the physics forum and try to teach it to someone.

    From your understanding, how do you know it didn't happen 600 years ago? Golly gee, what ever will we do?
    relative thinking is simple. The further you are from a planet the faster it will appear to be spinning. The distance you are from a star is the amount of time it will take the light to travel to you and how bright it will appear depending on it's size. What is there to not understand?
    No no no, i said go to the physics forum and explain it. I don't know physics. That's not my area of understanding. But I know how to read. And none of what you gave us as evidence supports your outlandish freak out.

    Anyway, I'm goin to bed now. Maybe we'll get lucky and find out Betelgeuse went supernova 640 years ago and we will get a nice light show in the morning. That would be awesome since I missed Haley's comet when I was a kid because of a storm system that blocked the sky for a week.
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    relative thinking is simple. The further you are from a planet the faster it will appear to be spinning.
    Incorrect.
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    The distance you are from a star is the amount of time it will take the light to travel to you
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    Bad Astronomy website points out that it's NOT going to do as you say.

    So does Wikipedia:
    Betelgeuse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Solving the riddle of mass-loss will be the key to knowing when a supernova may occur, an event expected in the next million years.[51][116][117]
    Since its rotational axis is not pointed toward the Earth, Betelgeuse's supernova is unlikely to send a gamma ray burst in the direction of Earth large enough to damage ecosystems.[117] The flash of ultraviolet radiation from the explosion will likely be weaker than the ultraviolet output of the Sun.
    Due to misunderstandings caused by the 2009 publication of the star's 15% contraction,[46][75] Betelgeuse has frequently been the subject of scare stories and rumors suggesting that it will explode within a year, leading to exaggerated claims about the consequences of such an event.[119][120]
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    From what I've read it's just as likely to happen tomorrow as it is in millions of years.
    Yeah... One year... One million years... same thing.
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    Did you read the thing about the closet lesbians closely or were you too busy admiring your own "intelligence"
    Dude, I have been staring at it in the mirror wishing I was a chick so I could so do me...

    Lesbians most certainly will not be the fall of humankind- at all. There is nothing wrong with homosexuals nor are they some kind of threat, even for the prejudiced and paranoid.
    The thing about them leading groups of girls is true. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with homosexuality however the entire population is not as open minded as you and I are and believe it or not closet homosexuals still exist.
    Omg, no way, get outta town!!.. Check this out. now don't get too scared but guess what, there are closeted heterosexuals too.


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    They do have an easier time rejecting the opposite sex than heterosexuals and because of this they have been looked up to by girls trying to weed through lazy and unmotivated men which is a growing problem as our species becomes more and more over populated. If you look at how rampant child molestation is in Japan and you read about what's happening due to internet porn addiction you'll see that we're dangerously close to being the same. If you live in an area with a low economy and you go out to the bar this form of population control is everywhere. You'll hear groups of guys saying things like "This guys been touching my dick all night."
    If you don't like hearing expressions like that, maybe you shouldn't go to gay bars. Or maybe you shouldn't go to bars at all. There are lots of people who live a perfectly happy life without ever setting foot in one. Bars are not a requirement for survival.

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    They're being lead around by closet homosexuals as well because of how well they do with women who are being lead around by the lesbians. these male homosexuals are teaching these guys that women are succubi and they look up to him for his ability to dump them.
    LMAO ... please tell me you are developing your character for a comedy skit.
    Oh ok. so all the closet lesbians I've met who say they became that way because their brother raped them when they were children. I suppose you'd tell them their experience had nothing to do with it? Laugh in their face and tell them you wish you could so do yourself.

