Thread: Is it at all logical for Christians to use "Why does 1 + 1 = 2 ?" "There must be a God who created these laws."

I "am" a christian, i go to church, but i see myself as an aethist. im not entirely sure if i have faith, though, the only thing i still go to church is that i fear that if what it speaks are true, i'll go to hell.

well, you can see religeon uses fear to attract people,



anyway......
someone i know in church says

"Why does 1 + 1 = 2 ? There must be a God who created these laws."

what the f**k?

whats he saying, is it logical?

what do you think, guys?

1. I think you must be a very busy person. Going to church "just in case" must mean you are attending a wide variety of churches: Roman Catholic, Anglican, Eastern Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Episcopalean, Baptist, etc, plus synagogues and mosques, with Sunni and Shia persuasions. How do you find time to post?

2. 1 + 1 = 2 is a construct of humans, not of God. (Though some people say there is an underlying mathematical structure to the universe- that the mathematics came first, but they are generally mathematicians.)

3. It is not logical.

I think you may be more of an agnostic

Originally Posted by John Galt

2. 1 + 1 = 2 is a construct of humans, not of God

This is the old, "is mathematics discovered or invented" puzzle.

I suspect most mathematicians come down on the "discovered" side.

Originally Posted by ryanawe123

I "am" a christian, i go to church, but i see myself as an aethist. im not entirely sure if i have faith, though, the only thing i still go to church is that i fear that if what it speaks are true, i'll go to hell.

Then, surely, if there is a god he'll know of your hypocrisy and send you to hell anyway.

well, you can see religeon uses fear to attract people

Really?

someone i know in church says

"Why does 1 + 1 = 2 ? There must be a God who created these laws."

what the f**k?
whats he saying, is it logical?
what do you think, guys?

Logic and religion generally don't mix.
There is no logical tie between those two things: it's a failure of rational reasoning on the part of the theist, it's a non-sequitur and it's a specious, facile attempt at "proof". It's more likely to be something along the lines of "I don't understand why 1+1=2 and I don't understand god either, therefore one must be the 'proof' of the other".

In Binary 1 + 1 = 0...

wahat? binary's maths are different?

Binary is more of a language consisting of just two letters. It's like the old funny, "There are 10 kinds of people in the world; thoe who understand binary and those who don't."

1+1=2, therefore, 1+1=2. It concerns nothing else.

Well, they said math is discovered, and they say for something to be discovered, it has to be invented.

is there logic here?

No.
Who invented the source of the Amazon river?
Who invented Pluto?

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

No.
Who invented the source of the Amazon river?
Who invented Pluto?

They will have an obvious answer to that.

Originally Posted by Kerling

In Binary 1 + 1 = 0...

Not fair. Under the same conditions 9+9=8 !

Originally Posted by Strange

Originally Posted by John Galt

2. 1 + 1 = 2 is a construct of humans, not of God

This is the old, "is mathematics discovered or invented" puzzle.

I suspect most mathematicians come down on the "discovered" side.

This might be of interest: Should business be allowed to patent mathematics? - opinion - 18 March 2013 - New Scientist

Originally Posted by Strange

Originally Posted by Kerling

In Binary 1 + 1 = 0...

Not fair. Under the same conditions 9+9=8 !

So? Why not fair. I've taught my 13 year old tutor kid Egyptian counting. Egyptians didn't count by fingers on their hands, but on joints of fingers. Which means 12. A 12 based system works just as well as any other. And you can simply use any system, and nothing of arithmatics changes at all.

(incidentally, the romans inherited the egyptian sundial which was of course one to 12, hence our days have 12 hours, and not 10 )

Look up Deism.

1+1 = 2 is simply a way of counting things, we INVENTED it for some reason or other. End of story.

Well, sort of, God "created" everything, thus enabling you, when you finally arrived on the scene, to invent/learn counting all that cool stuff God created. God has no need of numbers or counting. Oh, and relax - God likes you with or without church. Nothing stands between you and God, you have direct 24/7 access. Church is a building and that's all it is.

So, be like God - compassionate, merciful, understanding and forgiving, all the rest (church) is window dressing. Oh.... and have NO fear.

Originally Posted by skater60

Oh, and relax - God likes you

If I was god, I wouldn't like me.

So, be like God - compassionate, merciful, understanding and forgiving

Oh, you mean the New Testament god. I'm really into destruction and mayhem so I want to be more like the Old Testament god.

Originally Posted by skater60

1+1 = 2 is simply a way of counting things, we INVENTED it for some reason or other. End of story.

Or we discovered it.
Ergo: not end of story.

Well, sort of, God "created" everything

Fatuous supposition.

God has no need of numbers or counting.
Oh, and relax - God likes you with or without church.
Nothing stands between you and God, you have direct 24/7 access.

As are these.

So, be like God - compassionate, merciful, understanding and forgiving

And duplicitous, murderous, egotistical....

yeah... its confusing as it goes, because 1+1=2 is an intangible discovery that is actually logical.

Originally Posted by ryanawe123

yeah... its confusing as it goes, because 1+1=2 is an intangible discovery that is actually logical.

1 + 1 = 2 isn’t intangible, surely. Because It’s observable in nature, right?

E.g. 1 apple + 1 apple = 2 apples!

Maybe, negative numbers could be considered intangible though?

1 apple - 3 apples = -2 apples in Mathematics, but in nature the answer would be 0 apples. Because you can’t physically remove 3 apples from a tree that doesn’t have any apples left!

On the other hand...

Good point with the apples. Does that mean that nothing, as in zero or less, can exists in the real world but can in the mathematical world?

and Sqrt(-1)=i?

come on.... numbers isn't tangible.

making use of them in apples?
numbers are still intangible.
BUT apples are.

Originally Posted by pineapples

Originally Posted by ryanawe123

yeah... its confusing as it goes, because 1+1=2 is an intangible discovery that is actually logical.

1 + 1 = 2 isn’t intangible, surely. Because It’s observable in nature, right? E.g. 1 apple + 1 apple = 2 apples! Maybe, negative numbers could be considered intangible though? 1 apple - 3 apples = -2 apples in Mathematics, but in nature the answer would be 0 apples. Because you can’t physically remove 3 apples from a tree that doesn’t have any apples left!

It all depends on what system fundamentalists are using nowadays, and depending on where they build their temple. (Church, synagogue, mosque, monastery etc.) the last time I checked the Papa New Guinea Chiefs count with knots. Ex. You have two separate knots in each hand, then you add them together 2+2.( tie them) As every tribesman of the educated class knows, you get five nots.

In Binary 1 + 1 = 0...

No, in binary, 1 + 1 = 10. Unless you're doing clock arithmetic.

Originally Posted by anticorncob28

In Binary 1 + 1 = 0...

No, in binary, 1 + 1 = 10. Unless you're doing clock arithmetic.

Which is why we say there are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Originally Posted by RamenNoodles

anyway......
someone i know in church says

"Why does 1 + 1 = 2 ? There must be a God who created these laws."

what the f**k?

whats he saying, is it logical?

what do you think, guys?

Yes, it is logical. Mankind created gods, so .......mankind could easily create a god to verify math.