    I didn't say anything about them turning heterosexuals into homosexuals I said they lead them away from each other. The girls are dating closet fags and the guys are dumping girls because of his advice. Where do you think this whole "You're a creepy pervert." thing came from. Do you think somehow over the past ten or fifteen years girls have just become less interested in sex.
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    I didn't say anything about them turning heterosexuals into homosexuals I said they lead them away from each other. The girls are dating closet fags and the guys are dumping girls because of his advice. Where do you think this whole "You're a creepy pervert." thing came from. Do you think somehow over the past ten or fifteen years girls have just become less interested in sex.
    Making a mountain of a molehill. While it's possible that childhood trauma turned some women understandably off of sex- and it's possible that some even thought that was why they liked women - even if some guys do listen to a closeted man that dumps women... What percentage of the population are you talking about and what does it have to do with the fall of humankind?
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    relative thinking is simple. The further you are from a planet the faster it will appear to be spinning.
    Incorrect.
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    The distance you are from a star is the amount of time it will take the light to travel to you
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    and how bright it will appear depending on it's size.
    Correct.
    Actually the first one is correct. This is why I feel the need to scream at science in general. Before I spoke to a guy about this outside of a bar they were saying they didn't consider breathing a natural function.
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    Actually the first one is correct.
    Show how.
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    I didn't say anything about them turning heterosexuals into homosexuals I said they lead them away from each other. The girls are dating closet fags and the guys are dumping girls because of his advice. Where do you think this whole "You're a creepy pervert." thing came from. Do you think somehow over the past ten or fifteen years girls have just become less interested in sex.
    Making a mountain of a molehill. While it's possible that childhood trauma turned some women understandably off of sex- and it's possible that some even thought that was why they liked women - even if some guys do listen to a closeted man that dumps women... What percentage of the population are you talking about and what does it have to do with the fall of humankind?
    It's because of how the pattern started. With the womens rights movement and the appearance of the welfare mom creating a growing number of lazy men. Internet porn addiction leads to child porn addiction because these men are being told about sex too early without the father's counter ballancing instinct to hold that information back. The father understands that a male child will become obsessed with sex at an early age. if this happens he may rape his sister creating a lesbian. Then he grows up to molest his children creating more homosexuals. Even if they weren't leading heterosexuals away from eachother most homosexuals don't procreate. anything that causes less or more procreation, and anything that causes life or death to occur is natural population control
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    Actually the first one is correct.
    Show how.
    Unfortunately there's no way to do that. I'm assuming the universe is a molecular structure and basing this relative theory on how fast a particle would appear to be spinning.
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    relative thinking is simple. The further you are from a planet the faster it will appear to be spinning.
    Incorrect.
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    The distance you are from a star is the amount of time it will take the light to travel to you
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    and how bright it will appear depending on it's size.
    Correct.
    Actually the first one is correct. This is why I feel the need to scream at science in general. Before I spoke to a guy about this outside of a bar they were saying they didn't consider breathing a natural function.
    You spend a lot of time talking to guys in bars don't you? Maybe you should visit bars less. The beverages there can damage fragile brains.

    Now I'm going to bed... really. Btw, I've reported your little homophobic rant below.

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    It's because of how the pattern started. With the womens rights movement and the appearance of the welfare mom creating a growing number of lazy men. Internet porn addiction leads to child porn addiction because these men are being told about sex too early without the father's counter ballancing instinct to hold that information back. The father understands that a male child will become obsessed with sex at an early age. if this happens he may rape his sister creating a lesbian. Then he grows up to molest his children creating more homosexuals. Even if they weren't leading heterosexuals away from eachother most homosexuals don't procreate. anything that causes less or more procreation, and anything that causes life or death to occur is natural population control
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    relative thinking is simple. The further you are from a planet the faster it will appear to be spinning.
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    The distance you are from a star is the amount of time it will take the light to travel to you
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    and how bright it will appear depending on it's size.
    Correct.
    Actually the first one is correct. This is why I feel the need to scream at science in general. Before I spoke to a guy about this outside of a bar they were saying they didn't consider breathing a natural function.
    You spend a lot of time talking to guys in bars don't you? Maybe you should visit bars less. The beverages there can damage fragile brains.

    Now I'm going to bed... really. Btw, I've reported your little homophobic rant below.

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    It's because of how the pattern started. With the womens rights movement and the appearance of the welfare mom creating a growing number of lazy men. Internet porn addiction leads to child porn addiction because these men are being told about sex too early without the father's counter ballancing instinct to hold that information back. The father understands that a male child will become obsessed with sex at an early age. if this happens he may rape his sister creating a lesbian. Then he grows up to molest his children creating more homosexuals. Even if they weren't leading heterosexuals away from eachother most homosexuals don't procreate. anything that causes less or more procreation, and anything that causes life or death to occur is natural population control
    I honestly don't see how you can call this homophobic. I don't hate homosexuals in fact if anything I'd say it would be better for us all if we could make it more acceptable. Then they wouldn't feel the need to be in the closet and this wouldn't be happening. I'm blaming homophobia not homosexuals. But thanks ass
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    relative thinking is simple. The further you are from a planet the faster it will appear to be spinning.
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    The distance you are from a star is the amount of time it will take the light to travel to you
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    and how bright it will appear depending on it's size.
    Correct.
    Actually the first one is correct. This is why I feel the need to scream at science in general. Before I spoke to a guy about this outside of a bar they were saying they didn't consider breathing a natural function.
    You spend a lot of time talking to guys in bars don't you? Maybe you should visit bars less. The beverages there can damage fragile brains.

    Now I'm going to bed... really. Btw, I've reported your little homophobic rant below.

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    It's because of how the pattern started. With the womens rights movement and the appearance of the welfare mom creating a growing number of lazy men. Internet porn addiction leads to child porn addiction because these men are being told about sex too early without the father's counter ballancing instinct to hold that information back. The father understands that a male child will become obsessed with sex at an early age. if this happens he may rape his sister creating a lesbian. Then he grows up to molest his children creating more homosexuals. Even if they weren't leading heterosexuals away from eachother most homosexuals don't procreate. anything that causes less or more procreation, and anything that causes life or death to occur is natural population control
    Besides you're the one who's been making little insinuations that I'm gay. I never tried to call you gay if anyone here has been homophobic it's you.
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    Unfortunately there's no way to do that. I'm assuming the universe is a molecular structure and basing this relative theory on how fast a particle would appear to be spinning.
    So- you've got nothing. Got it.
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    It's because of how the pattern started. With the womens rights movement and the appearance of the welfare mom creating a growing number of lazy men. Internet porn addiction leads to child porn addiction because these men are being told about sex too early without the father's counter ballancing instinct to hold that information back. The father understands that a male child will become obsessed with sex at an early age. if this happens he may rape his sister creating a lesbian. Then he grows up to molest his children creating more homosexuals. Even if they weren't leading heterosexuals away from eachother most homosexuals don't procreate. anything that causes less or more procreation, and anything that causes life or death to occur is natural population control
    Like your cosmology hypothesis, above, you have no clue. You're assuming and making things up.
    You are not basing your claims on actual statistics or studies, but on random anecdotes, assumptions and haphazard guesses.
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    Unfortunately there's no way to do that. I'm assuming the universe is a molecular structure and basing this relative theory on how fast a particle would appear to be spinning.
    So- you've got nothing. Got it.
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    It's because of how the pattern started. With the womens rights movement and the appearance of the welfare mom creating a growing number of lazy men. Internet porn addiction leads to child porn addiction because these men are being told about sex too early without the father's counter ballancing instinct to hold that information back. The father understands that a male child will become obsessed with sex at an early age. if this happens he may rape his sister creating a lesbian. Then he grows up to molest his children creating more homosexuals. Even if they weren't leading heterosexuals away from eachother most homosexuals don't procreate. anything that causes less or more procreation, and anything that causes life or death to occur is natural population control
    Like your cosmology hypothesis, above, you have no clue. You're assuming and making things up.
    You are not basing your claims on actual statistics or studies, but on random anecdotes, assumptions and haphazard guesses.
    I admit the majority of what I'm saying is theory but the patterns I was discussing about closet lesbians come from experiences I've had. and I think if you look at it and if you were to step outside of your house and your head for a moment... you'd see it playing out the same way I did. it's saturday humor me and go out to a nightclub and talk to an older bartender if there is one. I say an older guy because they've seen more of it than I have. That part is not theory it's right there in front of you. There's no way to study this kind of thing without experiencing it.
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    I admit the majority of what I'm saying is theory
    No it's not.

    you'd see it playing out the same way I did.
    Nonsense.

    it's saturday humor me and go out to a nightclub and talk to an older bartender if there is one. I say an older guy because they've seen more of it than I have. That part is not theory it's right there in front of you. There's no way to study this kind of thing without experiencing it.
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    I admit the majority of what I'm saying is theory
    No, it is speculation, nothing more.
    A theory is supported by testing, experimentation and objective evidence.
    And the real clincher of this one is that you're passing these wild speculations onto other people in order to Blame Them for the fears you have.
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    but the patterns I was discussing about closet lesbians come from experiences I've had.
    And I've had different experiences with lesbians- all of whom I got along with quite well.
    Anecdote does not equal evidence.

    I've been to enough bars in my time, thanks. I prefer to avoid them. They tend to be filled with unhappy people thinking a drink and company will make them less unhappy. Most of the population does not end up in bars. That's why bars are few in number and even then usually have a group of regulars.

    Nightclubs appeal to the young-mostly- and they tend to get over that lifestyle pretty quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by est.82 View Post
    I admit the majority of what I'm saying is theory but the patterns I was discussing about closet lesbians come from experiences I've had. and I think if you look at it and if you were to step outside of your house and your head for a moment... you'd see it playing out the same way I did. it's saturday humor me and go out to a nightclub and talk to an older bartender if there is one. I say an older guy because they've seen more of it than I have. That part is not theory it's right there in front of you. There's no way to study this kind of thing without experiencing it.
    Certainly not scientific theory...barely qualifying as hypothesis.

    But it's not as if these subjects aren't being researched either--so please provide some credible research that shows anything supporting your unusual notions about sex gender preferences.

    (putting mod hat on)
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    The further you are from a planet the faster it will appear to be spinning.
    This is utter nonsense.

    Mars appears to spin at the same rate, whether it is at its closest to the Earth, or on the opposite side of the Sun compared to the Earth. Why do you think distance from a planet has any effect on the rate it appears to spin?
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    very well. I'm convinced. It's all just a delusion. I never said I didn't get along with them. You keep accusing me of disliking homosexuals and all that does is make you seem guilty of it. Just like the racist who makes them self feel better by accusing the world around them of it. But what ever obviously my experiences while numerous and quite detailed didn't mean anything. You can all go back to starring really closely at the dirt and I'll go back to saving children from child molestation by hunting down closet lesbians because nine out of ten of them were raped by their brother when they were children even though that had nothing to do with their sexual preference apparently. Have fun with your dirt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by est.82 View Post
    very well. I'm convinced. It's all just a delusion. I never said I didn't get along with them. You keep accusing me of disliking homosexuals and all that does is make you seem guilty of it. Just like the racist who makes them self feel better by accusing the world around them of it. But what ever obviously my experiences while numerous and quite detailed didn't mean anything. You can all go back to starring really closely at the dirt and I'll go back to saving children from child molestation by hunting down closet lesbians because nine out of ten of them were raped by their brother when they were children even though that had nothing to do with their sexual preference apparently. Have fun with your dirt.
    9 out of 10 huh? What's your source of information? Again, making a claim without backing it up. We have no reason to take your word for anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by est.82 View Post
    very well. I'm convinced. It's all just a delusion. I never said I didn't get along with them. You keep accusing me of disliking homosexuals and all that does is make you seem guilty of it. Just like the racist who makes them self feel better by accusing the world around them of it. But what ever obviously my experiences while numerous and quite detailed didn't mean anything. You can all go back to starring really closely at the dirt and I'll go back to saving children from child molestation by hunting down closet lesbians because nine out of ten of them were raped by their brother when they were children even though that had nothing to do with their sexual preference apparently. Have fun with your dirt.
    9 out of 10 huh? What's your source of information? Again, making a claim without backing it up. We have no reason to take your word for anything.

    I think you missed the point... I don't give a shit anymore. Take my word, don't take my word it makes no difference to me. I'm sure that link leads to something that would make everything I've said about this subject seem wrong but I've lived it and when I said nine out of ten I was just trying to be open minded. in my experience it's been every fucking time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by est.82 View Post
    very well. I'm convinced. It's all just a delusion. I never said I didn't get along with them. You keep accusing me of disliking homosexuals and all that does is make you seem guilty of it. Just like the racist who makes them self feel better by accusing the world around them of it. But what ever obviously my experiences while numerous and quite detailed didn't mean anything. You can all go back to starring really closely at the dirt and I'll go back to saving children from child molestation by hunting down closet lesbians because nine out of ten of them were raped by their brother when they were children even though that had nothing to do with their sexual preference apparently. Have fun with your dirt.
    The bullshit is strong with this one...
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    very well. I'm convinced. It's all just a delusion. I never said I didn't get along with them. You keep accusing me of disliking homosexuals and all that does is make you seem guilty of it. Just like the racist who makes them self feel better by accusing the world around them of it. But what ever obviously my experiences while numerous and quite detailed didn't mean anything. You can all go back to starring really closely at the dirt and I'll go back to saving children from child molestation by hunting down closet lesbians because nine out of ten of them were raped by their brother when they were children even though that had nothing to do with their sexual preference apparently. Have fun with your dirt.
    9 out of 10 huh? What's your source of information? Again, making a claim without backing it up. We have no reason to take your word for anything.
    I think you missed the point... I don't give a shit anymore. Take my word, don't take my word it makes no difference to me. I'm sure that link leads to something that would make everything I've said about this subject seem wrong but I've lived it and when I said nine out of ten I was just trying to be open minded. in my experience it's been every fucking time.
    So you made up the ratio of 9 out of 10... I see. That's the same as lying.

    You are the one missing the point. Your anecdotal evidence is not representative of the average experience and is therefore crap as a source of statistics. Your experience would have to be counted with thousands of other people's experiences in order to include it with an actual statistic, and even then, unless you are a closeted lesbian yourself, your experience has nothing to do with the experiences of closeted lesbians.
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    ...deleted..due to influences that seem a tad more civilized than I..........
    ............
    that being said:
    Long ago and far away when I was dating my beloved spouse, she was a blues- rock and roll drummer(when i met her, she was playing the kettle drums with an orchestra)
    anyway, she got some gigs with a lesbian band. One was in a gay bar and i tagged along, and sat behind the piano, reading and doing homework, and listening to the conversations around me. Wow what a psych study. I began to take notes. The bar was run by 2 middle aged lesbians who meandered about counciling the young gay men and women as/re their interpersonal/relationship difficulties.

    Nice slice of someone elses problems, but nothing of stastical note. And before, i could continue that particular field study, my girlfriend/lover of the time lost that gig.
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    Hey neverfly, clap yer hand o'er yer old lady's mouth or pull her away from the keyboard(what are you?--pussywhipped?)
    That's over the line. Everyone, keep it civil or don't post at all. Thank you.
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    LOL, ok well I appreciate the quick move of Lynx on that not having seen the remarks myself, but its been clarified that no harm was intended and I didn't take any offense to it. Was a joke regarding the sig line I had and a previous exchange.

    No hard feelings on my side... so um... don't every body go gettin all awkward and quiet. It's creepin me out.
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    If you ever to intend to get this story published, you'll have to improve the grammar and be sure to explain to the audience that you story was intentionally written to be farcical and wildly inaccurate
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    farcical and _ inaccurate
    hmm
    farcical and accurate?
    story of a trickster god who made one side of hisself red and the other blue
    he walked down a lane between 2 farmers letting one see blue and the other red
    then he switched the colors and headed back\so each farmer saw the same god in the same color as earlier
    but one saw red and the other blue
    and god enjoyed their arguement

    delineate accuracy please
    is it not, a matter of perspective
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    farcical and _ inaccurate
    hmm
    farcical and accurate?
    story of a trickster god who made one side of hisself red and the other blue
    he walked down a lane between 2 farmers letting one see blue and the other red
    then he switched the colors and headed back\so each farmer saw the same god in the same color as earlier
    but one saw red and the other blue
    and god enjoyed their arguement

    delineate accuracy please
    is it not, a matter of perspective
    No wonder psychologists get a bad rep. Nice little unethical personal study there.....that's closer to being creepy than conducting a psych study.

    Accuracy is a matter of perspective? It depends what you are being accurate about, or not? I guess passengers in a plane would hope that each pilot has the same consideration of what is an accurate landing and what isn't....
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    Creepy
    hmm
    plane
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    A few years ago, I was flying back from Ecuador, landed in Texas, and switched to a smaller plane for the ride home. As we're boarding the plane, the flight attendant, and captain were standing at the intrance and greeting us. "Hello, how are you, welcome aboard...etc.."; so, I asked the pilot "how are you? feeling healthy?, no thoughts of suicide?"-as we shook hands----------My wife was aghast (thinking that what I had said was extreemly inappropriate). But, the pilot and attendant laughed.
    perspective matters
    (what I perceive to be humor is not universally appreciated as such)
    And, most passengers would, most likely, prefer a nonsuicidal pilot.
    .................
    as/re psych studies,(are we talking about the bar scene?) or anthropological studies, when interviewing a subject, the interviewer contaminates the study be being the interviewer. (see margaret mead) For the real deal, eavsdropping unknown will invariably yield cleaner data. Assuming the intent of the data collecting to be as building a cultural construct:
    Where does that become unethical?
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    as/re psych studies,(are we talking about the bar scene?) or anthropological studies, when interviewing a subject, the interviewer contaminates the study be being the interviewer. (see margaret mead) For the real deal, eavsdropping unknown will invariably yield cleaner data. Assuming the intent of the data collecting to be as building a cultural construct:
    Where does that become unethical?


    Are you kidding me? lmao

    You cant go around observing people and sticking them in your "study" without asking their consent or at least telling them afterwards what you have done and what will happen to the "data" you have collected about them and how do you do that to people in a bar? - do you find out where they live and then ask them? (that's going from creepy to stalking). And what sort of accurate data do you think you will get from taking a "snapshot" of what someone says or does in a bar. Are you going to make sweeping generalisations about their entire lives because of a 3 minute conversation you overheard? pfffft. And if you are going to make a study of 3 minutes of their lives then what use is that data to anything else?

    If you think you can rule out interviewer "contamination" (is bias not a better word?) in any study you are seriously mistaken - people are people whether they are scientists or not and all have their own motivations and biases. What you have to do is recognise what you have brought to the table and how it may have influenced what you are saying about your participants and let unbiased parties review your work. (I believe there is a system in place........).


    But here in UK if you want to study anybody, you have to let them know what you have done- either before or after, because if you don't , its unethical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuciDreaming View Post
    as/re psych studies,(are we talking about the bar scene?) or anthropological studies, when interviewing a subject, the interviewer contaminates the study be being the interviewer. (see margaret mead) For the real deal, eavsdropping unknown will invariably yield cleaner data. Assuming the intent of the data collecting to be as building a cultural construct:
    Where does that become unethical?


    Are you kidding me? lmao

    You cant go around observing people and sticking them in your "study" without asking their consent or at least telling them afterwards what you have done and what will happen to the "data" you have collected about them and how do you do that to people in a bar? - do you find out where they live and then ask them? (that's going from creepy to stalking). And what sort of accurate data do you think you will get from taking a "snapshot" of what someone says or does in a bar. Are you going to make sweeping generalisations about their entire lives because of a 3 minute conversation you overheard? pfffft. And if you are going to make a study of 3 minutes of their lives then what use is that data to anything else?

    If you think you can rule out interviewer "contamination" (is bias not a better word?) in any study you are seriously mistaken - people are people whether they are scientists or not and all have their own motivations and biases. What you have to do is recognise what you have brought to the table and how it may have influenced what you are saying about your participants and let unbiased parties review your work. (I believe there is a system in place........).


    But here in UK if you want to study anybody, you have to let them know what you have done- either before or after, because if you don't , its unethical.
    While I agree with sculptor that undisclosed observation will make for a more honest subject to study, Lucid is absolutely correct that observer bias is almost impossible to take out of the equation. You would have to video tape and record the entire scene and be sure to have hidden mics in the table or something making sure not to miss a single word of what was said. Then have the same video observed and described by 1000 other subjects who don't know what they are looking for in order to find any kind of consistency in perception of the observation. The process would become so complicated and involved that it makes the exercise almost useless if not impossible.

    Studies and interpretations of statistics are probably the least reliable means of scientific study out there. And sadly, since the mind exists in the human brain, it is all we are left to work with in too many situations. I am glad to see that psychology and neurology are becoming intertwined though. knowing that emotions can be seen and measured through brain imaging is a great step in the direction of accuracy in understanding what is actually happening upstairs.
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    Ethics is an unresolved philosophical dicipline all on it's own.
    I would submit that there are many ethics vilolations in every walk of life every day.
    I would further submit that the actual collection of data is rarely unethical.
    What is done with that data, however ofttimes crosses the line.

    If you search for anything on-line, you will receive targeted advertising. My latest observation: I was searching for a new heavy duty garden tractor---deer, simplicity---etc.. And, for days now when i click on websites that include ads, ads about garden tractors are prominent.
    Is that unethical?

    If you shop in some stores, your every move and certainly every purchace will be monitored. In some stores, high resolution camera have been placed to observe pupil dilation.
    If the data are used to channel shoppers through various snack food isles before they reach the most commonly bought items, or to redesign the packaging of certain items, or adjust the height of the shelves; Is that unethical?

    If you seek medical care, and a doctor promises you a certain treatment, then passes you off to a "specialist" who does something quite different:
    Is that unethical. Is it more or less unethical if the treatment cures, or has no or a negative effect?

    If a mechanic promises you a rebuilt transmission, surmises that you would never know the difference, and installes an unrebuilt transmission: Is that unethical. Is it more or less unethical if the repair works, or fails?

    I would submit that ethical-unethical has much to do with direct interpersonal interactions, and expected results; with those listed much more unethical than simple collection of data for anthrpological/psychological studies. I would further submit that declaring covert collection of data, without considering the purpose of that data collection, as unethical, is in and of itself unethical.
    ............
    That being said:
    observer bias is almost impossible to take out of the equation. You would have to video tape and record the entire scene and be sure to have hidden mics in the table or something making sure not to miss a single word of what was said. Then have the same video observed
    If I had had the infrastructure to do such a study(with permission from the bar owners---and a guarantee that they would have the right of approval before publication--(my ethical stance)): Then, I am reasonably certain that after I had written up my findings, I would be able to find a professor to schedule a seminar so that others could view and listen to the data and form their own conclusions. Then we could compare and discuss the conclusions and reasoning thereof, refining our cognitions as we progressed.
    But alas:
    All i got out of that evening's notes was a comparative study with archived tapes of heterosexual couple's counciling/therapy sessions.
    If memory serves: 'Twas a good paper, it didn't just get an A, but got an enthusiastic response and enlightening discussion.

    whither hence?
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    farcical and _ inaccurate
    hmm
    farcical and accurate?
    story of a trickster god who made one side of hisself red and the other blue
    he walked down a lane between 2 farmers letting one see blue and the other red
    then he switched the colors and headed back\so each farmer saw the same god in the same color as earlier
    but one saw red and the other blue
    and god enjoyed their arguement

    delineate accuracy please
    is it not, a matter of perspective
    No wonder psychologists get a bad rep. Nice little unethical personal study there.....that's closer to being creepy than conducting a psych study.

    Accuracy is a matter of perspective? It depends what you are being accurate about, or not? I guess passengers in a plane would hope that each pilot has the same consideration of what is an accurate landing and what isn't....
    Well as far as the passengers are concerned if all the wheels touch the ground without incident and a stair case can be attached to the plane so they can depart they probably wouldn't care. The pilot's definition may have more to do with run way accuracy and timing. While these things are important to airport departure and landing times they have little to do with actual survival.
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